How to progress in t9 this late in the expac without paying for it?

I am a returning player and i am trying to progress through whatever i can in the endgame before the expac,and despite having now experience in all of t9's phases i am hitting a roadblock.Party finder groups are either composed of people who cannot even get past phase 2 and wipe on it for days,or people that ragequit at the slightest mistake in phase 4.There arent any statics that actually progress through t9 to join-posts in both the official forums,reddit's recruitment forum and using the ingame chat yielded nothing.The FC i am in which has a t10+ static tried to help me,but most refused to focus,overaggroing/fusing golems although they have all killed the encounter and eventually dropped a "we'll do this another time k?"which never came.

So how does one progress through t9 which is obsolete enough to get people to do it(except FARM RUN LINK 10X ACHI OR GTFO) but hard enough so that unorganized groups will just get splattered short of shelling 3m gil to the run sellers?

I truly do sympathize with you, dystopiac, and I wish I had a solid answer. Sad as I am to say it, T9 has been mentioned by Yoshi-P as being slated for a possible nerf in the Bahamut's Favor phase (this was less a confirmation and more him just musing about it), and with most of the mainstay raiders past it, the experience pool is getting quite shallow.

The only advice I can give is don't give up. Keep trying. It took me months to clear T5, and this was nearly trying everyday, joining PF groups, DF groups, and ultimately even training up the party I actually cleared it with. Then even LONGER than that for 7-9 (work and life not really doing much to help me at the time). But keep trying. Don't give up, and don't pay for it. There will be no meaning in a paid victory. You put the work in, now see it through. If I could join you personally, I'd be more than happy to.

I don't believe in luck, so I'll instead say give it all you've got. Then more.

Believe me there are a lot of people who would join a static at the t9 stage. Make PFs to advertise. Meet players in t9 PF groups who share similar interests. Make connections. Forming a static takes blood sweat and tears, it isn't easy and I hope you are up for that challenge and wish u luck xD. There ARE people out there, you just have to find them.

Also like to mention I got my t9 kill in a pf group. OHHH boy the stars had to align for that but it happened. On Odin...of all the dead servers...

I don't mean to go off topic, but Odin is a dead server?

I ask because someone I know was talking about transfering there.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

I don't mean to go off topic, but Odin is a dead server?

I ask because someone I know was talking about transfering there.

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Not dead sorry xD I spent a small time ina legacy server ( sargatanas, oh boy what a mess of a place ) and in contrast to that anthill, odin is dead.

It's not dead it's in fact quite nice and cosy ^^

I feel for everyone in your situation as part of my daily log on routine....I join 3 DF T5s and if it doesnt say 100 Sol I leave asap I tend to do a bit more T9s just because of sheer love for itt....I can tell you its rough but I tend to carry quite a few parties (I'm either tanking or healing) ehh but the best I can say is latch on to those T10 statics that need weapons for like one person in the raid and they do a T9 farm or something....I've seen like 1 or 2 in the past week but I can surely bet that finding a T9 party will be dead.....They need to add a Nael and Twin TT card so that people may go back and farm them thus helping other players with content

With the current upgrades to gear, I see a lot of T9 parties on PF. Try getting to know people, join a raiding FC, raiding linkshell or a static. Run practice runs on PF for practice and try to get good people together. I got a whole lot of new frands and contacts way back when I did T9; something which hadn't been necessary before that.

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Originally Posted by dystopiac

The FC i am in which has a t10+ static tried to help me,but most refused to focus,overaggroing/fusing golems although they have all killed the encounter and eventually dropped a "we'll do this another time k?"which never came.

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Get a better FC where people actually help you when you take initiative.

In our FC we're currently in the process of organising regular events for all members who need this turn (and are willing to study it and capable of beating it). We try to make these as static-like as possible, usually running one weekly event with the same setup so that the group can progress. Our first learning group won like this in 3 events (5,5 hours total) with 5 first wins and 3 helpers. I definitely recommend forming a learning static for this turn, and finding a FC that supports this kind of progression. In my opinion, it's detrimental for the whole FC when people get left behind like that.

Thing is-why should i not pay the 3 million and just be done with it?Then i won't have the magical "100 sold tag of shame"over my head each time i go in the dungeon and be able to join actual groups of skilled people that farm the content and proving my worth there-if i botch they're free to kick me.Why should i shackle myself on trying to be a leader(when i'm a bad one)where i can just cough the money up and try to be the best grunt i can and just learn the tactic and follow orders?

