LUCIS ROTATION! -- Sledd's guide -- very safe!

for this test:
craft - 430 control - 402 CP - 346 base (+43 CP with Bouillabaisse hq)
Rotation:
Comfort Zone (CZ) -> Inner Quiet (IQ) -> SteadyHand II (SH2) -> Waste Not (WN) -> Hasty Touch (HT) x5 -> Manipulation (MANI) -> SteadyHand II (SH2) --> Waste Not (WN) --> Hasty Touch (HT) x4 --> Manipulation (MANI) -> Great Strides(GS) ->
**bait the Good condition with up to 2x uses of Careful Synthesis
Byregot's Blessing (BB) -> Careful Synthesis II (CS2) x4

*you need to land atleast 1x Tricks of the Trade (ToT) before the final Manipulation
otherwise hit Reclaim and kill the synth
After all 9 HT's used: need 155 CP minimum and atleast 8 Inner Quiets loaded.
rough results going into the final stretch:
8 IQ without GS but excellent condition --> 90-100% hit it
8 IQ with good BB = 47% ish (not very good.. 50/50 chance)
9 IQ without good BB = 47% ish (not very good..50/50 chance)
9 IQ with good BB = 88% ish
10 IQ without good BB = 81% ish
10 IQ with good BB = 100%

Tip 1: only 1 Trick is required to make this happen, no need to chance one during SH2 or while WN is up. with 2+ tricks you can bait the ending with Innovation, but be warned: if this is your plan, after you use your
final Manipulation, use 1x CS2 first before using Innovation otherwise you will be at 40 durability with 1 Manipulation
still to go
Tip 2: the 5th HT on the first group is the 50/50 chance this one has no SH2 up so expect this to blow up alot. If you fail
a HT before this one, you need to land the 5th if you hit your first Manipulation with 2 fails hit reclaim and kill the synth to save time
Tip 3: if you fail 2x HT's after all 9 HT's been used you should be at 8 IQ. I personally would not go all in.. but what i do is use
Manipulation and nothing else..you will still have enough CP to reclaim. use 3x CS2 but do NOT finish. you are baiting for an excellent
condition. 8 IQ with an excellent does not require Great Strides to produce a 90% + result.

sorry for the broken threads... 1000 character max per post ,

I just wanted to also state that this was written during the making of my 7th Lucis now and is my lowest geared craft. Max melds on all jewelry and belt is expected by the time your going for Lucis. I have artisans crafted body feet and legs, but im sure the same results will work for Talons purchased artisans gear too considering you only need 56 durability for each CS2 at the end to finish in 4 steps. Also note that i achieved this synth with a non hq offhand artisan weapon with no melds. I was producing a 61 durability each CS2 with this job.

I know there are tons of rotations out there, but this one is simple and to the point.
Hope you like it! ~Sledd

You can bypass the 1000 character restriction by editing the post and adding.

I count 398 CP for your total rotation, so it would be possible to do it with zero ToT procs.

I'm not big on ultra conservative rotations for the turn-in items. With something that takes that much luck, I prefer taking more risks to flatten out that bell curve and get more really good synths, more really bad synths, and less meh synths. I took a chance on big or bust several times, like your BB without SH.

And yes, I do have all my DoH Lucis.

Hmmm... Considering you can get your rare and expensive mats back for an NQ result from the Talan NPC, I'd strongly advise against using Reclaim as a part of any Lucis token process. That 10% fail rate will bite you in the ass and you'll end up spending more money/time/seals to get additional rare mats than if you just finished the synth (and maybe even HQ it on like 25%!) and took another try (at merely the cost of crystals and some cheap mats).

yeah, the first few Lucis's i did... i was getting alot of non-hqs and got very frustrated. As for the big or bust on the BB... my rotation is not one. with an 8 IQ and using Manipulation only and then up to 3x CS2 baiting an excellent condition, you have enough CP left for the reclaim if you dont get it. Anything less (and usually including) an 8 IQ will most likely get you a non hq result unless you got sheer luck. This rotation will give you most of your HT's with only 1 being a 50/50 chance which can still result in a 9 IQ most of the time. But there are days lol...when those HT's just dont want to stick at all and yes... there are also days where that 10% fail rate on reclaim seems more like 50% rate lol.

