Winning an item via GREED shouldn't lock you out of rolling NEED

It just doesn't make much sense to begin with, and led to an incredibly confusing and frustrating scenario, when a Monk chest dropped from the Cloud of Darkness, and to my absolute horror, I discovered that I was unable to roll because I had apparently won a Bard belt earlier off of a GREED roll, nevermind the fact that my Archer class is still at lvl 1.

More than that, the entire group passed, meaning that not only was I unable to roll Need, but the item actually got erased right in front of my eyes!

It's just nonsensical design, and lends itself to frustrating first-time scenarios just like this. Please consider changing how this is handled in the future.

They explained these rules from the start. One piece of loot per week. You rolled for a piece of loot and won it for a class you don't even have because of your own foolishness and inability to read then you want the rules changed to suit you?

Allowing to win an infinite amount of gear by just greeding would lead to premade parties farming the hell out of those places by just defining who will "greed" on certain pieces while the rest of the party passes. Essentially everyone could get all of the loot they want for all of their mains/twinks in one week.

The drop rules are clear in that dungeon. Also, a warning notification pops up when the loot window does reminding you basically 'you get one drop a week'. So 100% on you for rolling on an item for your lvl 1 Archer, instead of passing it.

Furthermore, you saw NOTHING wrong with rolling on a 'greed' item for a role you literally haven't even played let alone can equip the gear on yet. What if someone else in your party, who DID have a level 50 bard they played as an alt role also rolled against you as greed on that? You don't care that you won a roll for your level 1 against their level 50...but you DO care that a Monk body you could use now for your guy landed on the floor.

The system is fine, your expectations are however, not. In general, you shouldn't role on level 50 gear for roles you haven't even leveled yet (regardless what the dungeon loot rules are in that instance). Even if the item falls to the floor because no one 'rolled', you couldn't use it anyway. Save your rolls for gear you can actually use now.

And if you want gear for a specific role, run the duty on THAT job, and roll need for that item. You will likely get it.

It's about as fair a system as SE can make.

PS: what others have said above is also true.

I totally should have passed, at this point it's just been habit from playing other MMO's, I didn't even think. So yeah, in all honesty, that was pretty crappy on my part. Wish I could give the item to someone else who'd been in the raid (in fact, think a GM-Ticket would do anything like that?)

Similarly, the idea that you're penalized for rolling Greed is just another strange notion to me. I think it's awesome to prevent a person from winning more than one Main-Spec item a week, and you certainly shouldn't be eligible for loot more than once a week, but since you're only doing one run a week, it's just strange that items should actually be *DESTROYED*.

I'll have to look through and see if I can find the active-help window for the loot rules, but I definitely didn't see anything of any particular consequence pop up while running World of Darkness for the first time lastnight. I mean, I know *now*, and I suppose it's not some world-ending issue in hindsight, but it was definitely frustrating at the time.

Wow, just wow. So, for three Crystal Tower raids now, spanning over a year, there was a one-item weekly lock out rule on gear. So, because you weren't paying attention (or just trying to be greedy), you want the whole system re-worked?

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Originally Posted by Terin

it's just strange that items should actually be *DESTROYED*.

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Not strange at all. Nobody rolls = nobody wants (or at least, nobody wants to burn their weekly loot on) = nobody should cry that it disappears. Are you saying that loot nobody rolls on should be given free to somebody without burning their weekly loot? Now *that* is a really strange idea, because that would break the one item per week rule and open the door to all kinds of abuse.

Anyway, like others have brought up. Why even roll greed on an item you have zero current use for anyway? Unless you can equip, your retainer can equip, or you can desynth or turn in for GC seals...that item is just inventory -1 for you. I personally find that part of your story the strangest thing of all.

I only started raiding a few weeks ago, for the record.

