Godbert and the syndicate

Multiple times he says he belongs to the syndicate. But when ever the syndicate is gathered he isn't there.

As powerful as he is in the hildibrand questline. And is against wrong doing, why does he not keep them in line?

He could stop most of ul'dah's problems it seems, but doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

As powerful as he is in the hildibrand questline. And is against wrong doing, why does he not keep them in line?

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My theory is that the Hildibrand story is semi-canonical, as in one-directional. Everything that happens in Eorzea is canon to the Hildibrand storyline, but not everything that happens in the Hildibrand storyline is canon to Eorzea. Articulate gentlemen zombies, explosives to the face, goldsmith limitbreaks, it's all slapstick commentary on the game-world at large, but need not necessarily be true.

Outside of the Hildibrand storyline, Godbert might not be able to save Eorzea with Manderville Manliness. He may just be a wise, old master GSM.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Multiple times he says he belongs to the syndicate. But when ever the syndicate is gathered he isn't there.

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He likes to wear robes at their gatherings, but he's there on occasion. Presence at the Syndicate seems to only be required if you actually expect to wield any of your power. The others don't seem to mind if someone doesn't want to influence the city-state's affairs, as it's more power to them (though they do kind of take it as a personal slight). Raubahn, for instance, won his seat on the Syndicate and took two years off to go they-have-no-idea-where.

http://ff14wiki.info/image/Syndicate_2.jpg

I don't think they're limit breaks. I think they're the Adrenaline from Frontlines (Slaughter), which would make more sense since he's by himself.

Was he there when raubhan made his gc speech?

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Was he there when raubhan made his gc speech?

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Was he there when everyone walked out on the Domans?

I mean, kind of lose some respect for him if so... If he'd gone "They can help work on my luxury casino!", we'd maybe have seen the Gold Saucer finished in 2.3!

He was, and he indeed did side with Lorolito against the Domans - you see him clearly walk out with the rest of them. I immediately lost all respect for him when I saw that scene, and yes, every time he appears in the Hildibrand quests I just wanted to slap him across the face for what he did. Being a large ham and dispensing gifts to children during the Starlight Celebration does not redeem him for essentially telling a group of desperate political refugees fleeing Imperial tyranny to basically go and drop dead.

But I guess I'm just bitter against the Syndicate in general because my character is not only Ala Mhigan but also a PLD too (which makes her a Royalist). But anyway...

Odds are the Msq story and cs was finalized before Godbert was finalized as being a syndicate member, hence the placeholder npc in robes. Doesn't change that he didnt vote for domans but mighy explain it being out of character for him.

That being said I think I have to go with Anonymoose idea thats is semi canonical story. Since they are separate quest lines and have no clear time frame relative to each other they likely didnt want to show godbert and his eccentric nature in msq first. Alot of players do msq but not side stories, without doing hildy quests first Godbert wouldn't make alot of sense to some people. Now that Godbert is more of an established character he might show up in any future syndicate meetings but I doubt his decision over Domans will ever be addressed.

Guess only other option would be he became syndicate recently and replaced hooded guy? Idk if they ever said how long Godbert has been a member. I'll have to go back and watch msq cs to see if they show hooded guys face at all.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

He was, and he indeed did side with Lorolito against the Domans - you see him clearly walk out with the rest of them.

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Now I'm kind of hoping for an official response informing us that the robed/masked "Godbert" at the meetings was simply an impostor Godbert had take his place to keep up appearances while he vacationed at Bronze Lake and played about with his son... Really sucks if it was the real Godbert, especially when he could have stayed and the result would have been the same if I recall correctly, since the majority still would have left. When you consider the Gold Saucer it doesn't even make sense for him to vote against the Domans, since you'd imagine he'd want more workers for that... Were it simply a hired impostor it could make sense though.

Unless he's normally absent... And he's not the one who hired the impostor!

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

He was, and he indeed did side with Lorolito against the Domans - you see him clearly walk out with the rest of them. I immediately lost all respect for him when I saw that scene, and yes, every time he appears in the Hildibrand quests I just wanted to slap him across the face for what he did. Being a large ham and dispensing gifts to children during the Starlight Celebration does not redeem him for essentially telling a group of desperate political refugees fleeing Imperial tyranny to basically go and drop dead.