As for the math on the Tricks of the trade, not sure how you calculated it but if you do NOT get at least 1, you will not have enough to get both GS and BB..it will be one or the other without a ToT

confort zone cost 66 gives back 80...so lets call it +14 cp
base 346 + food 43 + CZ 14 = 403 total CP with no ToT used.
cost = IQ 18+ SH2 25+ WN 56+ HT 0+ Mani 88+ SH2 25+ WN 56+ HT 0+ Mani 88+ GS 32+ BB 24 = 412 needed

I agree with Archadius. There's no reason to be using reclaim when you can get the expensive mats back from the vendor for an NQ. Use that extra 55 CP elsewhere.

It's been a little while since i got my last crafter Lucis, but i remember using Ingenuity2 + 3 Careful Synth II for progress required to finish the craft (or at least 2 Careful Synth II under ingenuityII and 1 CS2 without).
I didn't see Ing2 on your rotation, and your craftmanship seems to be lower than mine was when i crafted them.


Edit: nm, it seems you use 4x Careful Synth II. It works but it means one less step for Inner Quiet stacks.

@ chrillix ... that 55 cp is not a loss. you only use it with intentions to end or kill the synth. Its not part of a finishing the synth process.
Ok... but i see so far all you disagree with the reclaim method. Fine... to each there own. Me personally, I would rather end a synth 10 steps in and try again when you know its going bad to get way more attempts per food then waste time doing the full synth to finish for a non hq. Also, if you want better chance at hqing it, that one mat that you do actually lose and don't get back from Talon is the only mat you can actually buy hq versions to increase your chance.
@aerolol ... yeah, as i mentioned in my second post up there, this is my lowest craft with a non hq offhand and no melds. I wanted to show the low end of the synth for the sake of people who actually never done the Lucis yet to show a rough minimum so people can make the call if there ready or not to achieve the synth.

Me personally, I craft a lot of 4 star items and i heavily rely on reclaim as an escape if things are going bad. Using reclaim or having it readily available Is a must at these levels unless you like producing a lot of non hq's or like just taking wild chances.
And suppose that 10% chance fail rate does happen to kick in... its not hard to get the 3x untradeable mat back. Besides doing the leves for 3, it literally cost in around 2k a mat from GC. Heres how: Hippogryph skin is around 999-1k range on my server usually. make a leather with it. raptor sinews same price roughly.. anywhere from 500-1500gil. stick the two togather and make a Militia choker (hippogryph leather and raptor sinew) trade to GC for expert delivery and get 644 seals. 44 more seals then it cost for one of the untradeables. And since hq and non hq turn ins are worth the same, you do a non hq choker that takes literally 4 seconds to make. so time and money not a factor...and if 2k gil IS an issue..then maybe you shouldnt be working on Lucis's just yet. Maybe its time to stablize some income. If that time to go get new mats from the rare 10% blow up is an issue? then whyt are people implying pumping out chance synths for and getting 75% non hqs for just to be safe. Thats way more of a waste of time.
Just my opinion.

But even without using reclaim and playing it safe by just finishing all the time, This rotation works pretty good for a consistant 8-10 range. Obviously there are tons of rotations that can achieve 11 IQ, but i wrote this for the reclaim and 1x ToT method ... the reason i said it was 'safe' in the title.

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Originally Posted by sledd

Using reclaim or having it readily available Is a must at these levels unless you like producing a lot of non hq's or like just taking wild chances.

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why are people implying pumping out chance synths for and getting 75% non hqs for just to be safe. Thats way more of a waste of time.

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Reclaim is far from a must with 4 star synths, especially with the addition of Lucis tools. I'm sure my NQ rate is lower than the lost materials rate of someone that relies on reclaim.

It's far from 75% non-HQ for Lucis tokens if you know what you're doing. I would estimate my NQ rate to be in the 20-30% range on them.

