What is going to happen to current +1/2/3 items come 1.20?

I think this question is on just about everyone's minds. Yoshi stated that these items will remain through 1.19 as they are. But what about when 1.20 arrives and we get the new HQ and NQ system.

Are +2 and +3 items going to be scaled down to the current +1 stats and all become HQ? Are NQ and +1 going to become NQ and +2 and +3 going to become HQ? Could we please get a dev response confirmation on this so all of us players know what to do with our current items? It's quite stressful to have no idea what is going to happen.


Thank you~
Roegadyn

***Lights the Bayohne Signal***

It's Saturday, Bay is probably playing WoW or at PAX or something

Yeah I know, but I was hoping we could get a discussion going so he can see how everyone feels about it when he gets back.

Wasn't this answered?

+1 > NQ

+3 > HQ

They are checking the number of +2s in circulation and will decide which way those go based on that.

I'd personally rather just see all the old +1/+2/+3 remain in the game as is. The new HQ gear could be equivalent stat-wise to +3 gear, just renamed HQ instead of +3 (simpler because there isn't and +1 or +2 gear being created any longer to give meaning to the appellation "+3").

Just like when the combat drops were changed to only NQ and +3, there wasn't any retroactive editting of existing items already in players' inventories.

If the old gear remains in the game, then no one gains anything undeservedly, and no one loses anything undeservedly. Over time the plussed gear will trickle its way out of the system, either via conversion to materia, or loss by attempting to socket 2 or more materia. There might be a few pieces that hang around as "collector's items", that old fogeys can haul out to show the "kids". :D

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Wasn't this answered?

+1 > NQ

+3 > HQ

They are checking the number of +2s in circulation and will decide which way those go based on that.

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I have seen a lot of people speculating on this, but haven't seen any actual words from developers. If you can find a quote, please link it, as a lot of people want to know! :)

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Originally Posted by Amineri

I have seen a lot of people speculating on this, but haven't seen any actual words from developers. If you can find a quote, please link it, as a lot of people want to know! :)

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Looking for it now. I believe it was a response on the JP forums.

I'll edit this with the quote when I find it.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Looking for it now. I believe it was a response on the JP forums.

I'll edit this with the quote when I find it.

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I heard there was a JP post as well, but Rein hasn't translated it yet and I can't read JP to find it.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Looking for it now. I believe it was a response on the JP forums.

I'll edit this with the quote when I find it.

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I'm guessing you never found it?

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

I'm guessing you never found it?

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Yea I'm 100% sure I read it and it was commented on too. I just can't seem to find it since there's about 324696595965 threads discussing crafting changes >_>.

The statement was from Yoshi-P himself.

Is it one of the ones Rein or Bay translated? I read all those and don't remember seeing anything concrete. Yoshi said they will remain as are through 1.19. I never seen him say what will happen to them at 1.20 though.

NoctisUmbra is completely correct. As it stands, +1 items are to become NQ, +3 to become HQ, and +2 are still up in the air, depending on how many are currently in circulation. But again, as some of you have already said, none of this is concrete yet, so choose your wording carefully when explaining this to other players. Else we might see more threads like this one pop up, haha.

Bayohne translated the first post, which mentioned that the current tiered HQ items would be gotten rid of in favor of NQ and HQ only, and that post can be found here.

Reinheart translated all 9 parts, the ones concerning the HQ change being:

• #1 (the same one Bayohne translated)
• #4 (the important one, which I copied below)
• #7 (which just gives the timeframe of "1.20 and after," which had already been stated)

Here's #4, since it directly answers your original question, Arximiro:

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

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Originally Posted by kurodanna

そのような現在も存在している素材の+3はHQ素材として扱われるのか、それともNQになるのか。ここら辺が気になります。
以前モンスタードロップの品質が+3かNQかの2つになったのと同じように、+3と+2がHQ、+1はNQに統合されるイメージでしょうか？
With current materials that already exists would the +3 be considered HQ or will it be NQ? Wondering about this part. Like before the monster dropped materials being NQ or +3 will this be applied to current +3, +2 becoming HQ and +1 being NQ?

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はい、基本は予想頂いてる通り、できるだけ統合という方針ですが、どのラインで（+3と+2をHQ、それ以外をNQなど）統合するかは、
アイテム流通量をログから調査して判断しようと考えてます^^
Yes, that basics are just like you imagined, the goal is to combine as much as possible but at which line (+3 and +2 being HQ others being NQ) will have to be decided by adjusted by looking at the item circulation rate from logs.

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I would like the +1,+2,+3's to stay the same for finished items. Only materials should be either NQ or HQ imo.

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Originally Posted by Chrees

NoctisUmbra is completely correct. As it stands, +1 items are to become NQ, +3 to become HQ, and +2 are still up in the air, depending on how many are currently in circulation. But again, as some of you have already said, none of this is concrete yet, so choose your wording carefully when explaining this to other players. Else we might see more threads like this one pop up, haha.

Bayohne translated the first post, which mentioned that the current tiered HQ items would be gotten rid of in favor of NQ and HQ only, and that post can be found here.

Reinheart translated all 9 parts, the ones concerning the HQ change being:

• #1 (the same one Bayohne translated)
• #4 (the important one, which I copied below)
• #7 (which just gives the timeframe of "1.20 and after," which had already been stated)

Here's #4, since it directly answers your original question, Arximiro:

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The quote clearly leans more towards +2s being HQ.