But I guess I'm just bitter against the Syndicate in general because my character is not only Ala Mhigan but also a PLD too (which makes her a Royalist). But anyway...

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Maybe he couldn't help them in front of the Syndicate and is working behind the scenes to help them with Gold Saucer like someone else has said. There a plenty of characters that are evil at face value, but end up being evil for the greater good.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Unless he's normally absent... And he's not the one who hired the impostor!

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If only Godbert knew some kind of professional who could investigate this shady impostor... An investigator, or Agent of Inquiry, if you will...

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

He was, and he indeed did side with Lorolito against the Domans - you see him clearly walk out with the rest of them. I immediately lost all respect for him when I saw that scene

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Is he really a bad guy though ?
Ulda'h is crowded with beggars, refugees from different places. Ulda'h being the richest of the 3 Cities, most of the survivors of Bahamut's wrath gathered there. When Ala Mhigo fell, the refugees went straight to Ulda'h. The city is so crowded with people in need, that the Ala Mhigan live under a rock in the desert... And well, Ulda'h is kind of racist on top of that.

Could the city really afford a new wave of refugees ? Moreover, helping them in any way, woud that be fair to the other struggling to live in the streets for years ?

He did side with Lolorito, but not for the same reasons. (whereas Teledji "helped" them because he needed them...)

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

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Well in the case of the zombies there is one zombie outside of the Hildebrand quests that behaves similarly to them. Hab(? Hob?) the zombie man at the end of Southern Thanalan who gives you the Cactuar Cutting minion shows the same sentience as the zombies within the Hildibrand questline.

If I recall correctly Godbert appearing in that cutscene is a flag based on if you did the 2.2 Hildibrand quest prior to 2.2 Main Scenario which mentions that he took the place for Mr.Robes. (If you look at the Gamerescape preview Godbert is there). I wish I could actually check but I don't have any lvl 50 alts I haven't run through the MS and Hildibrand already. :(

And who is to say GSM (and other DOL/H) can't use LB!? Have you tried to. :p

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Originally Posted by Necato

Is he really a bad guy though ?
Ulda'h is crowded with beggars, refugees from different places. Ulda'h being the richest of the 3 Cities, most of the survivors of Bahamut's wrath gathered there. When Ala Mhigo fell, the refugees went straight to Ulda'h. The city is so crowded with people in need, that the Ala Mhigan live under a rock in the desert... And well, Ulda'h is kind of racist on top of that.

Could the city really afford a new wave of refugees ? Moreover, helping them in any way, woud that be fair to the other struggling to live in the streets for years ?

He did side with Lolorito, but not for the same reasons. (whereas Teledji "helped" them because he needed them...)

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I agree with this, Ul'dah really can't afford more refugees, the city is at breaking point as it is, bringing more refugees in would have meant the Ala Mhigan's would have been sidelined in favour of the Domans, which would likely result in riots and general hatred of the Domans, I mean, the Domans are in a much better place now than they would have been if they were taken in by Ul'dah.

Not being allowed into Ul'dah ended up being the "right" choice for the Domans since they were accepted into Revenant's Toll and helped build it up.

Also, yeah I don't recall seeing a hooded guy at any Syndicate meetings and that was because my version of the cutscene includes Godbert unhooded.

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Originally Posted by Necato

He did side with Lolorito, but not for the same reasons. (whereas Teledji "helped" them because he needed them...)

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I agree with this. Godbert never speaks during the syndicate meeting where the Doman's are discussed so we have no idea what his motives are, but from our encounters with him in the Hildabrand quests we know at least something of his character and he doesn't seem like the kind of man to turn down a call for help without cause.

I also think it's possible that in his free time (the Hildabrand quests) we see one side of him and that when at business (the syndicate meetings) we see the more serious, pragmatic side.

From Godbert's point of view (And yes I saw him in the Syndicate meeting as well, not Mr. Hood) it may have been "I'd like to help the Domans but I can't help the Alamhigans as it stands. It wouldn't be right to help these people and ignore the ones that have been here for 5 years with no aid from us."

