Sometimes i wana leave a duty, but never do it...

I was running bray normal with a tank that had just over 1k hp. Its a lvl 34 dungeon and he was wearing a lvl 15 body piece. Rest of hes stuff was lvl 20-28. He didn't have pld unlocked either.

Early on I noticed hes hp drop extremely fast, which caused me to check him. Well the rest of the dungeon was a nightmare.

I play a healer and our dps's had 1300hp and were holding up better then the tank.

We ended up using the whole time and somehow managed to get to final boss though, but sometimes I wonder if I should just give in and leave in that situation. We wernt able to finish it.

Anyone else ever wonder what to do and end up just toughing it out like I do?

I know I tough dungeons like that out more than I should... ugh, the flashbacks are giving me a headache.

That's a tough situation... You can't really say anything or leave or you end up looking like the 'asshole'. However a person playing a "TANK" should understand the importance of having sufficient gear to actually take the damage he or she is supposed to be taking. I honestly wouldn't have known how to handle that situation either... just sat there until it finally ended and vent my frustrations to a friend or two =/

He may not have known about the job quests or the importance of getting them done, if he was a new player. I'd probably have just mentioned it to him along with a suggestion to keep his gear up to date and that it would really make things easier for him. If it makes you feel better you can just ask if he wouldn't mind you making a suggestion, and if he doesn't accept your offer or he's rude to you and you aren't holding out any hope of getting through the run, well, some people are hardheaded enough that the only way they'll learn is if others leave or a vote abandon goes through and it gives them a reality check. Offering advice would be the best that you could do in that situation though, I don't know of anything more that you could have done outside of just dropping the instance.

Leveling a healer class myself right now and honestly, I don't know how some tanks/healers get by without updating their gear regularly. I have a tough time in some parties with level-appropriate hq/dungeon-drop gear and food, anything less would drive me crazy. :P

You have my respect for your patience. I am trying to be patient and I think that FFXIV really improved that part of my personality but I think I wouldn't be able to stay whole 90 minutes if I saw it wasn't going to happen.

I remember having a tank like that once(also at brayflox), After three wipes to the last boss I ended up putting skull sunder and foresight as my cross classes and my tank accessories on my monk after we decided I should tank. It wasn't as bad as the multiple times I've had to heal on black mage, but it isn't something I'd want to do again voluntarily .

I always promise myself this is the last time I put up with this, I won't compromise next time. But that queue time...

Well... the first few dying should already gives you the idea of something's amiss. Just check his/her gear after, and when you find a significant disadvantage on gear department, you can tell him to gear up more and how (in the nicest way possible), then leave the duty and re-enter since it's really obvious how things go if you still try to continue the run.

I had a similar situation once, in Brayflox.

Marauder tank, low HP, no tomahawk, no flash, no provoke, crafting accessories, low level armor, didn't know the purpose of any of his abilities (He pretty much pressed what he felt like pressing at one moment or the other), didn't know how to talk in party chat and seemed to have been carried through all the dungeons before.

White knight healer who was pretty much acting like he was hoping that the tank was a very hot woman in real life that would date him if he was nice to her, complimenting the tank on ANYTHING, "You used a cooldown, GREAT JOB! I've never seen a tank use a coolodown like you just did!" and more crap like that.

Stuck at Aiatar with no possibility of killing him since the tank dies within 15 seconds. I hadn't said anything up to this point. I initiated vote abandon since there's 20 minutes on the clock, it fails so I request to be kicked out. This angered the white knight healer who unleashed his fury on me for giving up on his tank crush and blames me for the wipes, even though I tanked Aiatar every time the tank died and survived much longer than he ever did. The hostility of the healer scares off the tank and he prefers to leave.

I toughed it out until we got to a brick wall, but I really hate carrying tanks. They get to high level content and fail so hard then are like "It's not my fault, it's everyone else's fault!"

WoW, at least when I played, did not have timers... lol - you can really waste your time in one of those. I feel like the timer is a godsend, I don't like leaving people but sometimes you know its just not going to happen.

