BLM question

Hey! I got a question regarding BLM.

Let's say I am in Umbral Ice 3 and have a firestarter proc from my last Fire before I used Blizzard 3.

What would be a good way to use up that firestarter proc? Is it better to (after my MP is full), transpose to Astral Fire 1 and then use Fire 3 for more damage or should I just Fire 3 from Umbral Ice 3 without transpose?

Thanks!

You should Transpose before using fire 3 in that situation, yes.

The you'll still get astral fire 3 either way, but transposing before you fire 3 will give you a free damage bonus when you'd normally take the reduced damage.

Fire III from UI3 and AF1 has a huge difference

although you nailed the answer yourself there is exceptions to it.

for instance if you know an enemy or pack will die very shortly after but you run the risk of astral fire dissipating before you could transpose again to make sure you have full mp before next pull, you wouldn't want to use transpose in my opinion.

also certain section of boss fights have key moments that you could essentially limit yourself due to losing the ability to transpose leaving you to cast blizzard instead of just starting your rotation again.

that being said most the time transpose - firestarter is the way to go...

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Originally Posted by chidarake

for instance if you know an enemy or pack will die very shortly after but you run the risk of astral fire dissipating before you could transpose again to make sure you have full mp before next pull, you wouldn't want to use transpose in my opinion.

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Transpose > Fire 3 Proc > Fire 1 > blizzard 3. That will solve your MP worries. If you won't have time for a Blizzard 3, then replace the Fire 1 following the proc with a Blizzard 3. Won't have time? Then you'll be at max MP anyways lol
I've never had an instance in which transposing into a firestarter was a negative.

Technically you should rarely come across a situation where you have a Firestater proc in UI3 as you should learn how to Fireweave to maximize DPS on your last Fire 1. But if you do end up with a Firestarter proc in UI3 then you should definitely Transpose to AF1 before you use it.

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Originally Posted by Ossom

Technically you should rarely come across a situation where you have a Firestater proc in UI3 as you should learn how to Fireweave to maximize DPS on your last Fire 1. But if you do end up with a Firestarter proc in UI3 then you should definitely Transpose to AF1 before you use it.

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How is that even good? What are you even weaving at the last fire? Can't be anything that does damage, or you're just playing BLM wrong.... So in the end, you're just waiting for a potential Firestarter proc, which will lower your DPS.

Don't listen to this OP

EDIT: Weaving Raging Strikes and Quelling Strikes is another thing, but you'll use that at the start of the fire rotation... just using a useless spell after the last fire won't increase your DPS

Craiger... chill.

Using an Off GCD ability on your last fire spell forces the game to register if you have a firestarter proc immediately. Don't insult others if you don't know what they are talking about.

Fire 3 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Lethargy as Fire 1 is finishing, clipping the cast time > Tap Fire 3 > You use a Firestarter the instant the Fire 1 is cast.

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Craiger... chill.

Using an Off GCD ability on your last fire spell forces the game to register if you have a firestarter proc immediately. Don't insult others if you don't know what they are talking about.

Fire 3 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Fire 1 > Lethargy as Fire 1 is finishing, clipping the cast time > Tap Fire 3 > You use a Firestarter the instant the Fire 1 is cast.

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Okay, didn't know about forcing firstarter proc by doing that... I always look at the flying text coming up about fire procs, and that comes up faster then it shows on the ability button for me at least. Thought it would be the exact same just to wait for the fire proc rather than use lethargy. Sorry.

You do lose some time if it doesn't proc, so how much more DPS are we talking about if this increases DPS?

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Okay, didn't know about forcing firstarter proc by doing that... I always look at the flying text coming up about fire procs, and that comes up faster then it shows on the ability button for me at least. Thought it would be the exact same just to wait for the fire proc rather than use lethargy. Sorry.

You do lose some time if it doesn't proc, so how much more DPS are we talking about if this increases DPS?

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I'm not too positive–I know that hte BLM thread has talk on it. It's only a 40% chance of being a DPS+, and if it doesn't proc, then it is a DPS loss...
I ALWAYS fireweave the final fire from the opening rotation, and then about halfway through the raging cooldown/

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If I understand correctly, constant fireweaving is an RNG game where you tend to lose a slight amount of DPS in the long run, but fireweaving ONLY that last F1 in your AF rotation is a slight gain if done correctly.

Also, it's a beautiful thing when you're ending your rotation with SC->Flare->Convert and you gain Firestarter as you fireweave that last F1 with SC :P

Don't scrutinize my post if you don't even know what fireweaving is as that was the main topic of my post. Telling the OP not to listen to me is pretty rude also. OP always fireweave the last Fire in your AF3 rotation if you can. I personally use Surecast and Lethargy to fireweave. Doing this you won't ever need to transpose, and if you do get a fire 3. You lose the same time transposing as you would have done fire weaving. But you gain less DPS from a Fire 3 AF1 than a Fire 3 AF3.

Any decent BLM guide will tell you to fireweave. You don't fireweave every single fire, but fireweaving the last fire brings you into a situation where you get a Fire 3 in AF3 instead of in UI3 or AF1.