Rotation guide - 2/3/4 stars

Hi there,

I wrote lodestone blog entries about crafting rotations. The guide contains rotations for 1, 2, 3 and 4 stars. Here is an extract of the main blog entry :

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When I reached master recipes crafting, I found a whole bunch of crafting guides. [...] I went frustrated by the rotations I found there. Most of them were either bad [...] pretty hard to read [...] or hard to understand [...] This guide will focus on the one and only thing : these damn rotations.

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The rotation guide contains :

- master recipe II items rotations (I'm 4/8 on these books, lost 8 FCIII in the process)
- Lucis turn in item rotations
- 3 stars rotations (from 10 to 12 touches rotations, >95% HQ with NQ mats)
- 4 stars rotations (11 touches rotations, >80% HQ with NQ mats)
- mass production macros for 1 and 2 stars (artisan turn in gear, Mastercraft demimateria farming, ...)

If you are looking for rotations, you are in the right spot.
And if you have ideas to improve any of the rotation, or if you feel something is missing, you are welcome to discuss them (here or on lodestone).

Now to the point : Shana's crafting rotations guide

Thank you! This was an excellent guide - it helps you understand the steps and how you should deviate depending on your personal RNG run. I was able to get my leatherworker supra and masterbook II despite some RNG failures (two failed PbP in a row made me want to cry) and triumphs (my final Water-hardened Hippogryph Strap hq'd at only 8% quality).

Very nice thank you much ~

Thank you for your support. I was wondering if the crafting rotations were obvious for all crafters. But apparently my guide is useful, and I'm glad I can help.

very nice, and easy to understand. Bookmarked!

I took a gander at your 2* and 4* write-ups. I'm a LITTLE surprised that you didn't also lookup/include 1*/2* 40dur/80dur synthesis in your guides.

I thought about a lot of the macros I found while I was still getting to 2*/3*, how the stats that I had didn't necessarily match up with what was required for different macros, etc. While it would be nice of me to repost those, I've given more thought as to re-writting out all of my, let's call them mass production macros, and uploading them to my lodestone blog. the effect of "Now that I'm here, and all 8 of my crafts have exactly these stats, here are the skills needed, and here are the exact macro's, to have one/two touch macro's to guarantee every synth 2*-. Eventually, I'm sure we'll get there with3*. Mostly, because our Crafts/Control will be so high we won't need as many steps . . . but we'll see.

Well, thank you for the input. I did not post all my mass-production macros, but I'll do it. At least the 1* 40 durability because we have to make thousands of these for Mastercraft Demima farming.

Updated with 1*/2* 40 durability rotation + macro.

hi... everyone
thanks for the 3* rotation guide... but i have a problem using Shana`s rotation...

I try those to make Mummer`s Dagger... but it always failed when comes to hasty touch... I don`t know what to do

so is there anyone wants to share the rotation to make HQ Mummer`s Dagger...

thankz alots

Hi Adeputra,

You should be careful, the Mummer's Dagger has a difficulty of 222 while the 3* rotation of my guide has 445 difficulty. The rotation you are following does NOT apply to Mummer's Dagger (not without a slight modification).

I will soon update my guide for these crafts. I'm just a little busy fishing these days. I'll try to update the guide for sunday as I see that you have troubles.

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Originally Posted by Wisdombeer

Hi Adeputra,

You should be careful, the Mummer's Dagger has a difficulty of 222 while the 3* rotation of my guide has 445 difficulty. The rotation you are following does NOT apply to Mummer's Dagger (not without a slight modification).

I will soon update my guide for these crafts. I'm just a little busy fishing these days. I'll try to update the guide for sunday as I see that you have troubles.

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Thank you so much.
For the time being im just hold it, don't want to waste another scheelite (15-17K per ore).My craftsmanship is 457, control 417 with 395 CP (w/food) I have all the cross classes.

Hi Adeputra,

I updated my guide to add the 222/4980 40 durability rotation. This is the direct link to the 3* 40 durab 222/4980 rotation.