Hmmm not only Fc also make friends, make friends, make friends. DF it (got to P4 after multi kill xp with a random group... if one monk and the whm wouldnt have been clue less and had asked for advice >.<).
Announce yourself as possible static member (be willing to start with a group in P2 maybe?). Get raid linkshells.

I personally am the type to join trainings groups... but gotta agree last "training p4" people actually had no clue on early phases I rofld a little when they placed meteors on each other and stood under the second heavensfall or even got pushed in wall at the first.... If a lot of people do faults its not worth advicing... they'd end up calling me flamer.

As others mentioned... find people that are actually "willing" to help if they are a little less xp than you have the kill or are at same spot wont matter as long as you all get the team going :D

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Originally Posted by dystopiac

Thing is-why should i not pay the 3 million and just be done with it?Then i won't have the magical "100 sold tag of shame"over my head each time i go in the dungeon and be able to join actual groups of skilled people that farm the content and proving my worth there-if i botch they're free to kick me.Why should i shackle myself on trying to be a leader(when i'm a bad one)where i can just cough the money up and try to be the best grunt i can and just learn the tactic and follow orders?

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Cheap on your server lol...
I say pride, the pride to have gotten a firsttime kill with others.
You must know my first kill was with 6 kill xp ppl it was wow. Then I killed with static. You see those 7 messages for achievement pop its WOW REALLY GREAT I LOVE YOU GUYS
But thats different points of view. Do what you feel comfy with.

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Originally Posted by dystopiac

Thing is-why should i not pay the 3 million and just be done with it?

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I have personally never understood anyone who would want to get their win by paying instead of actually beating the fight. As Coil leader I would also never accept a person who has bought their win as a member (and I know this from all our members having gained their wins in our events). You can say the challenge is not being able to perform your role but finding 7 others who are able to perform theirs as well. However, if you're not capable of finding or gathering a capable group and keeping it together long enough to beat this fight, it's not likely you'll have better success in any future content either. There are a lot of players who are still missing this win and are motivated to do it.

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Originally Posted by Taika

I have personally never understood anyone who would want to get their win by paying instead of actually beating the fight. As Coil leader I would also never accept a person who has bought their win as a member (and I know this from all our members having gained their wins in our events). You can say the challenge is not being able to perform your role but finding 7 others who are able to perform theirs as well. However, if you're not capable of finding or gathering a capable group and keeping it together long enough to beat this fight, it's not likely you'll have better success in any future content either. There are a lot of players who are still missing this win and are motivated to do it.

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So basically you're saying that you would only accept people that have formed and lead raids in your own raid,and that if i am not capable to lead a raid i am not capable to perform the role of a member as well.That's a bit elitist,no?

Erm I suggest you re-read Taika's post, that isn't what he said at all?
He said he wouldn't accept anyone in his static that only had the clear from buying it, nothing about they had to be a raid leader?

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

Erm I suggest you re-read Taika's post, that isn't what he said at all?
He said he wouldn't accept anyone in his static that only had the clear from buying it, nothing about they had to be a raid leader?

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Ok then!As i have said before i have posted a request in my own realm forum looking for a static,in Reddit's recruitment forum looking for a static,and occasionally ask around in the PF and Mor Dhona stat for a static.8 days of searching have yielded NOT A SINGLE RESPONSE.Tell me then how to find a group of like minded people and progress through that fight without becoming a leader and setting up my own static then.I'm waiting.

Regardless of how one feels about paying for a clear, it seems like a waste of gil unless you actually have plans to do FCOB after. I imagine that a lot of people who feel unable to clear T9 with their own parties pay to get it out of the way and then find themselves stuck on T10 due to the same issue (no static party).

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Originally Posted by dystopiac

Ok then!As i have said before i have posted a request in my own realm forum looking for a static,in Reddit's recruitment forum looking for a static,and occasionally ask around in the PF and Mor Dhona stat for a static.8 days of searching have yielded NOT A SINGLE RESPONSE.Tell me then how to find a group of like minded people and progress through that fight without becoming a leader and setting up my own static then.I'm waiting.

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It does seem a tricky situation. If you haven't yet, I would suggest you look more into the FCs on your server (it's supposed to be the biggest EU server isn't it, surely there are many kinds of FCs available?) and maybe even widen your search into other servers. If you are interested in raiding, it's best to find a community that supports that.

Actually you're right, I very much doubt you will find a static. Buy your clear

Turn 9 is about the level where playing with randoms makes it very hard to progress. The mechanics are a bit tighter than others, and it requires alot of coordination.

