Bone Dragon Trolling

Kind of tired of seeing end-game trolls wipe out the other teams by ignoring the Bone Dragon's mechanics in Labyrinth of the Ancients.

Would like to see it do more damage when you don't handle the Platinals correctly, garuanteeing a wipe if you miss more than 2 like it was when the content was originally implemented.

Can't think of a single reason why people shouldn't have to handle the mechanics the way they're supposed to.

What are you talking about? I see people screw up this mechanic so much that wipes happen anyway. The only reason you think there should be a bigger punishment is because everyone is overgeared now. And even if people get by the bone dragon's mechanic, the later fights are more unforgiving.

You're complaining about Bone Dragon? Try going an entire KB fight with the DoT constantly hitting. It frustrating as hell to have to run over and activate the tower as a healer, especially if Meteor is coming soon.

Not always trolls some people are just that bad. Often get new people too since it's a quest to start off the whole CT chain which is why you often see the soldiery bonus in there. At a push when things go to hell the bone dragon damage can be healed through but depends if groups stack around healers. As for KB it's a frustrating fight in general when people don't understand what goes where and what tower they are on. Not just that but it's frustrating when you get dumb healers who don't understand to stack regen on the MT and keep an eye on their HP so he dies and KB kills everyone. If i don' see the same number of regens on the MT as WHMs in the raid i just want to punch whoever is slacking.

I've seen many people ignore mechanics on this entire raid. Skellies on Bone Dragon, Bombs on every stage, people leaving the atomos platform, Adds on Thantos or people just DPSing boss without being "ghost" form and tanks not swapping, iron giants running amok, comets being placed on behemoth (which is useless), people ignoring claws or not running to the platforms on last boss. I know some people are new, but it's their responsibility to let the party know so they can get instructions. Only reason I run this is for the weekly. Otherwise <No Thanks>

CT is a cluster of bad players in all three instances quite often. It's nice when you get a good raid and people communicate and help one another instead of trolling and being a complete a$$hat. The past few instances of WoD have been so immature I have been tempted to stop running it.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

You're complaining about Bone Dragon? Try going an entire KB fight with the DoT constantly hitting. It frustrating as hell to have to run over and activate the tower as a healer, especially if Meteor is coming soon.

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I think the tower automatically 'stops' itself when Meteor is being cast.

This is what you get when:

1. People have not ran this place in a while and have forgotten mechanics.
2. Over inflated gear allows you to just not handle mechanics. Inflated health and healing power will let you survive.
3. Because of #2 new people coming in are not really learning the dungeon.
4. Those fairly late to the game only ran LotA once to unlock ST, so they then farmed ST endlessly.
5. Everything gets dumbed down to an aoe zergfest and trying to brute force your way through. As long as you win the fight who cares if half the raid is dead.

And now there's people trying to speed run the towers and not even wait for other teams to catch up.

OP, you want mechanics to be punishable for more challenging effort right? What about the rewards for that? If for some reason I had to deal with more punishing mechanics, but can only get i80 armor loot against 7 other people, I'm not sure I want to do that.

Want more challenging content? Then give more rewarding effort. :p

Let's not make this become another hardcore-idiocy suggestion please. ^^;

Just laugh it off. Every single time people die from an unexpected Ancient Flare (with TP users having to Sprint to platforms) in Crystal Tower, I laugh so damn hard. When World of Darkness' weekly quest first was done with my FC, we forgot about the pad mechanic completely with me screaming "WHERE'S THE PUDDLE?!"

Oh my gosh. So many laughs! *tear*

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

You're complaining about Bone Dragon? Try going an entire KB fight with the DoT constantly hitting. It frustrating as hell to have to run over and activate the tower as a healer, especially if Meteor is coming soon.

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You serious? People still activate towers these days?

People are so overgearred right now, they just Medica II/Medica through the fight and I think KB dies faster than T2 Enrage.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

OP, you want mechanics to be punishable for more challenging effort right? What about the rewards for that? If for some reason I had to deal with more punishing mechanics, but can only get i80 armor loot against 7 other people, I'm not sure I want to do that.

Want more challenging content? Then give more rewarding effort. :p

Let's not make this become another hardcore-idiocy suggestion please. ^^;

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Because the i80 gear is why people do CT these days, not that carboncoat or anything.

CT has actually been pretty entertaining lately. Players with i120-130 gear thinking they can just overpower the mechanics and wiping everyone. I do appreciate how much more well designed the trash mobs in CT are then in the later 24 mans.

Ran CT1 and (almost) saw an entire alliance of I115's or above wipe to Bone Dragon. It's hilarious. Somehow we managed to heal thru ignoring (forgetting?) the mechanics, but only by the skin of our teeth. I'm talking 100hp or less here in most cases. Forgot how clever the first tower really is.

I love this post.

