Hello all,
I have some concerns about the Chocobo system being implemented in 1.19 (or 1.19a if it's late).
In an earlier dev post (it might have even been a Yoshi-P post) we were told that Chocobos will be something that everyone will easily be able to afford, specifically, even players under rank 20. If someone can provide a link to the exact post, that would be greatly appreciated.
On to my concern:
I feel that making Chocobos "cheap" is not only going be hugely detrimental to the economy (face it, we need gil sinks, now), but it will also take away from the sense of accomplishment for earning a Chocobo, or Chocobo access. If even players under rank 20 can get them (and you can get from rank 1 - 23 in a day, easily) then we have a real problem with "goals" for the Chocobo system in FFXIV.
I propose that perhaps just "gil" is not a solution to this problem. I would prefer that Chocobo rentals have two requirements, let's say, for example... 10,000g for an hour, and also, you must feed the Chocobo (gyashl greens) periodically or before you rent, where the greens are an "untradable" item that you must hunt for and can't simply just be lazy and buy.
This not only removes some gil from the economy at a reasonable rate, but ensures player participation, and also keeps new players where they should be (lower areas) until they are strong enough (and wealthy enough) to venture into new and more dangerous areas.
SE has led me to believe that we're moving away from easymodexiv to a better, brighter future, but when I see posts like what I mentioned, it makes my faith waiver.
Thoughts?
Concerns Regarding Chocobo Cost
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08-24-2011, 11:02 PMArchadiusConcerns Regarding Chocobo Cost
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08-25-2011, 12:25 AMsyntaxlies
10,000 gil an hour is allot for someone under rank 20. Rentals should be 500-1000 gil, and when you dismount they run away and leave you stranded. thats all.
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08-25-2011, 12:55 AMArchadiusQuote:
Originally Posted by syntaxlies
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Originally Posted by Archadius
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08-25-2011, 01:02 AMHolland
I think there is a confusion with what the Dev Team refers to gil sinks and what we think they are for.
I believe any gil sinks introduce in the game are not for draining the current players of their wealth but instead measures set in place to stop new players reaching outrageous amounts of gil like the current playerbase. I agree with the Dev Team in wanting the rental chocobos to be highly accessible to anyone who wants to use them. As for keeping players where they should be, chocobos can be attacked by fiends, so that will keep most of low levels under restrain when exploring with their chocobos. -
08-25-2011, 04:01 PMEruantien
Rental chocobos are easy to get, but the goal, and your sense of accomplishment comes with personal chocobos
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08-25-2011, 04:35 PMMariyaShidouThis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eruantien
Also rental chocobo need to be accessible for as low rank as possible. Rental chocobo won't be as convenient as Personal chocobo of course, and the way they said it I think there are many things you can do only with Personal chocobo. -
08-25-2011, 05:05 PMKraggyLove the 'easy mode' quip, guess that makes it clear the camp you're in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
Whether or not your characterisation is accurate, I've not seen anything the makes me think SE are going to pander to the elitists in the way you seem to want. -
08-25-2011, 05:22 PMTAS
Well when you think about it, with Personal Chocobos you'll most likely be able to call on them from anywhere in the world at anytime, were as with rentals you'll only be able to access to them in city-states, make a trip, lets say out into the middle of nowhere, and if you have to dismount it will run off (and if your strapped for anima, you'll have to make make the long walk home.)
In an interview I read with yoshi, It appears that you'll be able to equip armor onto your personal chocobo and have it fight along side you. (I think rentals are just for quick one-way trips, and when you get off that's it.) =p -
08-25-2011, 08:02 PMKorbei
I say to hell with the elitism. If lower ranked players want to Chocobo out into the borderlands of The Black Shroud and get stranded in the middle of rank 80 mobs, why stop them?
Sorry pal, but you're not better than the players who haven't started yet, just 'cause you were foolish enough to pick up the game at launch. In fact, I'd say they've got at least one up on you there. -
08-25-2011, 09:38 PMArchadiusLove how the first mention of anything difficult or having effort being required for something is automatically associated with "elitism" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kraggy
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08-25-2011, 09:45 PMArchadiusIt's not elitism, it's to prevent the inevitable whining that will ensue afterwards. If you let low rank players go anywhere they please, they will do so, then the forum will flood with people complaining that "hard mobs are preventing my r10 character from travelling to places they shouldn't go in the first place". Then of course SE will have to do something about it, and make the game even easier. Why can't you see the bigger picture?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korbei
Not really sure what the point of this is supposed to be. You can thank the "foolish people" who picked up the game at launch for keeping FFXIV even still on the market, pal. Without us, there would be no game right now, you're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korbei
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08-26-2011, 01:50 AMChain
Ya, lets rape the pockets of the lowbies or force them to walk, that's a great idea. You ever think about running for office?
Don't worry I'm sure SE can think of plenty of ways to throw your gil back into the system seconds after earning it. -
08-26-2011, 02:12 AMArchadiusDoes a low ranked player need to walk to Camp Broken Water, Coerthas, or Mor Dhona for ANY reason? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chain
Should a low ranked player have to walk to camps to "acquire them" first just like everyone else? Yes.
Does a low ranked player have access to 100 anima just like everyone else? Yes.
