Pros and Cons: Jobs (PvP)

I thought I might make a list of the pros and cons every job has in Frontlines Secure/Slaughter and Wolves' Den.

Mainly to help others who may not know what tools other jobs have.

2.4 Patch also introduced bonus vulnerabilities and damage increase to jobs/classes.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...18d0d45bf52d59
If I miss anything, please correct me.


KEY: D.D. = Damage Dealt, Physical V. = Physical Vulnerability, Magic V. = Magic Vulnerability


Paladin - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -20% ~ Magic V. -10%

--Pros:
• High HP/Least likely to get targeted.
• Hallowed Ground and other defensive buffs to dissuade targeting.
• Can redirect physical damage from ally to self - (Cover)
• Cleanses Heavy/Bind and grants immunity to knockback/draw-in - (Tempered Will)
• STR Down 10% - (Rage of Halone)
• AoE Damage Taken reduction for party 15%/25% - (Testudo)
• Vulnerability Up 10%/20% - (Full Swing)
• Longest Stun Lock capability - (Shield Bash)
• Silence - (Spirits Within)
• Conal Knock back - (Glory Slash)
• Buff Remover - (Glory Slash)
• Pacification, requires blocking an attack* - (Shield Swipe)
• AoE Blind** - (Flash)
• Can Stoneskin/Cure to assist Healer***
• Grants VIT buff to party - (Frontlines, Wolves’ Den forces a Tank)
• Tank Adrenaline

*The requirement to have to block can be rare to do unless Covering an ally. (Unless playing Frontlines: Slaughter)
**Blind tends to only work on opponents aiming for minimal accuracy.
***Can help casters to cast with the stoneskin, but [Cure] isn’t remotely as potent as WHM’s.

--Cons:
• Tank Limit Break
• Low/Medium Damage
• Weak Burst
• Very Weak AoE Damage
• Rage of Halone’s animation is very long i.e. hard to interrupt with
• Easily CC’d
• More than one tank not as favorable in Frontlines: Slaughter

Warrior - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -20% ~ Magic V. -10%

--Pros:
• High HP/Least likely to get targeted.
• Defensive buffs to dissuade targeting.
• Medium Burst* - (as a Tank)
• Can draw-in a target to self - (Holmgang)
• Very High Self-Heals - (Thrill of Battle, Second Wind, Bloodbath, Inner Beast, Storm’s Path)
• AoE Party Heal/HP Buff 15%/25% MAX HP - (Thrill of War)
• Vulnerability Up 10%/20% - (Full Swing)
• Slashing Resist Down 10%/Heals on target reduction 20%- (Storm’s Eye)
• Damage dealt decrease on target 10%- (Storm’s Path)
• Stun - (Brutal Swing)
• Bind - (Holmgang)
• AoE Stun/Knockback - (Mythril Tempest)
• Grants VIT buff to party - (Frontlines, Wolves’ Den forces a Tank)
• Tank Adrenaline

*Warrior’s overall damage isn’t necessarily good or bad.

--Cons:
• Tank Limit Break
• Butcher’s Block animation is very long i.e. hard to interrupt with
• Berserk self-inflicts Pacification.
• Holmgang also locks caster in place.
• Mediocre AoE Damage
• Easily CC’d
• Heavy kills them
• More than one tank not as favorable in Frontlines: Slaughter

Dark Knight - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -20% ~ Magic V. -10%

N/A

Monk - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -15% ~ Magic V. -10%

--Pros:
• High Burst
• Shortened GCD - (Greased Lightning)
• Can increase movement speed - (Fist of Wind)
• Enhanced Mantra
• Gap Closer* - (Shoulder Tackle)
• Medium Self-Heals (Third Wind, Recouperate, Bloodbath)
• Brief CC and Knockback Immunity** - (Fetter Ward)
• INT/Blunt Resist Down 10% - (Dragon Kick)
• Stun (Steel Peak & Shoulder Tackle)
• AoE Pacification - (Axe Kick)
• AoE Silence (Arm of the Destroyer)
• Slow - (Haymaker & Feint)
• Spell Speed Down 30%/50% - (Somersault)
• Buff Remover - (One Ilm Punch)
• Sprint Remover - (Weapon Throw)
• Grants STR buff to party
• Melee DPS Limit Break and Adrenaline

*Shoulder Tackle has a stunned tied to it making it not always ok to use.
**Fetter Ward has a short duration, long CD. Also not entirely sure if it makes you immune to knockbacks.

