MGP too much of a grind

Getting 1 million for Fenrir mount, then another million for Cloud, then Setzer glamours etc etc etc just makes the grind years long... so what i (and im betting everyone) wants are systems like: daily/weekly cap on MGP you can buy with gil (not just base 500 cap), gold saucer being added to the challenge log to give extra MGP per week, a trade in system like grand company has so you can give gear you get (while farming for cards/lights etc) to get you more MGP and perhaps even adding a roulette to duty list that gives you a random NPC to play against in triple triad, or a chocobo race to do (2 different roulettes perhaps) that give MGP like how low level gives grand company seals... this way Fenrir mount becomes something you can get this year, without having to rely on jumbo cactpot :P .... even just 1 of the above is better than what we have now

Luck with the lottery and patients. These things were not meant to be obtained in the first week of release. It gives you meaning to visit the saucer and play Triple Triad with friends and NPCs. Don't think it should be handed out on a silver platter to everyone. The items are worth more that way. ^^v

I manage to get 14 wins in 10 min 05 sec against Indolent Imperial. That's 1260 MGP of net profit. Doing the maths for 1,000,000 makes it equal to 133 hours and 22 minutes.

For people without a job or a family to attend to, that can be done in about 10 days

"Its my money and I want it now"!!! Call GK Goneworth 877-MGP-NOW. (names and numbers changed to avoid legal action) Of course its a grind, like other things in the game, should they just hand out the good stuff for no work put in? Everyone gets a trophy. Every gamble in real life? I've been grinding Powerball going on some 20 years and have yet to reach 1 million won, heck I would take 1000 at this point. Grab a helmet and get in line with the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

"Its my money and I want it now"!!! Call GK Goneworth 877-MGP-NOW. (names and numbers changed to avoid legal action) Of course its a grind, like other things in the game, should they just hand out the good stuff for no work put in? Everyone gets a trophy. Every gamble in real life? I've been grinding Powerball going on some 20 years and have yet to reach 1 million won, heck I would take 1000 at this point. Grab a helmet and get in line with the rest of us.

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Because 100+ hours of 'minigame fun' for a mount is a good medium between super grindy and a hand out; right?

GTFO with that kinda logic please.

its supposed to work that way so you dont have everything in a month = =''''

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Originally Posted by Starrywisdom

Because 100+ hours of 'minigame fun' for a mount is a good medium between super grindy and a hand out; right?

GTFO.

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You know where the door is.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

its supposed to work that way so you dont have everything in a month = =''''

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Cost to obtain everything; let's say we put it at a meager 2 mil(which is actually a few hundred thousand short - at minimum). Arguably the fastest rate you can obtain MGP at the moment is about 5k~ hr give or take. That's about 400 hours of actual 'work' because to be efficient you have to grind something you will 100% be bored out of your mind with.

But yea; totally 'everything in a month'. Basic math escapes people on this forum.

My only gripe was that they put the new Aesthetician Hair Styles behind an 8000 MGP wall. Honestly wasn't there another way they could have done that? Why not a ridiculous amount of Guild Seals. Or Tomes. Or actually have made a quest that brought Jadaline back into the picture with him searching for "New inspiration". That 8000 MGP for the hair styles just makes me no longer give a crap about the GS's prizes. Heck even triple triad is so colossally rigged to make winning nieh impossible with out spending dozens if not hundreds of hours trying to break the 30 card threshold. And even then that just improves your chances on a lot of opponents to "Possible" vs "No way in hell". Like with Rowena, there is no way in hell to beat her with out having a hand full of two cards and preferably a 4 or 5 card to even the playing field.

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Originally Posted by Starrywisdom

Cost to obtain everything; let's say we put it at a meager 2 mil(which is actually a few hundred thousand short - at minimum). Arguably the fastest rate you can obtain MGP at the moment is about 5k~ hr give or take. That's about 400 hours of actual 'work' because to be efficient you have to grind something you will 100% be bored out of your mind with.

But yea; totally 'everything in a month'. Basic math escapes people on this forum.

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got more important things to do then sit there n calculate every small detail im in no rush to get anything in GS i know ill get it eventually atleast im not throwing a tantrum cause the grind is to long to obtain that said item

Main point is that they said more stuff might be added in the future, do you really want to grind for Fenrir mount for a week straight only for it be replaced by something new at a later date, and have everyone be like: "oh that person has Fenrir mount, that's cool.. but that new mount/item they released is way better" and i said things like: weekly/daily cap on buying MGP, challenge log (weekly quest), duty roulette (daily quest), trading in gear (you actually have to get gear to trade in 1st, and even then it can have a cap put on it too) they all have limits, it just makes obtaining the items feasible for those that don't want to farm it for a week straight (some will anyway, but we should not HAVE to).. i do not want anything to be "handed out on a silver plate", but having to win jumbo cactpot to get it anytime soon is also not a good way of designing it, and to the person who said: "been playing the lottery for 20 years" .. there is a huge difference between cactpot and real life

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Originally Posted by Leumas

there is a huge difference between cactpot and real life

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Huge? Other than the currency, its pretty much the same. Pick numbers and hope yours come in.