I also updated the blog entries to add the durability in the title.

If anyone else want a rotation for another recipe that is not listed on the main blog entry (in terms of durability / quality / difficulty), feel free to ask ! I'll do my best to find a good rotation.

Hi Wisdombeer!

I try the rotation just now and seems like its works... even tho its NQ one but at least I can reclaim and redo it again...


TODAY : got LUCIS for my Blacksmith

thank you.. once again Wisdombeer

GG for your Lucis. Glad I could help ya.

Thank you for posting these. ^^
Wanted to let you know that the <me> is not necessary in the macros. It is you by default. ^^

True, I'll update my macro when I update this post. It does not hurt, but is not necessary.

Thank you for this, it's helped a lot. I was having such a horrible time with these 3 star master book II required crafts. I'm now 2/3. This went over some fundamentals that me being a new crafter didn't know about. I got an excellent and got up to 90% on my second successful HQ craft. Kept being pushed around to rotation to rotation until my sanity left me..no one could help me figure it out until that link. My blood pressure has literally gone down now and I'm happy.

I'm happy, now I just need a little bit of luck one more time and I can get that master book II! Just in time to not make any gil....still happy though.

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Kept being pushed around to rotation to rotation until my sanity left me..no one could help me figure it out until that link. My blood pressure has literally gone down now and I'm happy.

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Haha, you made my day ! Glad I could help you with your blood pressure and your sanity !

For the Lucis item rotation, it mentions in the cross-skills that you need 'Piece by Piece' but the rotation included does not use PBP... what am I missing?

Hi Jx00x and thank you for your message. You are completely right and did not miss anything. You dont need PBP for this rotation. That was a copy/paste mistake (I probably copy-pasted the cross class skill list from the 3* rotation and forget to remove PBP).

The guide is updated.

For some reason I'm not having success with the 3 star 445/4980 80 durability
http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../blog/1988547/

I have failed and lost mats while trying to craft a Furnace Ring. I tried out the rotations: 1, 2 and 3, none seemed to have worked. Are these rotation meant for HQ mats only? I need to make all of the Relic Turn in crafts to finish my quest. I know a friend who can HQ all the relic turn in crafts with NQ mats, I was wondering if you have the rotations for using only NQ mats?

All of my crafting class have above 460+ Craftmanship and 419 Control with 349 CP without food, I used Bouillabaisse HQ while trying out your rotations, for some reason I still fell short on CP and failed my crafts to due lack of CP or durability.

Hi JeSuisR,

With your craftmanship, the rotation 1 should suit the best. You say that you dont have enough CP to complete the craft. Did you use the Trick of the trade skill when you get some "Good" condition on your materials ? The guide states :

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This first rotation is a 12 Hasty Touch rotation that requires 409 craftmanship and 387 CP's. It needs at least two TOTT to be completed.

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It is very unlikely that you did not get two Good conditions. It never happened to me if I remember correctly. The rotation does use 387 + 40 CP. Consequently, if you did not cast Trick of the Trade at least two times, you will miss some CP.

Other question : does the Furnace Ring have 445/4980 difficulty/quality and 80 durability? I did not craft this item.

The rotations do work, but only in the exact conditions of the guide. If the difficulty / quality / durability is different, feel free to say, I will prepare a rotation and add an entry to my rotation guide.

You have no rotations with lucis numbers. Thier buff is so extreme it shortens mass production time.

With this rotation #2 in your 4*
http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../blog/1998400/

You should CS2 in the beginning to bait goods.

In your 4* #1 rotation what odds are you giving? You don't mention it, are you using all NQ matts? My Manual 4* rotations are very different. And require serious thought along the way.

"1) Do not take more than 2 TOTT before the second SH2. If you take a third one, your CP bar will fill up completely and you will loose the effect of Comfort Zone."

Could you get away with a basic touch in this situation?