Typically, you roll Greed on items you might use down the road, or at least that is how it has always been in other MMO's. That you are penalized for doing so if just a totally alien concept to me. I don't know, I'll have to sit down and really consider the long-term implications -- maybe it's a better system after all -- but it's definitely a system-shock, coming from virtually any other game, including FFXIV itself prior to WoD.

I accidently hit greed before, worst mistake of my life the description just isn't clear enough. Just lockout of pressing Greed please as this is just a pain.

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Originally Posted by BrianJ

I accidently hit greed before, worst mistake of my life the description just isn't clear enough. Just lockout of pressing Greed please as this is just a pain.

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Seems like quite the hyperbole there.

You are not penalised for rolling greed.
You also cannot get more loot if you rolled need for something else earlier.
You are penalised because you already got loot.
If you are not penalised for winning with greed, all premade parties will can greed only = infinite loot

They need an extra confirmation to pop up before the loot is given to you, just to really make sure you wanted the item.. I hit greed by accident and locked for the week since I could not cancel the input.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

They need an extra confirmation to pop up before the loot is given to you, just to really make sure you wanted the item.. I hit greed by accident and locked for the week since I could not cancel the input.

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Greed and pass are very different words there really isn't any way you can do this by mistake. At the top of the loot box there is a warning that explains the loot lockout. Try reading and checking what the loot is before you roll on something you can hover over it and check what class it's for and the stats you can even try it on.

thats what ya get for gettin greedy

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

Greed and pass are very different words there really isn't any way you can do this by mistake. At the top of the loot box there is a warning that explains the loot lockout. Try reading and checking what the loot is before you roll on something you can hover over it and check what class it's for and the stats you can even try it on.

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ive accidently hit greed when i meant to pass in dungeons before, if everyone rolls on an item and it leaves the little loot window, it will make your cursor move to the leftmost item tile, its actually really fucking annoying and it interrupts you
time it wrong and you just might hit the wrong button, especially when it keeps going back and forth on things that you can and cant need on

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Originally Posted by aisustrong

thats what ya get for gettin greedy



ive accidently hit greed when i meant to pass in dungeons before, if everyone rolls on an item and it leaves the little loot window, it will make your cursor move to the leftmost item tile, its actually really fucking annoying and it interrupts you
time it wrong and you just might hit the wrong button, especially when it keeps going back and forth on things that you can and cant need on

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Lawl console problems.

OP, I know everyone is guilting you about the belt being taken by you and not going to someone else. This may or may not make you feel better--the stats on it are garbage and it can't even be used for glamour--no one wants it and it must likely would have hit the floor.

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Originally Posted by Terin

It just doesn't make much sense to begin with, and led to an incredibly confusing and frustrating scenario, when a Monk chest dropped from the Cloud of Darkness, and to my absolute horror, I discovered that I was unable to roll because I had apparently won a Bard belt earlier off of a GREED roll, nevermind the fact that my Archer class is still at lvl 1.

More than that, the entire group passed, meaning that not only was I unable to roll Need, but the item actually got erased right in front of my eyes!

It's just nonsensical design, and lends itself to frustrating first-time scenarios just like this. Please consider changing how this is handled in the future.

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You do realize that Need and Greed are just different priorities on the same roll right? You get 1 item per week regardless of how you roll for it. Greed rolls aren't somehow exempt from this rule because they are still loot rolls.

/chuckle

/sigh

/oh hey! what's that over there....

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Originally Posted by Terin

Similarly, the idea that you're penalized for rolling Greed is just another strange notion to me. I think it's awesome to prevent a person from winning more than one Main-Spec item a week, and you certainly shouldn't be eligible for loot more than once a week, but since you're only doing one run a week, it's just strange that items should actually be *DESTROYED*.

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You do realize that you can run World of Darkness as many times as you want, right? You're not locked out of the raid for the week. Just gear. I ran it many times last week, trying to get the piece of gear I wanted. And even after you've been awarded a piece of gear, you can still run it. You just can't claim any more gear.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

They need an extra confirmation to pop up before the loot is given to you, just to really make sure you wanted the item.. I hit greed by accident and locked for the week since I could not cancel the input.

