Time to rethink the use of non lvl 50 dungeons

I need 1 more dungeon to finish my current book for my Artemis bow. Unfortunately that dungeon is Brayflox Normal. At the moment the running time is 28 minutes. These dungeons were designed for player development to level 50. In today's Eorzea they are ill suited for high level gear and weapons progression. It is now time to rework the Relic Progression concept to meet today's players with an eye to 3.0 and beyond.

Get some friends to run it with you.
Queue up and go fishing, or watch a movie/TV episode.
Log on during the off-time for your server, wait a full three hours for a low level, and then get back to me.

Anyway there's lots of things you can do while waiting for a queue.
(Don't be like me and queue an hour for a dungeon, then forget to equip your weapon at the boss..........)

premade with your friend, speed run it, finish in less than 15 min per run

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Originally Posted by Rizon

I need 1 more dungeon to finish my current book for my Artemis bow. Unfortunately that dungeon is Brayflox Normal. At the moment the running time is 28 minutes. These dungeons were designed for player development to level 50. In today's Eorzea they are ill suited for high level gear and weapons progression. It is now time to rework the Relic Progression concept to meet today's players with an eye to 3.0 and beyond.

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You want fully redesign all the Relic progression, because you don't want wait 28 minutes? Of all the things I mark as 'exemplary' on forum, you got up straight to first place.

If you don't want long queue times, don't main DPS.

What's funny is the Animus books have low level dungeons set as their requirement precisely because the queue times are long.
Can you imagine how bad the queue times would be if no one had an incentive to do them after they outleveled them?
Also, in 3.1, we have no idea how they're going to work the new relic except:
1) It won't REQUIRE the current relic. Key word being require because...
2) There will be SOME bonus to having the "old" relic at that point, but there are absolutely no details other than Yoshi-P's explicitly confirmation that they will be "taken into consideration."

1) It helps new players get groups via DF.
2) If the quest require only Expert-level dungeons, your wait time will be longer (even as WHM, I wait 20 minutes for Keeper of the Lake).
3) People forget things in MMOs take time to get. This is one of them.

Heres the thing. You're gonna be hard pressed to find support when it comes to this type of stuff. I'm sure every single person has hated every single step of the relic quest until... they beat it. Then they don't care about the prior steps unless the plan on making a 2nd relic. I hated doing the animus books and would of signed a petition to have whoever came up with them fired. Now that I'm past that stage? Couldn't care less what they do with it.. It's also kind of backed with the "well it was hard for me so i want it to be hard for you mentality" seen most notably in people who do coil lol

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Get some friends to run it with you.
Queue up and go fishing, or watch a movie/TV episode.
Log on during the off-time for your server, wait a full three hours for a low level, and then get back to me.

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He complain that he need 28 minutes to finish the dungeon, not that he have to wait 28 minutes to enter it

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Originally Posted by Rizon

At the moment the running time is 28 minutes.

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In short, he want to faceroll the low level dungeons like the high level dungeons in ilevel 110+ gear.

I'd just like to see the ability to que for your books on any Job. People can say that it's "helping populate low level ques" but that only applies to healers and tanks (as running as a DPS just saturates that role even farther). It would have been really nice if I could have just run Cutters Cry as my PLD. The low level players would get their pop faster, and I wouldn't have to sit in que for 55 minutes as a monk just to have tank leave after first pull.

@ OP It's all abot you isnt it?

A BIG reason why the lowbie dungeons are put in as requirements for higher level stuff is so new/leveling players can get:
- Full teams at a reasonable que rate
- Experienced people involved with the dungeon

I would say Lowbie dungeoning isnt involved enough since, anecdotally, que times on sub-level 50 content is longer.
Double (triple?) the poetics for lowbie roulettte!

I hope they continue to do stuff that makes you go back to older content..keeps it relevant. I hate when old content becomes dead zones in mmo, or impossible for new players to do after a certain point because people have moved on.

Animus books are yet another of many, many features SE has added to the game to encourage/force players to re-run old content, for the benefit of players doing that content for the first time. If they didn't have these incentives, experienced players would rarely or never do lower-level dungeons, making it very, very difficult for newbies to find other party members.

So why not just remove the level cap, so the dungeons can be run quickly and newbies still get clear credit? Well, not only would it be HUGELY unsatifying for a newbie to run the dungeon on the coattails of an impatient level 50, having no idea what's going on and just gawping while everything gets curb-stomped along the way, but it would also deny them some of the best opportunities they have for learning how to play their class/job properly. How can a tank learn to tank if a level 50 is holding all the hate, all the time? How can a healer learn to heal if the level 50 never takes damage that outpaces their natural regen? Newbies need more than just experience points if they're going to be successful endgame.

SE has talked from time to time about allowing players to run content without level cap. If that day comes, it will be a sad day indeed.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

So why not just remove the level cap, so the dungeons can be run quickly and newbies still get clear credit?

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I would personally like them to keep lvl scaling in older dungeons..but would like them to make it so you can use all your abilities instead of locking them out..Why not just scale their damage..they already do it to the abilities that don't get locked out.

I have a feeling that things like will be taken into account for the 3.0 relic quest line. I'm guessing that the 2.45 patch will serve as a kind of template for future versions of this type of thing.

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Originally Posted by Felis

In short, he want to faceroll the low level dungeons like the high level dungeons in ilevel 110+ gear.

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In which case the request boils down to "It takes too long, make an easy button so I can just be given the stuff I want."

Why do people PLAY this game if they don't actually want to PLAY the game and simply wish to faceroll content that they deem to be too time consuming for their importance...

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

SE has talked from time to time about allowing players to run content without level cap. If that day comes, it will be a sad day indeed.

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Indeed. Perhaps we should have a decent ilvl sync on the lvl 50 dungeons and content so that people cannot faceroll any of it?

I'm dead serious, not joking at all. I don't like the speed run mentality that places the value of one player's time ahead of the value of others playing and enjoying the game. The lack of ilvl sync on lvl 50 content has bred a state of mind among players who believe that everything should be speed run because, you know...they are too impatient/important to 'waste' their time actually running the content.

I know that the immediate reply will be to complain that the Zodiak line requires re-running all this content that they have run 100s of times. So what? It was a choice the player made because they had to grind out the Zodiak stages as quickly as possible. Game content should not be adjusted to allow it to be facerolled to save impatient people from actually playing it.