I'd leave the dungeon instantly. I'd wait the 30 minutes. I do it all the time. Ethical? No, not really, but unless I'm with friends, my dungeon runs are for selfish purposes. (to be honest, most dungeon runs everybody does is for selfish purposes(not exactly selfish, but I cannot think of the word))

Had it once with a mrd after 2 deaths at first boss I explained the gear and job stuff we took another 3 wipes on first boss then he asked for a disband/votekick (cant actually remember if votekick existed by then) and said thanks for the info. I think was a good experience to meet someone that doesnt take it as offence.
Same for an archer we met in stone vigil 3 man premade, we took im thru but he died easily. Some people just dont read helptexts and skip 80% of all sidequests so it often helps to explain (cant understand though ppl qing 8 man stuff as mrd saying "there will be another tank anyways and this way there is more dps" - I just wait for the situation that BOTH tanks show up in class n get it in their face)

I toughed it out once... never again. Honestly, I don't see the point in sticking around once it becomes very clear that a party is not going to be able to clear a dungeon or trial. It's a waste of everyone's time. I have a limited amount of time in which to play; I'd rather spend it doing something productive instead of beating my head against a wall.

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Originally Posted by Riviere

White knight healer who was pretty much acting like he was hoping that the tank was a very hot woman in real life that would date him if he was nice to her, complimenting the tank on ANYTHING, "You used a cooldown, GREAT JOB! I've never seen a tank use a coolodown like you just did!" and more crap like that.

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Sure he was not just sarcastic?

I had worse once, and the tank was a japanese warrior which only hold aggro to the mobs he attacked.. BLM casted sleep on the other mobs but suddenly he uses overpower.. Always like that.. And he uses all caster gears lv 25-30 or something.. And i was the healer.. It was really epic (i'm weird am i not?) until i initated vote abandon after first wipe on aiatar which was rejected, we made it to aiatar.. Believe it or not.. Then we got more wipes.. Until the best we could do was to down aiatar's hp to 34% then people voted abandon.. Hahahahaha.. After it ended, i took my time to translate the convo the party had.. I just think the tank is a troll..

i am hopelessly optimistic about these kinda situations like, "if we try hard and believe we can do it!" kinda optimistic
usually it actually works out through some ungodly miracle (i swear half of you sold your souls) but when it does not work out in my expierence either the problem player or a very frustrated teamy will drop out.
at which point i'll try a vote abandon depending on where we are in the instance and what the reason was for failure.
but nonetheless i do agree you should make sure you are properly geared for the dungeon you are about to take on, hell im still fairly new to level 50 and when i reach a required item level for a new dungeon i still get really nervous about whether im prepared enough. usually i'll try it first with friends because of some fear or other of inconveniencing others

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

. You can't really say anything or leave or you end up looking like the 'asshole'.=/

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That when you pull the ole, " getting a lot of lag here on my end" then just leave, though it's a toss up, either eat the 30 minute, or spend the 30 or so playing the dungeon, of course if the dungeon is going to be more than 30 May as well just eat the 30. Though who's to say the next group you get will be any better.

On the other hand someone could tell to the person and offer up some education, maybe they just don't what they are doing. I made it all the way to halitali before I knew what a tank even was.

I never do either.

If we lose just keep at it till you win practice makes you perfect at the run, if you lose someone you'll never get the hang of it.

I haven't done dungeons or new content in a while, I am burned out because the way they have it setup, you burn for gear then patch comes with new gear and you have to get that gear in order to be relevant.
I took a break from dungeons lol

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Originally Posted by Felis

Sure he was not just sarcastic?

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Oh I'm just exaggerating the way he spoke for comic effect. :)

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Originally Posted by Dimitrias

I was running bray normal with a tank that had just over 1k hp. Its a lvl 34 dungeon and he was wearing a lvl 15 body piece. Rest of hes stuff was lvl 20-28. He didn't have pld unlocked either.

Early on I noticed hes hp drop extremely fast, which caused me to check him. Well the rest of the dungeon was a nightmare.

I play a healer and our dps's had 1300hp and were holding up better then the tank.

We ended up using the whole time and somehow managed to get to final boss though, but sometimes I wonder if I should just give in and leave in that situation. We wernt able to finish it.

Anyone else ever wonder what to do and end up just toughing it out like I do?

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Staying and not kicking is condoning the situation and hence, encouraging it to continue. Either kick the person that clearly doesn't care about contributing, or get out yourself.

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

That's a tough situation... You can't really say anything or leave or you end up looking like the 'asshole'.

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So what?

The opinion of a player who can't even be bothered to read basic item descriptions shouldn't weigh on you at all.