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I think we have enough confirmation windows in the game already. Yet another confirmation window every single time a chest drops would just be annoying.

For accidental rolls, though, I do wish that the game would still let you select pass even after rolling need/greed. As I remember, FFXI let you do this.

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Originally Posted by Terin

I'll have to look through and see if I can find the active-help window for the loot rules, but I definitely didn't see anything of any particular consequence pop up while running World of Darkness for the first time lastnight.

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It says it for you just above the loot window - you are only able to do this once per week earth time.

It is also written at the bottom of the DutyFinder.

Wait.... Does this kick in at a certain level? Because I've greeded a few things and won them =\ in the last couple of days and I've still been able to need on class items. A link to the available info is fine, I've just never come across this and would like to be ready

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Originally Posted by noobalmost

Wait.... Does this kick in at a certain level? Because I've greeded a few things and won them =\ in the last couple of days and I've still been able to need on class items. A link to the available info is fine, I've just never come across this and would like to be ready

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No, it currently only applies to World of Darkness and Final Coil, as those are the only two raids with loot lockouts. You can Need/Greed as much as you want anywhere else.

So what OP is saying, is ever since ST it never crossed his mind to actually read the lock out rule and now he is wanting more gear because of his own impulsive behavior? No bueno.

Loot system for final coils and WoD is as good as can be expected, after SE want people to play the content for as long as possible. Undoubtedly they will follow the ST example in due time, but for now the system is pretty fair, and, to the OP, dude, really? Rolling on gear for a class u don't have ranked is kinda dumb imo, especially as it cant be desynthed or traded for seals. Rank that bard!

I honestly like this
I want to gear up war, drg and whm and I can actually roll on something without the entire god damn party rolling the highest priority they can on literally every single piece of loot, even for shit they'll never use for a class they haven't even hit level 1 in, or gear that is a blatant downgrade to what they have on

greedy little fucks

Winning an item locks you out of rewards until the next reset... it's that simple. It has been stated in the patch notes and I think it even warns about the lockout before you roll it.


On the other hand, I think they should just remove FCoB chest lockout and replace it with 1 win per week. A person can go weeks of T10-13 without any gear...

Having actually read all the replies I won't repeat what others have said, but I will add something:

Up until WoD I had never ran into the loot lockout. Not all of us started at launch, or are we hardcore raiders. I still have not finished SCoB. So due to me moving at my own pace if I were to have come upon WoD without reading the patch notes it would have probably surprised me. It did not though as I do read patch notes.

Again, WoD is the first dungeon I have come to that has loot lockout still in effect.

As much as we hate it, it is here. And it will stay here until SE releases it, like they have in the past. The lockout is fine. It is the gear generator that is broken. It is a large pool of gear to choose from with only 8 players to provide for. Many times it delivers gear that hits the floor....many, many times. I think the adjustment needs to happen on the generation side, not the lockout. Gotta keep people playing the content for a bit.

This past week was a casual week for me, got in about 35 WoD's or so, looking for the caster hat. It dropped once. I lost to the other BLM that had the DW head piece and wanted it for his retainer.....so that was awesome. The disappointment in this situation is not his need over mine, but the fact that out of the 35 runs only once was the hat generated. So to not bang my head up against that wall again, I greeded on the NIN body that dropped and won, figured I needed it more than the floor.

It is what it is though, right?

I rolled need on "accident"
I also said that when i ninja'd my static tank's tanking coat.

Works every time, am i right?

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Originally Posted by Terin

I only started raiding a few weeks ago, for the record.

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For the record, every time you click on the loot list (which you have access to even if you are locked, which your good self have also proven it), there is a text that says something along the line of:

"You can only obtain one piece of gear or gear enhancing material per week (Earth Hours)."

SE made that every effort to warn every one.