Does a low ranked player need a Chocobo to get to Camp Black Brush, Camp Horizon, or even Nanawa Mines? No. -
08-26-2011, 02:13 AMArchadius
Maybe I will run for office :D
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08-26-2011, 01:14 PMMariyaShidouI imagine the high level mobs will knock them off Chocobo and have them for dinner anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
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08-26-2011, 04:20 PMVydarrTyrYou're right they don't "need" chocobos to get around. But then again, neither do we high level players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
People seem to want chocs for two reasons: 1) They're Final Fantasy; and 2) to get to far away places more quickly and without using anima. Those reasons apply just as much to new players as to higher ranked players. New players need to move between all 3 cities, too. The idea is to make the game more enjoyable for everyone, new players and old.
Why? Just because something sucked for us doesn't mean it has to suck for everyone. We want the game to be more enjoyable for new players, so they'll stick around.Quote:
Should a low ranked player have to walk to camps to "acquire them" first just like everyone else? Yes.
I can't think of any benefit to excluding new players from using chocs. And I imagine that lots of new players will really enjoy them. We want new players to have more fun. So that's a good thing. :) -
08-26-2011, 06:10 PMAnapingofness
O_O Chocobos being attacked by fiends? Dear Jeebus... Never! That's a horrible idea! Why would you ever want to discourage an exploration of your world? What's the harm in just looking around a place?
Korbei kinda went there too. I approve with ... well, ALL of what he said. Especially the bit about elitism.
However, MY concern about chocobos is simply this.
Let's take a step back and look at FFXI for a moment and let it lead into FFXIV.
Yes, you can rent chocobos after doing a god awful, 4hr quest. (Hint, hint SE. Don't do that again, please)
And yes, after you do that quest you can rent a chocobo from cities, certain outposts and teleport crystals.
Also, you can raise your own chocobo. Which is all fine and dandy until you realize that you can raise it to be slower than the damned rent-a-birds. However, you cannot make it faster than the rental chickens.
Did I mention that it takes about a month to raise?
Dear, SE, if I have to do do an initial quest that takes 4 real life hours to be able to ride a chocobo and then, if I decide/have (the personal ones are really the way to go since every zone does not have a chocobo vendor-person) to raise a chicken of my own.... And that raising process takes a month- Then let the damn bird be faster than the rentals!
Which is also, a rather huge hint to SE. = =;;;
Closing Remarks my fine ladies and gents~
I agree in that the rental chickens really will be more like you rent from city, get to where you need to and then they run off into the distance when you dismount/enough time has elapsed. However, I do not agree that players should be charged 10k for a rental. That's just dumb and it won't stabilize the economy. It'll just make the lower level players annoyed.
The economy will stabilize itself once there is something to spend money on (for those players who have accumulated a stupid amount of it. I am not one of those players lulz).
For example:
I suggested a while ago that SE brings about Mog Houses and Gardens (Only updated and made more awesome). The only other game that I've played with Houses was LOTRO. The difference was that MH's had a better handle on how you can decorate than LOTRO but LOTRO actually had you buy the house and I think they also had a 'rent' thing that took money every 'month'. In any case, things like furnishings and barber shops will eat up money just as well as a 10k/hr chicken.
And buddy, for 10k/hr chicken that bird better be made of gold and have the ability to fly. D=
That is all! Thanks for reading!
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Chain and VydarrTyr are awesome for saying what they did. Especially VydarrTyr ^^ Thank you for pointing that out! -hands cookie-
I feel as if far too many people are stuck on the "Well because I had to do it the 'hard' way so should everyone else" bandwagon of angst, instead of for pushing for the game to be more enjoyable for everyone. -
08-26-2011, 07:05 PMEruantien
actually you can raise chocos faster than that of the rental chocos in xi, as I did.
However the arguement that lowbies shouldn't be able to explore but High levels can is a bit daft. that means that lowbies shouldnt go to areas with mobs rank 50, makes rank 50 players shouldn't be able to visit places with mobs rank 99 which you have done getting to those hard nodes.
As mentioned just because it was hard for us, doesn't mean it should be that hard. And as the choco's do get attacked they will not be able to explore those high end nodes anyway without some skill. -
08-27-2011, 03:50 AMsyntaxliesso basically your just bitter cause you couldn't have a choc when you were rank 15 or 20 and think every new player needs to suffer.gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
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08-27-2011, 05:01 AMPerrin_AybarraIt is confirmed that being on a chocobo in FFXIV will not make you immune to mobs. This is partly, I guess, because mounted fights will be made possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anapingofness
Also, to answer OP, how about the rental cost of a chocobo to be like 1% of your total gils or .5%, that way, it's a good gil sink for over the top rich people who got rich while playing in the beta we are in so that maybe, eventually new players might catch up. Plus it will make it so that you will always be able to rent a chocobo, unless you have 1gil left...
As for the level at which you should be able to start renting, I think 15 would be a good level to access a quest for it. -
08-27-2011, 05:10 AMStockapotapoulos
Personal Chocobos, sure. Make them like the Maybachs of FFXIV. Give the hard workers, the rich, and the elite their sense of accomplishment.
Rental Chocobos, 10,000 gil per rental? As my friend's mum used to say, "Boy, you must be outcho mind!" Make them like the Fords of FFXIV. Give everyone the sense of nostalgia of riding a chocobo in a Final Fantasy game. -
08-27-2011, 05:39 AMAnapingofnessAh... I see. I wasn't aware of the possibility for mounted fights. Which, to be honest does sound cool. o o; Thanks for clarifying!Quote:
Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra
However...
My thing is that we should be encouraged to explore the world not deterred from it. Even if we are too low of levels to do anything to them or even in that area.
I fear by not allowing players to do that we are limiting world and the overall game experience. ^^;