--Cons:
• Heavily position based causing many weaponskills to suffer reduced potency.
• Has to maintain Greased Lightning to upkeep damage.
• Sub-par AOE Damage.
• Once Fetter Ward is gone, becomes susceptible to CC.
• Heavy kills them
• Only ranged attack is Weapon Throw
• Not favorable in Frontlines: Slaughter[72man]

Dragoon - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -15% ~ Magic V. -10%

--Pros:
• Very High Burst
• Highest HP after Tanks
• Medium AoE Damage
• Gap Closers* - (Spineshatter Dive & Dragonfire Dive; not sure if Elusive Jump counts)
• Cleanses Heavy/Bind - (Elusive Jump)
• High/Medium Self-Heals - (Life Surge, Second Wind, Recouperate, Bloodbath)
• Brief CC and Knockback Immunity** - (Fetter Ward)
• Piercing Resist Down 10%- (Disembowel)
• Stun - (Leg Sweep & Spineshatter Dive)
• Slow - (Enhanced Feint)
• INT Down 20/40% - (Skewer)
• Sprint Remover - (Weapon throw)
• Grants STR buff to party
• Melee DPS Limit Break and Andrenaline

*Spineshatter Dive has a stun tied to it making it not always ok to use.
** Fetter Ward has a short duration, long CD. Also not entirely sure if it makes you immune to knockbacks.

--Cons:
• Once Fetter Ward is gone, becomes susceptible to CC.
• Only Melee DPS without increased movement speed.
• Only Melee DPS without shortened GCD.
• Blood for Blood is a big part of their Damage.
• Chaos Thrust’s animation is long i.e. making it hard to interrupt with
• Not favorable in Frontlines: Slaughter[72man]

Ninja - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -15% ~ Magic V. -10%

--Pros:
• Very High Burst
• Shortened GCD - (Huton)
• Inherit increase to movement speed
• Reduced Falling Damage (Frontlines)
• Gap Closer - (Overwhelm, not sure if Shukuchi counts)
• Vulnerability Up 10% - (Trick Attack)
• Slashing Resist Down 10%/Heals on target reduction 20% - (Dancing Edge)
• Reveal Hidden Ninjas - (Detect)
• Can stealth* - (Hide)
• Good escape options - (Hide, CC, Shukuchi)
• Stun - (Overwhelm & Jugulate)
• Silence/AoE Silence - (Jugulate/Ill Wind)
• Slow - (Feint & Haymaker)
• Bind - (Hyoton)
• Grounded Heavy** - (Doton)
• Sprint Remover - (Weapon Throw)
• Grants DEX buff to party
• Melee DPS Limit Break and Adrenaline

*Have to be out of combat.
** Best time to be used is in Frontlines, grounded, and can break CCs

--Cons:
• Some damaging/utility/buff abilities are locked into the same CD
• Ninjutsus can be interrupted mid-cast; especially on NA/EU servers
• Poor AoE Damage
• Easily CC’d
• Heavy Kills them
• Low Self-Heals - (Second Wind, Recouperate)
• Generally easier to kill than MNK/DRG
• Not favorable in Frontlines: Slaughter[72man]

Bard - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic V. -10%

--Pros:
• Ranged DPS
• Very/High Burst
• Freedom of movement whilst DPSing
• Excels at interrupting Casters/Healers
• Songs
o Manasong – Instant MP 25%/40% for party
o Foe Requiem – Magic Resist Down 10%/20%
• Reveal Hidden Ninjas - (Detect)
• Silence - (Blunt Arrow)
• Bind - (Shadowbind)
• [Short]Ranged 5y AoE knockback - (Blast Shot)
• AoE Evasion Down 10% - (Rain of Death)
• Slow - (Feint)
• Grants DEX buff to party
• Healer Adrenaline

--Cons:
• Healer Limit Break
• Damage is reduced depending on distance from target.
o 15y = 100% Damage. 10y or 17y = 80% Damage. 7y or 20y = 50% Damage. Melee Range or Max Range = 40% Damage. Follow this link for more details http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ard-and-Archer . TY Popoto
• Meh AoE Damage
• Low Self-Heals - (Second Wind, Recouperate)
• Easily CC’d