From a political stand point it may actually be likely that that was how most of them were thinking (Other than Lolorito who thinks all outsiders need to go die in the desert and leave him to enjoy his luxuries in peace). Even if some or most had wanted too (I think Godbert stayed but I'm not sure) they couldn't in good faith help the Domans when they had spent 5 years largely ignoring the plight of the other refugees.

So it was simply a bad political move. The entire reason the Prince wants the Domans and Alamigans to inhabit Carteno is so he can use them as slave labor to uncover Omega which he probably intends to use as a war machine to conquer both the Syndicate and Sultanate alike. "Today Ul'dah, Tomorrow all of Hydaelyn!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!"

So we have Godbert and Raubahn as the "good" syndicate members and Lolorito and Teledji Adeleji as the supervillains. Where does that place the other two (the Roegadyn mining boss and the Lalafell in yellow)? They hardly get any screentime or mention.

The Lalafel in yellow is Dewlala of the Milvaneth Sacrarium, counterpart to the Ossary. Don't know much about them except that they imprisoned the Black Mage quest guy and are related to the Nald'thal stuff.

The miner is Fyrgeiss, lead of the Amajina & Sons Mineral Concern. We don't interact with them much directly, but we do encounter their vice foreman Deep Canyon, and his son Wide Gulley, during the Miner's Guild quests. Arrogant and corner-cutting hard drivers, prone to using others to settle a vendetta, but ultimately honorable.

It's also possible (most likely) that Godbert was one of the Syndicate members to financially support Alphinaud and his Crystal Brave program.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

Not being allowed into Ul'dah ended up being the "right" choice for the Domans since they were accepted into Revenant's Toll and helped build it up.

Also, yeah I don't recall seeing a hooded guy at any Syndicate meetings and that was because my version of the cutscene includes Godbert unhooded.

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Yes, but there was a huge construction boom happening at Revenant's Toll. There was something the Domans could be put to work to do. Meanwhile Ul'dah is stagnant, with what seems to be little jobs for the poor, and only the wealthy or well known can get something to do: merchants, vendors, alchemists, heck even miners seem to have some "prestige" to them.

This is sounding like modern politics now >.>. I think Ul'dah needs to build a train line or something to "stimulate" the economy.

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Originally Posted by Magis

This is sounding like modern politics now >.>. I think Ul'dah needs to build a train line or something to "stimulate" the economy.

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We've already got the lines, we just need to build some trains to go on them :p

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

We've already got the lines, we just need to build some trains to go on them :p

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I thought those trains were main for miner's guild. for good shuttling.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

We've already got the lines, we just need to build some trains to go on them :p

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those lines are strictly for the mining concern's use. They'd have to make a new set of tracks for normal use

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Originally Posted by Magis

I think Ul'dah needs to build a train line or something to "stimulate" the economy.

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Perhaps they should build a luxury games resort to stimulate the economy and boost tourism.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Perhaps they should build a luxury games resort to stimulate the economy and boost tourism.

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You mean the Gold Saucer? (if they put it in Thanalan)

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Originally Posted by Rannie

You mean the Gold Saucer? (if they put it in Thanalan)

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Go out to the desert in Southern Thanalan when it is dark out (and preferably clear skies).

At work so don't remember the coordinates, but skirt the west side of the map. It isn't too far south of Forgotten Springs. Look out into the distance (unexplorable map area).



*all of the lights* ;)

oooOoooo the area around 12x 35 y?


Edit: yeah stupid me I read you're at work and don't remember coords but is a mountain around it? like a wall?

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Originally Posted by Rannie

oooOoooo the area around 12x 35 y?


Edit: yeah stupid me I read you're at work and don't remember coords but is a mountain around it? like a wall?

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Yeah that sounds like it!

Lots of purple spotlights and stuff. There is actually a hole in a mountain (rock?) formation right before the unexplorable area opens up to be seen more fully, where you can juuuuust see the lit up cactuar.

oh yeah see it... AWESOMESAUCE!!!

i now have the gold saucer music playing in my head... lol