Hello Wisdombeer,

Thank you for your response. I had trouble getting any Trick of the Trades and most of my the Hasty Touch ended up failing. I'm still kinda new to 3 star crafting, I did see a few bad conditions here and there, I don't know how to proceed if I get bad condition so I kept going with the rotations. And when do I add the Observe skill, after Trick of the Tread? and yes, the Furnace Ring have 445/4980 difficulty/quality and 80 durability. It's under Platinum Nugget which has about the same stat.

All the mats I used were NQ between.

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You should CS2 in the beginning to bait goods.

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I dont get this point. Why bait for goods in the beginning ? The #1 rotation require only 2 TOTT, you will get them along the craft almost 100% of the time.

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You have no rotations with lucis numbers. [...] are you using all NQ matts?

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Completely true, I'm currently working on getting a WVR Lucis to update my guide. I'm crafting mostly with NQ mats and I have almost 100% HQ (besides the master books II turn in items which are much harder). So I did not feel urgent to get Lucis. I do have HQ mats for expensive recipes (like artisan / forager stuff), that's just obvious.

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Could you get away with a basic touch in this situation?

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Well, yes, that could be a way of using CP's. But generally I prefer to cast an HT. It let you use the Good, but as your control is still low due to IQ stacks, I prefer to keep the BT for later on. I'll have some thoughts about this point when I'll be crafting these next days.

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I had trouble getting any Trick of the Trades and most of my the Hasty Touch ended up failing

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Trick of the Trades is your top most priority. When you see a "good" condition, you should cast it, except if you are in the final phase to cast the Byregot's Blessing. There is only very rare cases when you should not use a Good for a TOTT.

Concerning Hasty Touches, that's just RNG. A few days ago I had 5 fail in a row. Bad luck...

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when do I add the Observe skill, after Trick of the Tread?

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Well, Observe has nothing to do with Tricks of the Trades. When you are in the final phase, you will cast the Great Stride spell. It lasts for 3 steps and is pretty expensive. Consequently, you dont want to cast it again. It let you 2 steps to "bait" for a good condition. If you get "Good" after Great Stride, you cast directly Byregot. If not, you try to get a Good by casting an Innovation or an Observe. Try this a second time. And after this second bait, if you still dont get a Good, just cast byregot. You probably dont have the CP count to cast SH2, GS and BB another time.

PS : why are the messages limited to 1000 letters on this forum ? That's just annoying...

take the cuss word out of your previous post, if a mod see's it; they are going to perma ban you off of the forum.

Thanks very much. I'm 408/390ish control, 394cp with boulabaise and still been using hasty touch /wastenotII spam lol

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Originally Posted by ZephyrZ

take the cuss word out of your previous post

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Done, thank you, I was a bit angry about the 1000 character limitation...

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Thanks very much. I'm 408/390ish control, 394cp with boulabaise and still been using hasty touch /wastenotII spam lol

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Try using MMII whenever you can while following the rotations I provided. You should quickly understand why it is more powerful than Waste Not II. CP is the most important stat, so Trick of the Trades is the most important skill. And you cannot use it during Waste Not II. My rotations can be greatly optimized, but the adaptations are situation dependent. Consequently it's really hard to make them appear correctly in a guide. You'll eventually figure it out yourself one day. But having a base rotation to start is a good point.

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Originally Posted by Wisdombeer

Well, Observe has nothing to do with Tricks of the Trades. When you are in the final phase, you will cast the Great Stride spell. It lasts for 3 steps and is pretty expensive. Consequently, you dont want to cast it again. It let you 2 steps to "bait" for a good condition. If you get "Good" after Great Stride, you cast directly Byregot. If not, you try to get a Good by casting an Innovation or an Observe. Try this a second time. And after this second bait, if you still dont get a Good, just cast byregot. You probably dont have the CP count to cast SH2, GS and BB another time.

PS : why are the messages limited to 1000 letters on this forum ? That's just annoying...

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Thanks, sorry for the late reply. I don't loggin here very often. I got it to work now :)

I was wondering if you have the rotations for the i90 crafting tools :)