Machinist - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic V. -10%

N/A

Black Mage - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic V. -15%

--Pros:
• Ranged DPS
• Extremely High Burst
• Excels in AoE Damage
• Reduce incoming magic damage to ally 20% - (Apocatastasis)
• Eye for an Eye
• STR/DEX Down 15% - (Virus)
• Magic Resist Down 10% - (Phantom Dart)
• AoE Skill Speed Down 30%/50% - (Aetheric Burst)
• Good escape options - (Aetherial manipulation, AoE CCs)
• AoE Sleep - (Sleep & Nightwing)
• AoE Bind - (Blizzard II & Freeze)
• Heavy - (Blizzard & Lethargy)
• Slow - (Lethargy)
• Grants INT buff to party
• Caster Limit Break and Adrenaline*

*This alone makes them Godlike in Frontlines: Slaughter. Please nerf

--Cons:
• Cast can be interrupted by attacks/CCs, including pet’s attacks
• Cast Times
• Self-Heal requires cast, and is weak
• Easily CC’d

Summoner - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic V. -15%

--Pros:
• Ranged DPS
• Absurdly High Burst
• High AoE Damage
• Most attack spells require no cast time
• Egis
• Eye for an Eye
• STR/DEX/INT/MND Down 15% - (Supervirus)
• Range reduction on target 20%/30% - (Misty Veil)
• AoE Skill Speed Reduction 30%/50% - (Aetheric Burst)
• Disease - (Miasma & Miasma II)
• AoE Bind - (Tri-Disaster & Blizzard II)
• Stun* - (Titan & Ifrit)
• Knockback* - (Garuda)
• Blind - (Ruin II)
• Buff Remover - (Wither)
• Grounded Slow** - (Shadow Flare)
• Grants INT buff to party
• Caster Limit Break and Adrenaline***

*Egis can be unresponsive
**Best time to be used is in Frontlines, grounded, and can break CCs
***This alone makes them Godlike in Frontlines: Slaughter. Please nerf

--Cons:
• Cast can be interrupted by attacks/CCs, including pet’s attacks
• Not many defensive options
• DoTs (main source of damage) can be purified by opponents or cleansed by Esuna or Healer/Bard Adrenaline
• Self-Heals only from Energy Drain, and weak Physick
• Aetherflow Stacks can be removed
• Upon death, Egi de-spawns and Aetherflow stacks are lost.
• Egis can wonder off in Frontlines and can de-spawn
• Easily CC’d

White Mage - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic V. -20%

N/A

Scholar - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic V. -20%

N/A

Astrologian - Bonuses: D.D. +10% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic. V. -20%

N/A

I don’t feel like listing other WHM and SCH stuff since they’d be in their own category. If someone else wishes to post their points, I’ll put it up here.

"Class Vulnerabilities", not listing pros and cons for them since they are bad, MRD maybe being the only exception.

Gladiator..........Bonuses : D.D. ±0% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic V. ±0%
Marauder.........Bonuses: D.D. ±0% ~ Physical V. -10% ~ Magic V. ±0%
Pugilist.............Bonuses: D.D ±0% ~ Physical V. -5% ~ Magic V. ±0%
Lancer..............Bonuses: D.D. ±0% ~ Physical V. -5% ~ Magic V ±0%
Rouge..............Bonuses: D.D. ±0% ~ Physical V. -5% ~ Magic V. ±0%
Archer..............Bonuses: D.D. ±0% ~ Physical V. ±0% ~ Magic V. ±0%
Thaumaturge....Bonuses: D.D. ±0% ~ Physical V ±0% ~ Magic V. -5%
Arcanist...........Bonuses: D.D. ±0% ~ Phyiscal V. ±0% ~ Magic V. -5%
Conjurer..........Bonuses: D.D. ±0% ~ Physical V. ±0% ~ Magic V. -10%

Bard range needs to be given more detail because the mechanic is completely unmentioned outside of patch notes once.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ard-and-Archer

should add this to the bard list. cool of you to list everything like this though.

lmao love the last lines for both casters. Good write-up.

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Originally Posted by Potatoes

Bard range needs to be given more detail because the mechanic is completely unmentioned outside of patch notes once.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ard-and-Archer

should add this to the bard list. cool of you to list everything like this though.

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Thank you Popoto, updated.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Thank you Popoto, updated.

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Your link to it in the OP is broken, by the way. Its directing to a truncated version of the full link. Not a big deal though, figured I'd point it out.

You forgot one thing for NIN:

--Pros:

• we look da coolest***

***running animation preference subjective to class size and race.

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Originally Posted by Soular

Your link to it in the OP is broken, by the way. Its directing to a truncated version of the full link. Not a big deal though, figured I'd point it out.

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Fixed, thank you.