Reclaim is a 90% chance you'll get all the materials back. Completing with low quality is a small chance at HQ and all but the cheap mats back if you don't.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I took a chance on big or bust several times, like your BB without SH.

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It's far from 75% non-HQ for Lucis tokens if you know what you're doing. I would estimate my NQ rate to be in the 20-30% range on them.

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20-30% for non-hq??? you got the best random number generator in the game then considering you take chances all the time with your big or bust method.


yeah, I clearly do not know what I am doing. 7/8 Lucis's... I should just step back i guess since i don't have 8 yet. Guess my method just don''t work..


look, all im trying to say is here is an alternative option for people who want to try another method. Why debate it? It worked out great for me so far, and I am just trying to pass on information to others. Bottom line... this works good. If anyone got the opposite effect from their random number generators as you do and get a ton of non-hqs ... try this, you can save alot of time.

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Originally Posted by sledd

20-30% for non-hq??? you got the best random number generator in the game then considering you take chances all the time with your big or bust method.


yeah, I clearly do not know what I am doing.

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I wasn't implying that you don't know what you're doing, I was saying you will have much better chances at HQ if you use a different method and know what you are doing (in regards to this other method).

You don't seem to understand what I mean by gambling. I'm talking high probability/medium reward and medium probability/high reward. These are the types of things I avoid on things as easy as 4 star synths. Examples:
-using a 3rd CZ when it could cost you 10-18 CP if you don't get any ToT procs
-adding durability at the cost of potentially not having enough CP to use SH/Inno on your BB

If your method takes 50-100 synths per Lucis, it's not going to save a lot of time.

I only used reclaim 1 time on my all 8 DOH Lucis, and guess what....... "FAILED".

My Lucis token ratio was 33-40% HQ, I used CZ - IQ - SHII - HT spam - Manipulation, ToT on good and renew all skills when it falls off.

well.. i just started working on my cooking Lucis.. my last one. I used 1 food and this was the outcome using my method:
1 non-hq duck broth because of not using any hq mats, and got a 9 stack of IQ with out landing a good condition... which only produced a 28%. Those odds are horrible for a 9. Better off with the hq mats for the 47% you could potentially land without a good condition for BB. That was one of the points i was trying to make about the hq mat that you would lose just finishing a synth. It helps push that number up so you can finish the hqs faster rather then keep turning in non hqs for mats back.

I got 8 hqs in this run....and yes, you guys won the debate for reclaim this round lol.
I used reclaim 10 times and got burned 2x. But like i also stated before, its just as fast to make a 4 second synth for milita choker and get 1x duck bone for it at GC. 2k per bone... i lost 6 bones. 12k. and really at that cost you can even make more then you need if you wish for safety. I understand your point of making it cost absolutely nothing except for the cheap mat going with the non hq option. But it really comes down to what you value more.. the money or the time. I can easily over produce duck bones at 6k a set of 3. Reclaim does bite you in the ass now and then... but its not going to be like 10 times for this Lucis run. 2 is already extremely unlucky.

again... there is the loss of all the other mats, but fortunately i am doing cooking for this test and there all really cheap. But reclaim will come down to personal choice. I trust it and i use it alot. This same rotation can be used beside Talon using your method... no need to go big or go home... just follow this rotation and it will consistantly get you a good IQ. Its not even complicated. ITs the same pattern twice.. then the ending, with the exception of one extra blind Hasty Touch. Finishing the synth either way, this should produce rewarding results for most people. No need to have IngII set up or SH2 up for your final BB. This saves on that cp and uses it instead in multiple WN's and Mani's

Discounting the two totally failed synths from falling asleep on the keyboard during Lucis turn-in synthing, I NQed 2 and HQed 20 using my Shark Fin Soup rotation. It runs a ton of low chance HTs, but can fail HT a bunch and still get HQ. The rotation is just:

