The general consensus seem to be that it's a terrible stat for tanks, which is odd as it's the "only" tanking secondary stat in the game.
Will this stat be re-worked in 3.0? Why not just convert Parry into flat out physical damage mitigation and rename it, like Bonus Armor or Defense? The more of it you have the less physical damage you take.
Imagine my sadness and disappointment that now I may have to re-farm 75 Alexandrite all over again (I know it takes like 3-4 days of hunts but still) because I went Parry/ACC and I feel like I'm gimping groups I join. Please give me some form of hope :(
Is Parry going to be reworked?
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03-02-2015, 12:21 AMIfritRebornIs Parry going to be reworked?
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03-02-2015, 12:29 AMAshkendor
Accuracy on your weapon is great, so if you decide that you do want to respec it you'll only need to peel off the parry stat. Honestly, the difference isn't enough to gimp groups that you join. If they aren't making DPS checks because you're lacking a few points of crit/det then there's much bigger problems than your secondary stats.
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03-02-2015, 12:30 AMMartin_Arcainess
To be fair Parry isn't the worse stat it just needs a decent amount of numbers put into it but I've put Parry on my Weapon and were doing just fine in Fcob. Heck some heavy hitting attacks I parried and that saved some heavy healing on me.
Also some people seem to think your Parry stat effects the amount of damage you reduce but that's Strength stat that determines it. Parry just increases the chance of you Parrying.
Some people will say replace it with Det for more DPS and healing received but that is also another stat that requires alot in order to make any major difference and to top it off your a Tank not a DPS. But if your really worried about your DPS output I recommend putting your bonus stats into STR. That way your Block/Parry will midgate more damage and your over all DPS output will be increased.
But hey at least we got some choice in what we can do with our stats. -
03-02-2015, 12:39 AMHeskett
I've also invested into Parry on my Paladin and I realize its not very that good at the end, but I'd just say sit on your Parry build until 3.0. If they change it, neat! If Parry stays the same, then I'd focus on getting more Crit/Det.
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03-02-2015, 12:45 AMZfz
I'm genuinely interested in the sources for "parry is a terrible stat for tanks". What exactly is it saying?
- Parry is terrible for tanking as a whole; get rid of all the parry you see on all your gear for Det/Crit/SS! In fact if not for the high armor you're better off wearing STR DPS gear!
- Parry is terrible to put on your Novus due to the stat caps on the scroll, but you still need lots of parry on other pieces of gear. It's just not reliable enough and/or you can't get it high enough to make it reliable.
If I remember correctly, Determination will raise the amount of healing from healing spells you cast, but have absolutely no effect on the healing you receive. Am I wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess
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03-02-2015, 12:46 AMMetabug
Expecting it to be somehow reworked in 3.0, because currently it works just the same way as block, being totally random and unreliable.
My ideas on parry:
Why not turn totally passive skill into active skill modificator. Give everyone active skill "Parry", which will depend on the amount of parry points you've got.
"Parry (Active). Parry one physical attack." Amount of mitigated damage depends on STR stat. Cooldown depends on Parry (Passive) stat and amount of damage recieved from previous parried attack. More damage was parried - longer is cooldown before next Parry. Not on global cooldown. Has no "use" animation. Doesn't break other skill casts / Can be used any time.
This will turn Warriors into something like evasion tanks, leaving their worst-case survivability unchanged. Even now I can sometimes see over 10 enemy attacks one after another unparried.
At the same time it will greatly increase best-case survivability of top Warrior players.
It may work. At least Warriors' life will be less boring.
Reddit says you're right. DET affects only outcoming "damage", attack or healing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zfz
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03-02-2015, 01:10 AMFranchesca
I main as WAR and I absolutely hate the Parry stat. It's not reliable and does not often work, the probability of parrying is extremely low. I invested the melds on my relic with Acc/Crit/Det instead. No regrets.
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03-02-2015, 01:35 AMSpookyGhost
DRK is Parry focused iirc, so that probably means they're reworking the stat. As is Parry just doesn't scale well and isn't necessary due to the scripted tank busters and auto attacks hitting for nothing. They'll either have to change the game as a whole or change the stat.
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03-02-2015, 02:40 AMRaist
I've actually parried attacks on my mages... when it kicks in, it does make a difference. The trick is having it proc that is the problem. Wish it was a little more enhanced like it was in XI...let it's proc rate also receive a bonus from a particular stat like they did over there (maybe DEX?).