I'm a WHM main whose only real fun is running Labyrinth of the Ancients ... a lot :x I have seen everything go wrong in that place. From 6 skeletons stacked on the middle platform during Bone Dragon, running out of Pots during Thanatos... Three napalms going off at once on Vassago Fight. To All four towers going off during King Behemoth. I've tanked Iron Giants, I've resurrected entire other teams, (Thank you bards.) I've stood on other groups Pads during last boss to avoid eating another Ancient Flare... I have Wiped on EVERY single fight in that place. Even the Second trash pull!!!! It's incredible.. some of the shit I've gone through.


In CT - If you know what to do... you need to do it for everyone else.

(things people don't understand: adds linking up on atomos, Black Vassagos, Magitech Cannon IG throws at comets... Cleaves...)

Saw my first wipe on Atomos the other day... good times. My entire party was just sort of laughing in disbelief because none of us had ever seen that happen before.

And then in the KB fight I had to man a tower because one of the tanks was off doing who-knows-what.

It's not trolling, people are honestly that stupid and think they can power through/ignore mechanics.

So basically what everyone is saying... it the whole thing hasn't changed in over a year and bad players are still bad players? Why is this a surprise?

On a side note... did they change the Acheron AOE design? I seem to remember it differently from back in the day.... If so, nice change.

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

On a side note... did they change the Acheron AOE design? I seem to remember it differently from back in the day.... If so, nice change.

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The only change to him (I call him Phlegmatron) is that it seems quite a few patches ago his Ancient Flare cast speed seems to be faster. Same mechanics otherwise.

But, despite the MANY queues to get back to pads, people still don't. Order of events:

1. The outer lava covering the pads will vanish.
2. 1 claw on each pad will spawn. After a short pause it will go grab the nearest person at the time that it spawned. If it is hit then it immediately grabs that person.
3. Phlegmatron's sword will change and turn red.
4. Phlegmatron will do 2 special attacks / AOEs.
5. Ancient Flare will start to cast.

While farming for lights on Scholar, I mostly will run CT and ST back to back. I find ST to be the easier of the two. CT, in my eyes seems to a have TONS of Trolls and not so good players in its ranks. I also find the AF geared, "I just got out of story mode players" better then the item level 110 -115 players in CT. Why?, I 've yet figure it out......

"remember this is just my opinion"

Yeah... mechanics were the same, but the actual AOE graphics were different (not just different variations of the red/back designs). I'll see if I can dig up some old footage so I know I'm not crazy. Or maybe I am.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

You're complaining about Bone Dragon? Try going an entire KB fight with the DoT constantly hitting. It frustrating as hell to have to run over and activate the tower as a healer, especially if Meteor is coming soon.

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thats the issues ive run into on KB as well, me as a Tank always for faster Ques, get yelled at and called dumb for pushing towers... Why should the healers be put under more stress for literally, no reason? I just dont get it.

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Originally Posted by Mykll

The only change to him (I call him Phlegmatron) is that it seems quite a few patches ago his Ancient Flare cast speed seems to be faster. Same mechanics otherwise.

But, despite the MANY queues to get back to pads, people still don't. Order of events:

1. The outer lava covering the pads will vanish.
2. 1 claw on each pad will spawn. After a short pause it will go grab the nearest person at the time that it spawned. If it is hit then it immediately grabs that person.
3. Phlegmatron's sword will change and turn red.
4. Phlegmatron will do 2 special attacks / AOEs.
5. Ancient Flare will start to cast.

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6. Everyone dies. :3

Is there any funnier site in this game than watching someone try to run back to the pad during Ancient Flare and not make it in time? Slumping over either in death or disgrace... It gets me every time.

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

Yeah... mechanics were the same, but the actual AOE graphics were different (not just different variations of the red/back designs). I'll see if I can dig up some old footage so I know I'm not crazy. Or maybe I am.

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Oh yeah. I don't remember what the AOE graphics looked like on him previously. I DO know there was that one patch that updated beam attacks (Last boss in Qarn) and updated chain/link graphics (like the Vassago links to the middle bomb). So there could very well have been other AOE graphics updates, but dang if I can remember what they originally looked like.

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Originally Posted by Byonka

6. Everyone dies. :3

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Even after pre-fight reminders, and reminders during, sadly, yes.

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

Is there any funnier site in this game than watching someone try to run back to the pad during Ancient Flare and not make it in time? Slumping over either in death or disgrace... It gets me every time.

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I LOVE that. Especially when they ragdoll collapse to the ground inside the shield. Little too late on crossing that finish line there buddy.

I used to love it when the claws were always ignored. So many tanks, healers or whoever caught in the back and eaten. I used to love it on my WAR, get stuck in a claw, not everyone gets back to pads, and Flare goes off about 20 times as I slowly die from the huge health pool.