You don't NEED a static, but at the very least you need people from your server that you know are at a specific level to progress and carry others.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Turn 9 is about the level where playing with randoms makes it very hard to progress. The mechanics are a bit tighter than others, and it requires alot of coordination.

You don't NEED a static, but at the very least you need people from your server that you know are at a specific level to progress and carry others.

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Finding people who will manage the Fire and Thunder correctly seems like the biggest hurdle for those needing to clear who lack their own static group. It's probably the easiest mechanic to wipe your entire party with short of dropping meteors incorrectly in the first two phases.

Oh, and Divebomb placement. Almost forgot about that one lol.

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Originally Posted by dystopiac

Thing is-why should i not pay the 3 million and just be done with it?Then i won't have the magical "100 sold tag of shame"over my head each time i go in the dungeon and be able to join actual groups of skilled people that farm the content and proving my worth there.

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Why would you? What's the point of progressing if you're just going to get carried? It's an MMO, is the destination really more important than the journey?

I don't understand people who buy their way out of raid content. I mean...it's not like you're buying your way into easier territory, you're going to run into the exact same issue with no circle of players to help you tackle the new content.

The core reason to not buy a T9 clear is that if you're going to go into T10 you're going to want the experience and lessons T9 taught you. While the difficulties are different, learning to do your job while simultaneously doing all these other things is going to be absolutely essential going into T10+.

A T9 clear is not going to come immediately, or easily. It took me about a month of jumping into PF groups to learn and reach the skill point to start seeing the exit - and another month to find a group that could actually follow through and didn't immediately disperse because someone decided to make this group right before their static met up or some other nonsense.

You don't have to become a raid leader, but you may have to start taking the initiative to build these parties on your own. If you're not going to take the initiative yourself, then your speed is going to be at the behest of others, and there's no magic solution for that.

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This x100. To progress, you have to make effort. Effort to practice, effort to make new contacts, effort to beat the damn thing. I joined countless of practice parties and eventually made a lot of friends while doing so. I got a few LSs just by doing T9 before my first clear. The clear wasn\\'t effortless or easy. I had a ton of bad parties, but in the end it turned out fine.

Some people just seem to want it easy. They go into a couple of PFs and deduce "zomgs dis so hard y only bads q dis nao" and quit there, implying it can\\'t be done. I still see a lot of parties for T9 and know a lot of ppl want to do it. It\\'s all about the effort of learning the fight yourself and finding other people willing to see the same effort. All of these threads about T5 or T9 alwaya fall down to the same category; not willing to handle one or both of these points.

If nothing else, find yourself one of those many FCs promising to help with clears. I helped my FC clear T9. Took us 4 runs with mostly a new party, so they had it very easy in that regard...

ps. Phone, double post, no way to edit posts. Square y u do this.

Well i paid for my t9 clear on Friday noon.By Friday evening i found some people that invited me in their t9 farm LS after showing them that i don't fail in t9 from a PF party(they sure as hell wouldnt even give me a chance if i had the 100 sold tag) and now i have more than 50 clears under my belt.So basically i had to PAY in order to get the 100 sold tag off of me just to be given a chance to join a community that does the content.I double dare you now to find an argument against what i did.

You did not have to pay. Your aim was to get into a FARM GROUP. No farm group wants to take a shot on someone unproven. Many others before you who cleared before Christmas 2014 had to gather their own people and grind out T9 until they cleared. They made friends. They worked hard on finding people who were making progress in T9. What you wanted was a -shortcut-. You got it. Yay.

NOW is the time to be clearing T9. At least on our server, T9 is where T5 was back in Oct-Nov. PF is always up with clear parties. A perfect opportunity to make contacts and build a strong foundation (if not a proper static) to finally clear it.

Regardless,i am contributing and being a stable member of that group.I am EARNING the right to be in the group by failing once every 5 hours,and this fail because of being tired of nonstop farming.I could NOT earn that chance to prove myself if i hadnt paid.Oh yes,i could run the content with PF mouthbreather groups for a month and get a kill when the stars align.Please enlighten me on how this would make me a better raider or person.

You bought a clear and you're calling PF groups "mouthbreathers"? Nice.
Whether you like it or not, there will always be a stigma attached to clearing content in this way. It's because (as someone said previously) it's more about the journey than the destination.

And the biggest part of the journey for endgame content is a making the contacts and friends necessary to finally do it together.
I beat T9 with six others also getting a first-time clear. Flawless run and it was awesome. I wouldn't trade being able to experience that simultaneously with others for the world.