Wait? Too much of a grind hmmmmm gimi a sec. ( runs to nearest arcade and looks at the prizes for tickets) ( runs back to finish post.)

Seams legit to me man.

MMO = Grind. (massively multiplayer online withstanding) Some worse than others. For this game I'd say it fits with SE's take on grinding. You don't like it? Vote with your wallet. Crying about it won't change a thing.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

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If you only want the hairstyle; well that's actually one of the few reasonably attainable MGP items.

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Originally Posted by Starrywisdom

But yea; totally 'everything in a month'. Basic math escapes people on this forum.

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What's the rush?

I know it is an MMO.. which seems to be the common defense most defenders use... but...

A vast majority of the player base.. so the vast majority of subbers have things to do other then spend 24/7 grinding. EVEN with 24/7 grinding it will take roughly two weeks to get everything in the GS. There is a MMO grind.. and then there is SE milk you dry till you cry grind.

And when they add the next set of new prizes, they'll make most (if not all) of the previous prizes easier to obtain, and the new prizes will require the grind premium. Nothing new here. The cycle continues.

I can't believe some people in this thread. The OP has a very good point.

Think about how much stuff there is to do and get in this game, PLUS people that actually have lives, PLUS the fact that they release new content every month and a half (3 for big patches, month and a half for small patch). It is impossible in this game to do and get everything you want no matter how much work (grind not fun, work) all because everything in this game is placed behind insane drop rates or insane grinds and other insane barriers. This wouldn't be a huge issue if SE released new content at the same rate as most MMOs. Basically it is overwhelming fast. I literally have to ignore all other aspects of the game outside of Triple Triad just to be able to get Cloud before the next patch releases more content and new cards. Might as well forget about the Fenrir mount and progressing zodiac. The flaw in SE's design is that they do not scale their grinds to match the rate at which they release content. You have very little time to get things done and there is far too much to do in this game. There's the zodiac questline, crafting classes, pvp, and other things where you would have to farm/grind non-stop all day every day. Basically you cannot enjoy every aspect of the game you're interested in even if you're someone that doesn't have to work and have all day such as myself (disability reasons). You have to pick like 1 thing to focus on. Something more reasonable is the speed at which you can get new gear with tomes, like the poetics weekly cap. That's reasonable.

By the time I get all 80 cards and think I can now move on to other aspects of the game I am interested in, there will be new cards out which will also include insane drop rate, price, or other craziness. FFXIV is the first MMO I've played in my MMO history, since Everquest, that overdoes it on the grinds, prices, etc. Just getting a large house in the game costs waaaaaaaay more than other MMOs. I have always been able to get my own house in past MMOs, but not this one. And it is like this with every little aspect of this game. It's a complete mess the way they are currently doing things.

have you saved up a million dollars yet? and i don mean over the course of your life... but all at once... no joke its kinda hard >.>

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Originally Posted by Pterois

have you saved up a million dollars yet? and i don mean over the course of your life... but all at once... no joke its kinda hard >.>

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What does that have to do with the OP? This is a game meant for fun, enjoyment, and entertainment, not "Let's make the work similar to real life."

And to add to that, no one is expecting to get stuff within a week or right now. There's a difference between something being rare and having a grind, to something being absolutely insane. I'm trying to play a game and actually get rewarded for effort, not bore myself to tears. And don't even get me started on the broke RNG rates.

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Originally Posted by h0tNstilettos

Basically you cannot enjoy every aspect of the game you're interested in even if you're someone that doesn't have to work and have all day such as myself

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I am, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Slot Machine...

RNG at pure glory!!

once you get 100k you unlock... extra expensive Roulette 1k pero coin.

Higher reward, higher risk

The mini cactpot is a good way to earn extra coins. Every card is a potential winner, and while you won't always win your money back, the odds for winning are very good.

What other 'lottery' has a degree of skill involved? Picking the right lines based on the numbers you scratch off can make the difference between 10,000 MGP or 80, just learn to play your cards right!

My accumulated MGP in the achievement was around 100k by the end of the week. All I did was play TT, won 10k cactpot 3 times, a bit of chocobo racing. I won nothing from jumbo, No GATE farming, and I did plenty of other non gold saucer stuff as well. I don't really see a problem with MGP rates other than the fact that chocobo race rewards suck. I wasn't even playing with the intention of farming MGP.

I think the only problem here is that people are too impatient and want the best rewards in the game but are not willing to work for them or wait for them.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

What's the rush?

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This should honestly be the go-to for everything regarding impatience. What is the rush OP? Same question to other folks like Starrywisdom.

well lot do like say something bad about the game and yes even im like that everyone is we all say something bad about the game House cost to much MGP prizes are too much. That normal in every MMO Right? even i agree the Prize from GS are too much but hey im trying to make over 200K for my bunny outfit and i been at it for 3 weeks and i only have 6k MGP. u need Luck for GS and im not giving up i want that outfit i will get it even if it takes me year to get it

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Originally Posted by Gainsborough

i been at it for 3 weeks and i only have 6k MGP

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Did you mean "days"?

