Alliance que/partial alliance que

Please allow the ability to que with an alliance/partial alliance. Tonight we gathered 24 people only to realized we could not que together as a team... as friends.... :( Alliance queing needs to be added. We all qued at the same time only to be dissapointed yet again that we did not all get into the same match.

Although it would be fun, this would not be at all fair to the other 2 alliances. Premades absolutely destroy in frontlines. I have gone like 95%+ winrate with my premade. You literally cannot lose until you face another good premade.

So if they were to do this, it would have to be premades against premades.

So you are saying that people aren't allowed to group together because its not fair? Then they should remove party queing all together but that would make it so anti-social. That would be rediculous. This is an MMO you should allow people to do things together or they're not going to want to do them at all. Wolves den DIED because of that mentality. SE catered to it... and it killed the den. Even when people were getting completely facerolled in wolves den the ques were still really fast and people kept doing it... yeah people got mad b/c they lost... but they still qued... Now no one ques because everything has been separated into... noobs here... premades here... and no one knows which to que for anymore so ques are INSANELY slow so no one does it at all. On top of that they added a matching system that even matched ranked to make it even more fair..... this is where the "fair" path you are describing leads and it kills pvp.

There are already people that try to sync multiple parties into a FL queue. I can't say I've seen anyone quitting PvP because they couldn't queue as an alliance. Regardless of how much sway strong premades have, alliances may have a negative impact on the queue times for those who are of the same GC. I'm pretty sure that's the primary reason it is not allowed currently.

Side note: You uh, have it a lil backwards about Wolves' Den btw. It phased out initially because of certain job imbalances. It then phased out some more because morale was a broken stat, which caused further decline because new healers were crushed into never queuing again. The only ones who stuck around were a small bunch of strong-willed, die-hard PvP'ers.

Eh, thats now how I saw it go down. I didn't see it die until they added all the balance and fairness in rank etc. Maybe it was a combination of both of what we are talking about and we just see it differently. But i thought pvp was doing just fine even when it was not balanced based on skill/rank etc.

However, i do agree with you... people wont quit because they can't join in an alliance and with more friends... but they would be happier if they could non-the-less. Happy people play more. Going with friends makes people happy. Its also easier to lose with friends because you can joke about it. When you lose alone you just get upset and have no where to vent and its miserable.

ALSO, if you can que with more people and friends you have more people with whom you can discuss things that went wrong and change the next round.. making you and everyone better over time.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

So you are saying that people aren't allowed to group together because its not fair?

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This is not PvE. This is PvP, an inherently more competitive environment. People do stop queueing because they are getting roflstomped. Wolves den died not because of the queuing structure, but because morale was broken, there were not enough rewards, and it lost critical mass needed to keep the queues going.

Eh ok, i'll just keep timing ques with our teams and quing at the same time and hoping to get into the same match.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

Eh ok, i'll just keep timing ques with our teams and quing at the same time and hoping to get into the same match.

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Of course you can do that. All I'm saying is that if it was made a game feature where it guaranteed my party would be queued with another, I would never lose lol. I'm for it all the way cause I'm on the winning side, but I don't think it would be healthy for PvP in the long run.

I'm actually not really for or against it. I'm all for the challenge of facing multiple premades, it's just the queues I'm concerned about.

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

Of course you can do that. All I'm saying is that if it was made a game feature where it guaranteed my party would be queued with another, I would never lose lol. I'm for it all the way cause I'm on the winning side, but I don't think it would be healthy for PvP in the long run.

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cough... and how many times have we been with other premades and they didn't hold their end of the bargain? :p

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Originally Posted by Atreus

cough... and how many times have we been with other premades and they didn't hold their end of the bargain? :p

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It happens a lot... pre-mades are not the be-all end-all win no matter what that you guys are making them out to be. I only made the suggestion because we ran into a situation where my linksell has 24 ppl that wanted to pvp.. and it did not let us pvp together.. we ultimately all got split up because of a few things that are broken with the current system. 1. No alliance que. 2. one person missed the pop because they fell asleep (so the whole party got punished and not just that one person ..big problem...... and 3. even when we tried to time it it only pulled one party in and the other 2 got split off into a separate que. We all did maybe 2 matches then stopped queing because it was too much of a hassle to keep waiting for the other team and timing ques together just to be split up anyways.

Note: Even in the pre-made that i'm talking about right now only maybe 4-5 of us are rank 45... everyone else is still leveling up. Its nearly impossible to get a premade of all rank 45s like the ones were talking about that would "guarantee" wins. I really don't think it would be all that unfair with the current system it would just allow friends to play together more.

You're right, I'm not saying they are. Most premades are just pugs that are already friends. The illustration you're giving is kind of what I mean though. Other people are queuing in too trying to get a match. Most of that separation with your alliance is because those other guys were queued in first. If it just kept giving your alliance matches because you're all ready to go, then those other guys never get a match. Conversely, if the other guys queue up first, it may keep trying to fill their alliance and neither one of you will get a match.

RE:Note: Nah it's really not uncommon on our datacenter. Momo here is on my team of all 45's and we know of a few premades on other GC's that are frequent fliers as well.

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Originally Posted by Atreus

You're right, I'm not saying they are. Most premades are just pugs that are already friends. The illustration you're giving is kind of what I mean though. Other people are queuing in too trying to get a match. Most of that separation with your alliance is because those other guys were queued in first. If it just kept giving your alliance matches because you're all ready to go, then those other guys never get a match. Conversely, if the other guys queue up first, it may keep trying to fill their alliance and neither one of you will get a match.

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I agree, this goes back to my thread i started about changing how the que system works. There needs to be a battle board you can walk up to and pick what match you want to join. The randomness and automation is fantastic for PVE content but its really not the best for PVP.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

I agree, this goes back to my thread i started about changing how the que system works. There needs to be a battle board you can walk up to and pick what match you want to join. The randomness and automation is fantastic for PVE content but its really not the best for PVP.

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Got me there. I wouldn't mind that at all.

The problem is: Square thinks pvp needs to be 100% fair, which it doesnt, it just needs to be balanced. Premades are a thing, they happen, its not such a big deal. Its not impossible to beat a premade so I dont see the problem.

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Originally Posted by AntiSocialPanda

The problem is: Square thinks pvp needs to be 100% fair, which it doesnt, it just needs to be balanced. Premades are a thing, they happen, its not such a big deal. Its not impossible to beat a premade so I dont see the problem.

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Its not square that thinks that. Its the players lol. Have you read these forums? These people cry about everything if they can't hang.

Like I said. I don't think it's a fairness issue. It's more than likely a queuing issue.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

Its not square that thinks that. Its the players lol. Have you read these forums? These people cry about everything if they can't hang.

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True. I just recently started playing again so I wasnt here for all the raging but I can imagine.

Separate it like wolves den, either premade or solo queue, allowing premades into pug parties is idiotic. But then I doubt most will join premades, there are very very few players out there that want to fight, most of these premades just want easy cheap wins for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Zagam

Separate it like wolves den, either premade or solo queue, allowing premades into pug parties is idiotic. But then I doubt most will join premades, there are very very few players out there that want to fight, most of these premades just want easy cheap wins for glamour.

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Long as they bring in 8-man Wolves' Den soon, they can do whatever they want with Frontline!