I would much rather just have normal and high quality versions of items/gear. +1,+2,+3 just sounds excessive and doesn't look, sound or feel too elegant to be honest. Keep it simple, nice and meaningful.

Thanks for the reply. I assume he isn't referring just to materials, but it's hard to know for sure. Either way I'm selling my +1's now because Gil will be Gil no matter what they change.

I just thought I'd toss it out there that originally when HQ drop items were condensed it went like this:

NQ > NQ
+1 > NQ
+2 > +3
+3 > +3

I think it wouldn't be too far fetched to assume they would do a similar combination here (If they are in fact set on combining the item grades). I just worry about people who have put out any kind of highway robbery for a HQ item if they are going to get screwed by this. Seems kind of unfair to both the +1 and +3 people.

Say an item's cost went like this: NQ:15k, +1:200k, +2:1mil, +3:10mil. Now all of the people who bought +1s just lost 185k (honestly in the grand scheme of things this probably isn't that much of a loss), but the people who bought +3s are suddenly joined by a bunch of people who got extremely discounted +3. Doesn't really seem fair for someone to have dropped so much money on a +3 to be one of the few people with a +3 to be stripped of that by everyone else who didn't drop so much money and settled for a +2 instead.

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Originally Posted by Razor

I just thought I'd toss it out there that originally when HQ drop items were condensed it went like this:

NQ > NQ
+1 > NQ
+2 > +3
+3 > +3

I think it wouldn't be too far fetched to assume they would do a similar combination here (If they are in fact set on combining the item grades). I just worry about people who have put out any kind of highway robbery for a HQ item if they are going to get screwed by this. Seems kind of unfair to both the +1 and +3 people.

Say an item's cost went like this: NQ:15k, +1:200k, +2:1mil, +3:10mil. Now all of the people who bought +1s just lost 185k (honestly in the grand scheme of things this probably isn't that much of a loss), but the people who bought +3s are suddenly joined by a bunch of people who got extremely discounted +3. Doesn't really seem fair for someone to have dropped so much money on a +3 to be one of the few people with a +3 to be stripped of that by everyone else who didn't drop so much money and settled for a +2 instead.

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None of it seems very fair thats why they shouldnt change it but thats not gonna happen so reguardless of what they do now atleast 2 groups of item holders are gonna suffer.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

The quote clearly leans more towards +2s being HQ.

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Well, as it stands, yes. The current thinking is to have the +2 items become HQ. But he also said they'll be reviewing the logs to see how many +2 items are in circulation. I'd imagine if there are too many of a certain item, they'll downgrade them to NQ to keep the HQ items rare. I'm hoping they do this on a case-by-case basis, seeing as how the amount of +2s can wildly fluctuate between different items.

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Originally Posted by Arximiro

Thanks for the reply. I assume he isn't referring just to materials, but it's hard to know for sure. Either way I'm selling my +1's now because Gil will be Gil no matter what they change.

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Considering the example they gave of the cobalt armor, as well as the wording of his posts, the changes will be for all items.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

None of it seems very fair thats why they shouldnt change it but thats not gonna happen so reguardless of what they do now atleast 2 groups of item holders are gonna suffer.

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I agree, it's not very fair at all. But we agreed to let them make radical changes, and with a change like this that I believe will be a good decision in the long run, we have to suffer the consequences. Considering there are probably less than 20,000 active players, this is a fairly small price to pay in the grand scheme of things for the game.

This should help server load alot and shift more focus to getting the hq items than before. A good decision for the games future imo

Hmmm. so guessing any +1 gear I have will become NQ?
Damn, and I paid 2 mil for my +1 vintage haub >_<
Looks like I'll be selling it quickly. It's only worth about 400k now in anyway =/

His point is to reduce inventory slot, so I don't see any profit from changing +1 +2 +3 from actual gear (when 1 item = 1 slot regardless), just materials being NQ,HQ is enough.

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Originally Posted by Chrees

Well, as it stands, yes. The current thinking is to have the +2 items become HQ. But he also said they'll be reviewing the logs to see how many +2 items are in circulation. I'd imagine if there are too many of a certain item, they'll downgrade them to NQ to keep the HQ items rare. I'm hoping they do this on a case-by-case basis, seeing as how the amount of +2s can wildly fluctuate between different items.



Considering the example they gave of the cobalt armor, as well as the wording of his posts, the changes will be for all items.



I agree, it's not very fair at all. But we agreed to let them make radical changes, and with a change like this that I believe will be a good decision in the long run, we have to suffer the consequences. Considering there are probably less than 20,000 active players, this is a fairly small price to pay in the grand scheme of things for the game.

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Agreed. And as much as it might seem a bit unfair, at least they're giving us a good deal of time to react to this system change. Whether that be selling your +1 items to replace with +3's/NQ, or hoarding away all HQ mats for new system.

We knew changes were bound to come, lets be thankful we have been informed now rather than the week of the update.

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Originally Posted by Alise

His point is to reduce inventory slot, so I don't see any profit from changing +1 +2 +3 from actual gear (when 1 item = 1 slot regardless), just materials being NQ,HQ is enough.

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They're optimizing this game for ps3 as well currently. By taking out HQ +1/2 they're reducing 2 spaces on every item that is possible to HQ. When you consider how much gear/weapon/materials are in the game currently, this quickly reduces the absurd amount of items obtainable. It's very similar how they're condensing synthesis and dyeing process.