1. CZ*
2. IQ*
3. SH2
4. WN2 (yeah, I know, I know, but it works here!)
5. RS
6. HT
7. HT
8. HT**
9. HT** (yes, these are 50% HTs)
10. HT** ^
11. HT* ^
12. CZ* (The following bit is a bit odd depending on where the Goods fall, if any. This assumes no goods, though you need at least 1 in the entire rotation.)
13. Manip*
14. SH2*
15. HT*
16. HT*
17. Manip*
18. HT*
19. HT* (can be BT instead if you've had 4+ ToTs)
20. SH* (can be SH2 instead if you've had 3+ ToTs)
21. HT* (can be BT instead if you've had 3+ ToTs)
22. GS (if 0 ToTs at this point, just BB and CS2 instead and go trade in your NQ for the mats unless you get lucky on your ~20% chance)
23. If 1 ToT (41 or less CP) or Good or Excellent condition: BB; If 2+ ToTs (42+ CP) and Normal condition, Innovation
24. If 37 or less CP, or Good or Excellent condition: BB; If you somehow have 38+ CP and Normal condition, Observe
25. BB if you haven't already
26. CS2

* use ToT after if Good
** use ToT after if Good, but only once

Obviously, if you ever get an Excellent with IQ6+, use BB (unless you have 5 durability). With just IQ6, BB will give 4k quality.

0 HT failures, 1+ Tricks: 100%
1 HT failure, 1+ Tricks: 100%
2 HT failures, 1+ Tricks, Good condition: 100%
2 HT failures, 2+ Tricks, Normal condition: 96% <-- These are what I usually wound up with
2 HT failures, 1 Tricks, Normal condition: 86%
3 HT failures, 2+ Tricks, Good condition: 100% <-- These are what I usually wound up with
3 HT failures, 1 Tricks, Good condition: 93%
3 HT failures, 2+ Tricks, Normal condition: 79% <-- These are what I usually wound up with
3 HT failures, 1 Tricks, Normal condition: 66%
4 HT failures, 2+ Tricks, Good condition: 88%
4 HT failures, 1 Tricks, Good condition: 73%
4 HT failures, 2+ Tricks, Normal condition: 33%
4 HT failures, 1 Tricks, Normal condition: 25%

(an excellent will hit 100% even with 6 failures - after 6, you drop fast)

On average, you will fail 3 HTs and get 3 ToTs, giving you 79% on a Normal and 100% on a Good after the Inno, 93% if you get a Good after the GS.

Here's the macro with 2 ToTs simulated: http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...tor&guid=cbdDx (I'd post the link with http://ffxiv.lokyst.net/ as well, but that site a) doesn't seem to have a link feature, and b) doesn't have a way to take into account intricacies, like if RS fails, you replace the next HT with RS until RS succeeds once, and so on)

RS + CS2 is enough to finish the synth with Shark Fin Soup up, at least with my offhand melds.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Discounting the two totally failed synths from falling asleep on the keyboard during Lucis turn-in synthing, I NQed 2 and HQed 20 using my Shark Fin Soup rotation. It runs a ton of low chance HTs, but can fail HT a bunch and still get HQ. The rotation is just:

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I don't really post here, not ever maybe, but I just had to in order to like this and comment that your rotation, while super complicated, friggin' works beautifully. With all due respect to OPs rotation, which got me a ton of NQs and had me redo a lot of them (but got me four HQs), yours has given me HQs every time.

Admittedly, I've had to wing it sometimes because I lost my place. But honestly I learned a little bit about what to do myself.

Thank you, Nyalia.

Wow, never seen this thread before but OP's rotation is just god awful..
First off, your first SH2 misses the fifth HT unless that was a mistake on your part listing the rotation in wrong order.

Secondly, your WN2 only has 5 durability consuming actions, which consumes 25 durability, since the 5 doesn't count, let's just say 20.

So you're doing 5 actions at the cost of 20 durability. with a Waste Not II. You do realize, you can just do 5 actions WITHOUT any WN2, then use Master's Mend? Thus using 20 durability for 5 actions? Not even Manipulation, Master's Mend will STILL consume less CP than your method AND give you an extra cross class slot, AND let you pick up ToTT on good procs instead of being locked in to your WN2 cycle.

Only reason you get decent results with this is that the lucis tokens are not that demanding to begin with. Pushing out a sub-optimal solution paired with a somewhat satisfactory result does not mean that the solution is correct.