There has a been a lot of discussion about recipes being simplified, streamlined, "dumbed down", or whatever your phrase of choice is. The removal of the long chains of intermediate parts has sparked a fair amount of debate.
However, what about the extremely easy, almost gratuitously easy recipes that are currently in the game?
Let me bring up the most obvious example of this, the [item=6060002]Thousand Needle[/item]. This is a rank 42 item, essentially the "end game" item for weavers, and is painfully easy to make HQ. All it takes is a [item=10006014]cactuar needle[/item], which drops from cactuars as low as rank 20. This is by far the easiest "end game" item in the game right now to make +3. Even the recipe is only a Goldsmith rank 31 synth.
With the HQ system proposed for patch 1.20, this recipe even is more ridiculous, if it isn't changed.
Steps:
1) Farm low rank cactuars for HQ cactuar needle
2) Turn HQ cactuar needle into HQ Thousand Needle with 100% success rate
My hope is that, along with some recipes being made 'easier', that some recipes are made a whole lot 'harder', so that the recipes in general are a lot more uniform in difficulty.
Any chance of a dev giving feedback on this?
Will some recipes be made HARDER? [dev1016]
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08-25-2011, 11:12 PMAmineriWill some recipes be made HARDER? [dev1016]
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08-25-2011, 11:15 PMPerrin_Aybarra
if I remember correctly, the goal is to make leveling crafting like leveling a battle class. Not too hard with a steady pace.
The "harder" content is at max level (or near) so I believe there will be meaningful end game content for crafters and gatherers and harder to make/acquire recipes and such.
But a rep/dev could confirm better than me ^^ -
08-25-2011, 11:19 PMArchadius
Epic Gauntlets of Awesome
- 2 Electrum Ingots
- 3 Iron Plates
- 1 Boar Leather Glove
- 2 Silver Buckles
- 2 Scale Glue
- 6 Iron Nails
- 3 Iron Spikes
- 2 Electrum Squares
- 1 Radiant Astral Eye
Requires 3 Fire Crystals
Figure that one out! lol -
08-25-2011, 11:24 PMAeyis
I dont mind, i have 2 +3 cactuar needles from this weeks leves waiting for patch 1.20 ;o
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08-25-2011, 11:24 PMAmineriSure, I got that from Bayone's translastions of Yoshi-P's posts. And I'm certain that NEW recipes will be scaled up like that. I'm just wondering if some of the existing recipes (like the example one) will be made more difficult at the same time that others are being made easier?Quote:
Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra
For example, the equivalent Miner tool (R42 [item=7010009]Iron Dolabra[/item]) currently has the following recipe:
Iron Plate + Iron Nails + Wolf Leather + Scale Glue + Iron Pickaxe Head + Ash Pickaxe Shaft + Iron Axe Butt
Yes, that is seven ingredients. And not a single one is a dropped / gathered item. Yes, I fully expect that the Iron Dolabra recipe will be simplified, to something like:
Iron Ingot + Wolf Leather + Iron Ingot + Ash Lumber + Iron Square
However, even this simplified recipe is significantly more challenging to HQ then the current Thousand Needle recipe (both in the current HQ system and in the proposed 1.20+ HQ system).
My question is whether recipes such as the Thousand Needle will be scale UP to be similar to the example simplified Iron Dolabra recipe (which I totally guessed at). -
08-25-2011, 11:25 PMDoctorMogI was thinking the same thing.Quote:
Steps:
1) Farm low rank cactuars for HQ cactuar needle
2) Turn HQ cactuar needle into HQ Thousand Needle with 100% success rate
Farming low level mobs for HQ items just became a money maker.
Too bad for the newbies that want to grind on them I guess.
Bouhahahahahahahaha. -
08-25-2011, 11:28 PMPerrin_Aybarra
yeah I hope they adjust those recipes but worse come to worse, the HQ thousand needle will just not be worth much on the market.
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08-26-2011, 12:04 AMFelis
SE could bring a new end game needle recipe, say a R49 Needle ^^
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08-26-2011, 12:06 AMPerrin_AybarraYup, that requires the Thousand needle as an ingredient + several other mats ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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08-26-2011, 12:16 AMTheVedisdont count on the glue getting removedQuote:
Originally Posted by Amineri
glue is a base material just like nuggets and ingots are -
08-26-2011, 12:17 AMAmineriTrue, but nuggets are also a base material, and nuggets are being removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
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08-26-2011, 12:23 AMTheVedisdidnt see anything about them being removedQuote:
Originally Posted by Amineri
most recipes dont call for them in the final though so maybe thats why you may think so
and if your using cobalt as an example its a bad one....since thatl be a specialy made ingot apperently -
08-26-2011, 12:26 AMredmageHere you go, quote regarding the nuggets : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post308948Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
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08-26-2011, 12:28 AMTheVedisok thats interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by redmage
but it still stands that glue probly wont be removed
since its the ONLY material you really take from alchemy that isnt tiered/a part -
08-26-2011, 12:36 AMAmineriSure, that's reasonable. Perhaps the second ingot would be scale glue instead. All guesswork for us at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
My main question is still whether the extremely simple recipes currently in the game will be- modified to be made 'harder' (similar to how the 'harder' recipes are being modified to 'easier')?
- made obsolete by new gear being released?
- or not being changed at all?
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08-26-2011, 12:40 AMPerrin_AybarraMy opinion will be that most will remain unchanged, maybe they can modify some to make them harder if they are in the upper levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amineri
Then when new recipes are added, I think the plan is to reuse the lower level stuff to use them as mats in those new higher crafts.