Solution: Make S/A ranks tougher.

Would it be possible to tie Hunt damage and HP to server population? And, overall, make them tougher? I feel the best way to reduce "early pulls" is by having some measure of certainty that if there arnt enough people there everyone who is engaged, dies.

EDIT: oh and levelsync them like a fate so it doesnt matter how overgeared you are.

They already are plenty tough for casual content, it's just that everyone in all worlds are doing them because the rewards are the most current and shiny at the moment. If they were made any tougher you'll have the same situation in a few months as you did during 2.4x; not enough people doing hunts to reliably kill them.

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Originally Posted by Darsho

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Don't forget the fact that these hunt marks are the same as they were in 2.3. We're two content patches ahead and we're steamrolling them in 2.5 gear. That can account for the stupidly fast deaths.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Don't forget the fact that these hunt marks are the same as they were in 2.3. We're two content patches ahead and we're steamrolling them in 2.5 gear. That can account for the stupidly fast deaths.

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Exactly!

Thx for the idea, updating OP.

I was thinking about this earlier when a FC mate of mine said she skips all A ranks now. IIRC, original hunts were set to 4, 8, and 24? people, but 100 showed up for B ranks so SE decided to increase mob hp. Then rewards were nerfed and SE dropped the hp back down (and changed how B ranks were done entirely), right? So what we have now is buffed rewards again, but not the increased hunt mob hp.

No matter what, hunt mobs are being vaporized in seconds*... even during way off peak hours on a supposedly not-so-populated server. :/

Something needs to be done.

*literally... we timed one A rank mob's death to 15 seconds. ><

Linking hunt mob HP and power to server population is a HORRIBLE idea. That means that, when the craze finally ends (likely because Heavensward launched), NOBODY will be able to kill the hunt mobs because it's impossible to get a few hundred people together to kill one monster for out-of-date rewards.

A BETTER solution is to stop pretending that Hunt marks aren't unmarked NM FATEs, and scale them based off the number of people that fought them last, and then have them despawn after a set amount of time. B ranks obviously don't need this as they are now, A Ranks can stick around for about 12-18 hours (with the respawn timer starting at the time they spawn rather than the time they die), and S-ranks lasting an entire day/day-and-a-half. Oh, and also make it so they're non-hostile by default, so they don't inconvenience people that don't want to deal with Hunts.

However, the BEST solution, would be to MAKE THEM WORK LIKE THEY DID IN FINAL FANTASY XII! Seriously, between Levequests and Treasure Maps, they've literally got all the systems in place to do something like that...

Also, while we're talking about solutions to problems, it'd be nice if SE would finally lift the 1000 character cap on initial posts...

You cant offer a solution where no problem exists. The hunts were not designed to be killed by the whole server there's supposed to be competition, sure its nice when people wait for you but if you are trying and failing to get full cred solo that's not the games problem, some full parties can't get max cred if there's too many people.

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Originally Posted by Zephyranthes

Instead of this, I'd rather they change how participation works. It will be extremely helpful to make it manageable getting full credit without a group.

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You aren't supposed to be able to get full credit without a group, heres another idea how 'bout every time a hunt is killed everyone on the server is issued seals *end sarcasm* since you want everything handed to you any way

Id love to see A and s ranks get a huge jump in hp. hunts are ridic on big servers. I tried to hunt and by the time the -main- hunt ls found and called, it was already claimed and dead before people finished teleporting. It's a bad system imo. I wouldn't mind seeing weekly board b's go to daily, that would help too

Yeah. Some form of HP scaling absolutely needs to be implemented so that when they're popular we aren't just melting them and when they aren't popular smaller groups of people can still do them. A level sync isn't a bad idea either, especially since level cap is going to be raised soon.

Instead of this, I'd rather they change how participation works. It will be extremely helpful to make it manageable getting full credit without a group.

Case 1: Player A solo attacking from 100%-0% of mob HP --- bronze credit
Case 2: Player B in a group landing a single attack --- full credit

Rank As are designed to be killed by a single group within a couple of minutes. 8 players and 60+ players are just too great of a difference to bring in any reasonable adjustment.

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Originally Posted by Set-Abominae

You cant offer a solution where no problem exists. The hunts were not designed to be killed by the whole server there's supposed to be competition....

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Where did you get this idea? Hunts are a search and destroy, sure. A competition? plz provide a ref for this statement.

...or they could just stop tying the equivalent of end-game rewards to this incredibly annoying and toxic (yet trash-tier) gameplay system.

Maintain Hunts as a source for special GC glamours, minions, and supplemental Alexandrite, but keep the casual/reduced-RNG upgrade path in WoD-level content or by associated quest like with Carboncoat.

A better idea is to put the same system in place in fates already and put it into hunt mobs. Mob HP is based on the amount of people who were on the threat list on the last kill. That way it's flexible when participation decreases.

i agree with tiggy it should be like fates were adjusted a while ago the more people in the zone the harder he is scales hp/ def etc

as well more ways to add seals

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-allied-seals-.....

Just wish they treated this like levequest, it can be only targetable by you or party once accepted hunt, it would still have the same rules as current hunts still have to go look for it. The hunts would also scale up/down depending on how many in your group and take away bs we currently have imo.

Hunt mobs used to be fun. One or 2 parties were always running in PF. You tell people you were on your way and they would wait. Now it's just a bunch of jerks that excel at being premature in-game and off.

I don't mind the influx of people even though a substantial portion of them are elitist raiders. But, the low HP of these mobs is making even paying attention to calls a giant waste of my time.

Please just scale them to HP of last amount of people that killed it like fates.

A and S rank should take 10 mins to kill not just hack slash.

the problem is the weekly quest from wod offers right side upgrade items only. they have no other options for left side other then last stages of coil they need other options for seals for a long time now as we as some sort of option / weekly quest for a left side upgrade as well.

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A better idea is to put the same system in place in fates already and put it into hunt mobs. Mob HP is based on the amount of people who were on the threat list on the last kill. That way it's flexible when participation decreases.

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I agree with this very much, this would maybe also fix the issue with hunt groups in which they don't bother to do much dps because hey they are in full groups and will get the credit regardless. Currently certain hunt groups try to control hunts too much and abuse it, at least on Leviathan one group in particular