You forgot one of the most annoying one as summoner!
You die, you spawn, and you have to wait 1 min for aetherflow and no swiftcast so need to spend some extra time summoning that silly thing while the rest of your teammates just spawn and mount up and run away.

I hadn't thought of this before, but whether a stat buff granted to the party is stackable (which I don't know) can make them a pro or con depends on the party makeup. If you have 4 casters and 1 Bard and 1 Monk and 2 Healers, then the Bard's DEX buff and the Melee's STR buff benefit no other players, whereas the INT and MIND buffs can help all the casters as well as the healers.

If these stack then a party with 6 casters where each one gets a + INT boost from the other 5 casters makes them even more powerful vs a mixed party.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

I hadn't thought of this before, but whether a stat buff granted to the party is stackable (which I don't know) can make them a pro or con depends on the party makeup. If you have 4 casters and 1 Bard and 1 Monk and 2 Healers, then the Bard's DEX buff and the Melee's STR buff benefit no other players, whereas the INT and MIND buffs can help all the casters as well as the healers.

If these stack then a party with 6 casters where each one gets a + INT boost from the other 5 casters makes them even more powerful vs a mixed party.

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Unfortunately, the buffs don't stack, the buff gives roughly 3% of that stat granted to the party. I should probably make it so INT and DEX buffs aren't pros, since the only ones who benefit from it are the ones giving it. DEX being a very small boost to party, parry/block rate. And INT only boosting Healer damage, cuz lol Please bring Cleric Stance back Healer damage.

Updated the vulnerability stuff.

LOL I'm sure there is a lot of good substance here... but I couldn't force myself to read past this under paladin .... "High HP/Least likely to get targeted." Someone has not played a tank in slaughter mode...

If there was a PLD, WAR, and MNK attacking/charging your group who would you attack first. Pretty sure most would say the MNK.

Tanks are only ever targetted first in slaughter because they're the only ones brave enough to be in range. When there is only 1 target they then become the most likely and least likely target.
The moment a NIN/MNK/DRG/lolBRD/etc. gets in range, people switch targets (unless the tank is pretty much dead) to them because they are indisputably easier to kill.

When teams rush the opposing team the last ones to ever die are the tanks.

Also Frontlines:Slaughter is only 1 of 3 modes for PvP. Attacking (does not include CCs) the tanks first are considered idiotic and a waste of time in the other 2 modes.

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LOL I'm sure there is a lot of good substance here... but I couldn't force myself to read past this under paladin .... "High HP/Least likely to get targeted." Someone has not played a tank in slaughter mode...

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It's a good write-up, really. As he already replied, that part is true. 95% of the time as tank I need to be in the heart of an enemy crowd in Slaughter to be paid any mind. Forget about Secure and WD.

SMN:
Con: No useful CC, inability to peel,
Pro: Self-heal, can rape multiple people simultaneously

tri disaster is one of the most OP cc's in the game

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SMN:
Con: No useful CC, inability to peel,
Pro: Self-heal, can rape multiple people simultaneously

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SMNs can certainly rape multiple people at once, this is true. Self-heal not that great.

Tri-Disaster is a very good CC, and a good peeling tool.

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SMNs can certainly rape multiple people at once, this is true. Self-heal not that great.

Tri-Disaster is a very good CC, and a good peeling tool.

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Kinda hard to cast Tri-Disaster with melee in your face but if we're talking about Slaughter or getting the first attack its pretty useful.

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Kinda hard to cast Tri-Disaster with melee in your face but if we're talking about Slaughter or getting the first attack its pretty useful.

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However, its still useful for CCing and Peeling. Swiftcast.

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However, its still useful for CCing and Peeling. Swiftcast.

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Oh yeah, forgot about that lol. Touche good sir.

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Kinda hard to cast Tri-Disaster with melee in your face but if we're talking about Slaughter or getting the first attack its pretty useful.

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Also, it's not only useful for saving your own skin- up close, then yeah you pretty much have to use Swiftcast for it to work,but if you're peeling players off ANOTHER party member like your healer- Tri-disaster's ranged AOE bind is perfect for that and you can often step back and get away with simply hardcasting it if swiftcast is down or you want to save it for later. I can't say I've seen it done a lot on my behalf when on SCH and having 3 melee's on me... but I think it's one of the biggest favors a Summoner can do their team's Healers in battle.

Do Classes gain the DD/DR/MDR bonuses too? or just the Jobs? I tend to run my Marauder a lot

Classes have minimal bonuses (Archer has none). The bonuses were mainly for balancing and somewhat nerfing classes. Ill list them too for clarity, reread main post, editting it