Even if you do tolerate the such a person through one dungeon, they will inevitably meet people who won't.

I think it's best for everyone to just let the person in question know that they're seriously undergeared for the dungeons and then kick them if they don't understand to leave. "Sorry, but you should unlock your job and get gear close to the dungeon level before entering this instance" should not break anyone's heart. I've only had to do this once though, to a WHM who entered WP with level 21 weapon (and who did not have AF so didn't have their job quests done and their gear was somewhere around their weapon level as well). We explained the WHM that they wouldn't have been able to do their job in that instance wearing that gear, told them they should do their job quests for AF gear and get a proper weapon. The WHM didn't leave (we did give them some time) so we kicked them and got a healer from LS as replacement.

Exactly, I'll even ask if they're on my server in order to craft stuff for them if they're that bad off. But really, they shouldn't be. Even nq level appropriate gear from npcs is not hard to come by.

If im doing a low level dungeon I keep in mind that I might get new players so if I join and the tank/healers obviously don't know what to do I'm kinda crying inside my head and at the same time comforting myself saying "The dungeon will be over in 90 minutes, put on some music and relax"
I have never left a dungeon because of long queuetimes I think but I'm sure I will some day.

When I'm queuing for Ex primals I've quit a lot of times if I see half the group get hit twice by leviathans first jump, or 2 dps dies on first WotL. But I don't know dungeons are so much easier so I keep hoping we will get through

I never give up in these kind of situations lol cuz u know me whm with tank accessories XD.
I'll do my best to make things work but the only bosses that healers can't carry r the bosses that require hard dps checks
I.e hakkuke manor hm last boss, pre nerf early days of demon wall, etc.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrias

I was running bray normal with a tank that had just over 1k hp. Its a lvl 34 dungeon and he was wearing a lvl 15 body piece. Rest of hes stuff was lvl 20-28. He didn't have pld unlocked either.

Early on I noticed hes hp drop extremely fast, which caused me to check him. Well the rest of the dungeon was a nightmare.

I play a healer and our dps's had 1300hp and were holding up better then the tank.

We ended up using the whole time and somehow managed to get to final boss though, but sometimes I wonder if I should just give in and leave in that situation. We wernt able to finish it.

Anyone else ever wonder what to do and end up just toughing it out like I do?

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Something I would like to add to this. As gamer's we don't always know who is on the other side. This could be a kid, it could be a disabled person, or it could be an adult who just doesn't know the ropes so to speak. Point is good on you for hanging in there. Sometimes the DR is not going to be as easy as we had hoped.

Ha! I don't have any major qualms with leaving if I don't feel like doing a certain dungeon or fight at the time. I remember trying to queue in progress to help some fc members but I got the wrong group. I told them pretty much right away that I didn't want to be there and that I hoped they had a tank they knew that could replace me. I trudged through the first boss with them and then quit. I just said sorry, I'm gonna go now, and then took my 30 min slap on the wrist. I felt a little bad about it, but I really didn't want to be there.

Gear is yuck. But a properly geared gladiator with cross class skills is probably better then paladin in Brayflox. And i have been there where you put flash and other skills on monk and just ignore the tank.

I was leveling my mnk in bray and after a very long wait, got placed in a party with a marauder, whm, and brd. After wiping after every mob up to the initial gate I said this isn't going to work. This was his first class and I taught him how he needs his war soul stone so he can get defiance to help him hold mobs. There's new people who might not have friends or an fc to guide them along in this game, and that's why we have people who aren't aware of their job quests or how important gear is related to dungeon level in this game. I'm happy to teach people as long as they are willing to listen. Sometimes you do just want to leave, but leaving isn't going to fix the long term problem. We voted to abandon and I'm assuming he went off to start his job quest afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

Sometimes you do just want to leave, but leaving isn't going to fix the long term problem.

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I very much agree with you, all the time I offer my advice to tanks and healers on how to play their roles best. And that's what we should do to condition new people.

I'd say most of them will remain in silence while still keeping on doing their thing, then there's 5 - 6 people out of the year and half I've played that actually listened and thanked me, 2 of them I stayed behind for the entire 10 minutes giving them formulas and tips on the technical and intuition aspect of their roles. And finally, our favorite: the epic response of STFU I know what I'm doing why aren't you tanking/healing.