I don't know why this was implemented (I hope it was overlooked and not chosen), but it's a TERRIBLE idea to give DNF chocobos exp at all, especially the same as 8th place. There are a TON of people already exploiting this; queue up, go afk, win big. Not a good thing. Please remove the exp/mgp for DNF chocobos (or at the very least, significantly hamper it).
Chocobo DNF Exp - HORRIBLE Idea
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03-04-2015, 08:05 AMSophiaParatusChocobo DNF Exp - HORRIBLE Idea
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03-04-2015, 08:29 AMShadray
Not all that sure why people are exploiting this. I mean you nees to be there to accept the race... The most you get afk is like 2-3 mins. Hardly enough time to make a coffee... Or am I missing something?
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03-04-2015, 08:42 AMSophiaParatus
Once you hit accept, you can just leave your computer entirely for 5 minutes until the race is over and get the same exp as someone that's actually sitting there trying to earn their keep.
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03-04-2015, 08:46 AMWelsper59
I really wouldn't call it winning "big" given how small the reward in general is. It's essentially twice as long as someone that actually tries (maybe even just holds down the accelerate button/key). Still a good amount though for being something you can easily abuse. Unless you bot, in which case, it can do way more than just accept a race. Unless it becomes a thing, it's not TOO big of a deal. Even if one or two players are AFK, you still win in the end. You don't have to deal with NPCs or other players that could potentially outperform you. And truth be told, they're most likely not going to be doing it at the higher tier brackets, which is generally where truly competitive play is expected.
Yeah, it sucks to see people abusing a fun system, similar to how some have apparently abused their TT Tournament points, but it's inevitably going to happen. Unlike the Tournament though, AFK players in racing are more of a benefit to your win than they are to your loss. I guess that's a bright side to it... a disgustingly corrupt bright side lol. Still, if it gets out of hand, expect nerfs to happen. At the same time, if a nerf happens, expect it to impact your win rewards (positively or negatively is up for discussion).
It's really just one of those things that one can do with little to no effort involved, while still making progress. Accept a race, then come back whenver you want. Doesn't really matter if you don't show up immediately after it ends, since it'd be no different than you being AFK like normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadray
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03-04-2015, 09:00 AMmbncd
I get that you're talking about AFK play but what does "DNF" stand for? I've been seeing this around this forum a lot and I don't have a clue what it means ._.
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03-04-2015, 09:04 AMNatsunoDid Not Finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbncd
As in, did not cross the line within 30 seconds of 1st place. -
03-04-2015, 09:12 AMAeyisI'm browsing the forums right now, while also chain producing HQ materials with a macro. It's a low level material, so I need to activate a new one every 30 seconds orso. However, with windows resized all it requires is a few clicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadray
I hear a lot of people do this while watching entire movies.
I imagine the same can do done with chocobo racing, but with less effort (only need a few quite clicks each 2-3 minutes.
So basically: Watch movie, earn 40-50 ranks for your chocobo while watching, is the reason why they are using the exploit.
I would disagree with that. It's winning big because you don't really need to even be playing the game, and you still get tons of experience (over time). Kind of like botting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
I'm not really sure what my own opinion on this exploit is tho. Being a crafter who massproduces a lot I can understand why people afk race. On the other hand I can also understand those penalized by having to wait 30 seconds longer for their next match. That would be a 25% increase in time it takes them to rank up. -
03-04-2015, 09:14 AMmbncdThank you ^_^ Closest I could guess was Do No Function, as in a strange way to say AFK play or botting, but the real answer was so much better XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Natsuno
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03-04-2015, 09:16 AMWelsper59I lol'd. Speaking of "lol", your mistake on that reminds me of what I thought "lol" meant when I first encountered it on the interwebz over 17 years ago. "Lots of laughs".Quote:
Originally Posted by mbncd
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03-04-2015, 09:17 AMAeyisThat defination of lol is technically not incorrect. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
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03-04-2015, 09:33 AMWelsper59Well I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not like I'm saying you're not coming out ahead for abusing the system like that. It's just that it doesn't seem to be too detrimental for now, since it doesn't affect your personal progress (other than having to wait for the DNF to kick in and the intro scenes most likely), and indirectly helps your finish place sometimes. If people start to bot, then that's something to be reported for sure (3rd party program, afterall). Or if it gets out of hand, then from a developers standpoint, something definitely needs to be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeyis
This isn't exactly the same case as it was in WoW with Alterac Valley PvP, where AFKers for a 40v40 match were 36 AFK vs 35 AFK or so. THAT was bad and hindered your progress since matches could take forever or were impossible to finish (meaning little to no rewards for legit players). Speaking from having experienced that (and pretty much had no choice but to join them to keep my sanity going), I really am indifferent on this one. Again, at least unless it gets out of hand. If it turns out you should report this behavior, then GREAT... I encourage everyone to do so, as I probably will too if can figure out who it is with no names available other than the bird LOL. Otherwise, I'm just neutral on it.
Same with the crafting. Seriously, if it weren't for the macros, I'd go batshit crazy making 1-star HQ mats. I see them as separate things though, due to one being a personal act that literally affects no one but you. One could argue economic benefit, but that's the end result that may go on the market board. Then again, it may just go on the retainer. It may get turned into a different item/equip. Whereas AFK in the races, the act itself already interacts with others play (be it rewarding positively for them or otherwise). -
03-04-2015, 10:17 AMKaiser-Ace
Well, I do believe it costs 50 MGP to race at all, and it takes getting at least 6th place to get that 50 back. So I don't see how they are accomplishing any thing.
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03-04-2015, 10:19 AMMilesSaintboroguh
What? It costs only 10 points to sign up for a race. Where did you get 50 from?
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03-04-2015, 07:55 PMKaiser-AceHeck I didn't remember. I ran like.... 5 races before I got bored of Gold Saucer Entirely. Turns out I despise Triple Triad in FF14 just as much as I did in FF8 and Choco Racing is just as tedious and un rewarding as it was in FF10. Not even sure if I'll make 8000 MGP by the time my sub Expires on the 18th.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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03-04-2015, 08:03 PMKuwagamibotting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadray
Chocobo race is easy as heck to bot if you want to, and people use it to farm MGPs while they're at work/sleeping/doing something else.
40 points every 5 mins you're not playing, that's 480 points per hour, which is nice enough in the "must get <insert shiny long term MGP reward here>" race for people to start abusing it.
Just like people bought their way to the TT tournament in order to get the lightning card.
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03-05-2015, 06:15 PMFeron
Why do you care?
I have seen people complaining about this, but as of yet, none of them have offered any kind of rational argument about how this hurts them or impacts their progress negatively. -
03-05-2015, 07:06 PMKrrBecause game design that encourages non-interaction as the most rational way to earn a reward is unsustainable game design that will slowly kill the content except for anyone but bots?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feron
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03-05-2015, 10:46 PMMilesSaintboroguh
If you enjoy getting rewards at a much slower rate, more power to you for AFKing