Three weeks...

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Originally Posted by Kharhaz

My accumulated MGP in the achievement was around 100k by the end of the week. All I did was play TT, won 10k cactpot 3 times, a bit of chocobo racing. I won nothing from jumbo, No GATE farming, and I did plenty of other non gold saucer stuff as well. I don't really see a problem with MGP rates other than the fact that chocobo race rewards suck. I wasn't even playing with the intention of farming MGP.

I think the only problem here is that people are too impatient and want the best rewards in the game but are not willing to work for them or wait for them.

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this is 10000% accurate you hit the nail on the head

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

You know where the door is.

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This is seriously the most petulant, childlike, and irrational answer you could give someone.

Complaining about something bad is how bad things become better. The MGP grind is pretty bad. Even if you make 10k mgp a day, 1 million is a HUNDRED DAYS.

And OMG the person who threw out 133 hours like it was a nothing stat....LAWL. You people are hilarious. A hundred thirty-three hours is 4 hours a day for a whole month. Every day. Grinding mgp and doing nothing else for four hours a day. Get out of here with that ridiculousness!!! LOL!

Threads like this are why we can't have cool, rare things. It's also why we end up with threads complaining about the lack of uniqueness. GS is supposed to be fun, with neato long term rewards, and something to do in between other activities in the game. I understand that there are completionist mind-set people out there, but really...an MMO isn't exactly the kind of game people who need 100% completion shoud be playing and expect it to not take years.

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Originally Posted by Feron

This is seriously the most petulant, childlike, and irrational answer you could give someone.

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But its true. When I went into GS for the first time. I saw the prices on things and what payouts were. Played a couple games and walked right back out that door, well teleported out. Now I just drop in for the daily/weekly cactpot. It is what it is, but the complainers will no doubt get to the devs and they will nerf things like they have done just to shut people up, but there will always be something else to complain about.

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Originally Posted by Feron

The MGP grind is pretty bad. Even if you make 10k mgp a day, 1 million is a HUNDRED DAYS.

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This is not including any variables, such as Cactpot winnings or otherwise I'm assuming, as 20sec of effort if you can win that potential 10k daily isn't exactly something to complain about. So a little over 3 months essentially? How long have you been playing FFXIV again?

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Originally Posted by Gainsborough

i been at it for 3 weeks

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That's some awfully short weeks you live by considering patch 2.51 only been out for a week.

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Originally Posted by Feron

This is seriously the most petulant, childlike, and irrational answer you could give someone.

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Are you sure? Ending sentences with "lawl"s and "lol"s in bold seems childlike and irrational. Maybe it's just me.

On Topic: I work two jobs and know that I'll never get a lot of the items in this game. So what? It's just a game, and who knows, you may hit it big on the cactpot and get what you want. Gold Saucer is going to be around for years, you have plenty of time to earn what you desire.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

That's some awfully short weeks you live by considering patch 2.51 only been out for a week.

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Sorry i was trying say 3 days want a little over bored since it feel like i been playing forever trying to get the over 200k of MGP and then with the Gear farming today too somewhat lost it on witch day i was on

Too many impatient people. Its not like you need the prizes, they're just glamour / stuff to show off. Your turning it into a grind yourself by trying to get it as fast as your can.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

The mini cactpot is a good way to earn extra coins. Every card is a potential winner, and while you won't always win your money back, the odds for winning are very good.

What other 'lottery' has a degree of skill involved? Picking the right lines based on the numbers you scratch off can make the difference between 10,000 MGP or 80, just learn to play your cards right!

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My cactpot for today had a highest possible payout of 360~. If 10k and 3kish arent even on the ticket then the payout suddenly becomes a lot less of a good way to earn coins.

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Originally Posted by Kharhaz

My accumulated MGP in the achievement was around 100k by the end of the week. All I did was play TT, won 10k cactpot 3 times, a bit of chocobo racing. I won nothing from jumbo, No GATE farming, and I did plenty of other non gold saucer stuff as well. I don't really see a problem with MGP rates other than the fact that chocobo race rewards suck. I wasn't even playing with the intention of farming MGP.

I think the only problem here is that people are too impatient and want the best rewards in the game but are not willing to work for them or wait for them.

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You seem to mention a lot of cases of luck. I've personally not won the 10k cactpot even once. I won 2.1k..once.
Interestingly, most of the time the 10k option wasnt even on my tickets.

The difference between your luck and mine: 30k-2k -> 28k. Your luck earned you + 50% MGP, which is quite a lot.
The cactpot is not a reliable source of MGP.

But i have to agree on one thing be able to sell cards for MGP or anything. I battle 3 NPC and got 3 cards i have. they like wasted of space in ur bag if u can't sell or trade them. im only holding on to them just in case they do something like that. if only the Lady Luck From FFX-2 was in game it help boots ur luck. but it not. As Leblanc will say
"Sssssooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy no luck for u Love"
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