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03-02-2015, 02:49 AMAshkendorI don't think we've really seen any information on how the class will work in XIV, have we? o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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03-02-2015, 03:01 AMCanadaneI don't believe we have. Rumors spread like facts these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
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03-02-2015, 03:12 AMAkuryuQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
It was said at London Fanfest that DRK would rely on parry and dodge to tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
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03-02-2015, 03:18 AMSpookyGhost
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03-02-2015, 03:20 AMRaistHmm... will be interesting to see how that pans out without them having an Agility stat. Maybe they'll be repurposing DEX somewhat? Never understood why they left AGL out of this game...they had to have known they would eventually be adding jobs that could use it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuryu
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03-02-2015, 03:23 AMSpookyGhostThe "evasion" stat does exist in this game, it's the reason we can dodge at all and it's only really shown off with Featherfoot to a very small extent. Based on what Yoshi-P said, it's likely DRK will have abilities to boost it's Parry/Evasion. Hopefully this also means Parry will get a revision since right now DRK having those abilities wouldn't really matter all too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raist
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03-02-2015, 03:28 AMSaccharinIt's very likely the current relic will stop when 3.0 comes and a new one will start. Think about it: for a new player in 3.0 they would have to start with the level 80 relic just to get the latest stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by IfritReborn
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03-02-2015, 03:36 AMAshkendorQuote:
Originally Posted by Akuryu
All they really said about it was, "What we mean is rather than blocking with a shield (because you don't have a shield), it will be more parrying and dodging." That doesn't suggest to me that it's going to be completely parry/dodge based; it could apply to warrior just as easily. Warrior has no shield, but they can parry and dodge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
They also go on later to mention the fact that the Dark Knight uses not only their weapon, but the power of darkness and how they hope it will be different than the system in place for warrior/paladin. -
03-02-2015, 04:04 AMSpookyGhost
There's no real reason to point out the lack of shield other than to note the use of parrying and dodging. There's no sense in telling everyone that as just a broad statement when Warrior already exists and has no shield. Warrior also doesn't have a focus on parry or dodging (especially the latter, unless you want to count Featherfoot) so it's weird that they would bring that up. Also, if we're going to call that quote irrelevant, then I don't know why you bothered to include that DRK will wield the power of darkness.
Anyway, regardless of DRK being parry focused or not (it doesn't really matter, we'll find out when the expansion drops and I wouldn't really put all my chips on DRK being parry focused either), the rest of my post still stands. Parry is garbage at the moment and the fact that tanks aren't stacking the tank stat MUST show that. If they're going to look into Skillspeed which at least has some merit, then they should definitely be looking into Parry, especially when they're going to bring it up as a focus for, if not just DRK, then WAR and DRK. -
03-02-2015, 04:29 AMAshkendorI never said it was irrelevant. I said that in my opinion it didn't point at a completely dodge/parry based tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
I think we're going to see something more creative, which is why I brought up the other part.
Oh definitely. Parry is terrible. You have to stack way too much of it to get any effect and the return is still mediocre at best. The way that battles work in this game, parry basically just makes the healers overheal when it DOES proc since you can't count on it proccing when you need it. I came into the game thinking that a tank should stack tank stats (based on past history in other MMO's), so I went with parry/accuracy on my relic. I ended up respeccing it to accuracy/crit/det once I realized that parry is overall pretty useless. My static's healers have noticed zero difference healing me after the respec, which is pretty telling imo.Quote:
the rest of my post still stands. Parry is garbage at the moment and the fact that tanks aren't stacking the tank stat MUST show that. If they're going to look into Skillspeed which at least has some merit, then they should definitely be looking into Parry, especially when they're going to bring it up as a focus for, if not just DRK, then WAR and DRK.
It'd be nice if it was more useful since they love throwing so much of it on tank gear. -
03-02-2015, 05:28 AMNalien
I wouldn't put any hope in Dark Knight resulting in changes. Most likely that comment just means Dark Knight will have moves like Shield Swipe and Haymaker, maybe a stance similar to Sword Oath which adds a Counter to Parry? That would actually be quite nice but the stat would still need to be adjusted such that you don't need a boatload of it, more likely they'd just give Dark Knight a Perfect Dodge style move though... Best I can really see them doing is making Parry worthwhile on Dark Knight and leaving it largely irrelevant on Paladin and Warrior.
I'd honestly rather they leave it like that though. Warrior I think is fine as is, with STR/DPS stat stacking fitting the Job perfectly. Paladin I'd love to see given more of a focus on healing and blocking, parrying when you have a shield just seems odd to me... What I'd give to see Paladin given a Wrath style mechanic which increases with every successful Block, granting a large boost to Spell Speed (or just out right Swift/Surecast) and Healing Potency for your next Cure... It's a bleedin' crime that a Job famous for wielding White Magic has less self healing capabilities than virtually every other Job in the game... -
03-02-2015, 06:25 AMKotemon
I just cant understand why they cant tie a form of counter damage to parry based on str with a proc rate based on the amount of parry. Then when it procs counter damage, physical damage is negated and the percentage blocked (in some amount) is delt back to the source. Otherwise its about as useful as desynth on Culinarian, or Strength on Whm.