Who wants seven other individuals "meh" because they didn't get their farm loot, while you're the only one jumping up and down?

I think you forgot the part where i am an active member of a group that farms this content for HOURS each day,and i would be swiftly kicked from there if i would not be up to par.Explain me how the"journey"of sticking with random groups thinking that P2 meteors is a tetris game until the stars align and i get a kill would help me become a better raider than just buying the clear and then being given a chance in a no-nonsense group where failure means kick,proving myself,then sticking with them.

If got what you wanted and are satisfied, that's what matters.

At this point I'd try to get your new farm friends to do FCOB with you. T9 is a fun fight, but I can't see the point of farming it except maybe for glamours since the rewards are obsolete from a gameplay perspective.

Trust me... I'm in no way questioning your skills. I have no doubt you're top-tier. Just think you may have cheated yourself a bit out of what is probably the most enjoyable part of playing this game as much as we do.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

No farm group wants to take a shot on someone unproven.

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Actually, some farm groups will if you talk to them and ask if it's all right to join. My farm group allowed someone who hadn't cleared to come with us since he said he'd seen everything up through divebombs and just needed a group who would not mess up in the final phase. We took the chance and brought him with us... and he played flawlessly. We got him his clear and then we all went on to farm it a few more times.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Actually, some farm groups will if you talk to them and ask if it's all right to join. My farm group allowed someone who hadn't cleared to come with us since he said he'd seen everything up through divebombs and just needed a group who would not mess up in the final phase. We took the chance and brought him with us... and he played flawlessly. We got him his clear and then we all went on to farm it a few more times.

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Yep, no harm in asking. While one can't always expect a yes with T9 because of how long it takes to get back to Phase 4 if someone messes up, the amount of people whom have T9 cleared isn't very large so if a party leader is sitting around for awhile they are likely to give a chance just to get something going. Of course even the best farm parties have a simple mess-up every now and then because of possible RNG.

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

Some people just seem to want it easy. They go into a couple of PFs and deduce "zomgs dis so hard y only bads q dis nao" and quit there, implying it can\\'t be done. I still see a lot of parties for T9 and know a lot of ppl want to do it. It\\'s all about the effort of learning the fight yourself and finding other people willing to see the same effort. All of these threads about T5 or T9 alwaya fall down to the same category; not willing to handle one or both of these points.

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Part of the problem is none of the Main Scenario or Crystal Tower fights had such a steep learning curve or abundance of instant death mechanics. And unlike Extreme primals where there's some advance warning, the game doesn't really give anyone reason to think Coil would be harder until they slam into a brick wall at T5/T9.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Part of the problem is none of the Main Scenario or Crystal Tower fights had such a steep learning curve or abundance of instant death mechanics. And unlike Extreme primals where there's some advance warning, the game doesn't really give anyone reason to think Coil would be harder until they slam into a brick wall at T5/T9.

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TRUTH ABOVE! RANT INCOMING!
The game is too easy in comparison to the end game content ( NOTE THIS IS MY OPINION NO HATE PLEASE!)

My opinion: Calling the coils a "challenge" and justifiying it to suit elitist needs is wrong, they ARE broken to the point where you can BARELY duty finder, its a shame to have something so good then slam into an inconvenience like coils, challenge is good TO AN EXTENT until it becomes unethical and downright CHEAP.

Insta kills no matter what was always cheap, not having a chance to escape death in a VIDEO GAME is pretty poor choice of design other FF's never had this problem to this extent.

The mechanics are too precise and the A.I. is fundamentally HARD, saying it isn't hard isn't giving the AI any credit and quite frankly its wrong, not only that but trying to find 8 people to do so is out of a lot of peoples leagues including my own just because I like playing alone.

The Coils much to peoples disagreement is a stain on this game, locking people out because of poor communication and teamwork that doesn't exist in DF and only works some of the time in PF........ just no.

The Coils themselves have armor that is arguably the best in the game and people want to rush to get it and for good reason too, which leads to massive hate and aggressive behavior.

The Coils also need a Nerf they ARE too strong and people need to realize that.

The Coils have lock on higher turns and for one reason.......... you guessed it, because teamwork failure. "OHH NO NOT SKILLZ!!!!! THE SKILLZ TOO MUCH FOR HIGH LEVELZ PLZ STAY DOWN HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE SUCK AND YOU DONT HUR DUR" pretty much in a nutshell.

The Coils have essential story elements from before the game..... why lock that from the populace? "Because challenge hur dur"...........................-__-

The Coils need to be dumbed down and certain bosses not have certain skills that they have, its too much.