Yes, this is brought on by the recent release of World of Darkness.
proposal: When someone issues a vote abandon and it is rejected, that person is no longer able to issue a vote abandon for the remainder of the instance. (Other players still can do so)
I don't know what it is that compels certain SPECIAL people to continuously attempt to vote abandon at every little sign of difficulty or trouble in an instance, even one that's still brand goddamn new, even after they should already know that their vote abandon attempts are not going to succeed... but those people are certainly out there, I'm sure many of you have ran into them before (if you aren't already one of them yourself), and this serves no purpose other than to irritate and troll the raid because you aren't even told who's trying to do it. Just don't even let them try, I say.
Proposal: a slight alteration to vote abandon
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01-21-2015, 05:44 PMFynlarProposal: a slight alteration to vote abandon
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01-22-2015, 03:16 AMUraegis
Or maybe , i prefer - people who want abandon - they leaved , the other who rejected stayed. Guess , could be a little fair for people who wanna persist in the fight xb
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01-22-2015, 03:23 AMVaerOnly problem with this is people will abuse it to get out of groups without penalty, which seems like the reason they do it in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uraegis
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01-22-2015, 04:36 AMGeryth
I think a 5 minutes cooldown per person on voting for abandon should suffice.
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01-22-2015, 08:30 AMalimdiatheres a cd upon successQuote:
Originally Posted by Vaer
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01-23-2015, 02:45 AMFynlarNo, it wouldn't. That just means they will keep trying again after every wipe or every other wipe pretty much... which is precisely the sort of scenario I'm complaining about. Nothing is fixed.Quote:
I think a 5 minutes cooldown per person on voting for abandon should suffice.
Still think "until end of instance" is best. If the party later agrees to abandon after all, there should be no shortage of people who can do it, unless the entire group is just haphazardly calling vote abandons without ever managing to communicate their intentions.
If you mean you're locked out of the DF after a vote abandon, no you're not. The whole point of vote abandon is to call an end to a duty you don't see being successful, without anyone getting dinged for it. Otherwise people would just leave.Quote:
theres a cd upon success
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01-23-2015, 03:07 AMGerythI agree that people shouldn't be able to abuse the system to harass the people in the dungeon by constantly calling abandon votes. To stop someone from voting abandon completely? I mean come on, read what you just wrote, "That just means they will keep trying again after every wipe or every other wipe pretty much." If I was in a party that I didn't want to be in and we were wiping so much then yeah, I might legitimately want to vote abandon every 5 minutes. And if we are really wiping like that, then the mind of the rest of the party could certainly change in that time frame. Maybe it could be 7.5 minutes. Maybe it could be 10. But to stop them from being able to launch a vote abandon at all is not a good or fair solution. A cooldown on it though I think is an excellent idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
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01-23-2015, 03:10 AMFynlarAnd that is when if you want to leave so bad, you should just leave, instead of annoying the piss out of people like me with your stupid vote abandon spam.Quote:
I agree that people shouldn't be able to abuse the system to harass the people in the dungeon by constantly calling abandon votes. To stop someone from voting abandon completely? I mean come on, read what you just wrote, "That just means they will keep trying again after every wipe or every other wipe pretty much." If I was in a party that I didn't want to be in and we were wiping so much then yeah, I might legitimately want to vote abandon every 5 minutes.
You tried it once, it didn't work. NEWS FLASH: That means the group wants to keep trying. If they later decide they want to give up after all, one of them can make the call for it and not you.
And yes, being able to do it every 5 minutes would still pretty much be the same thing as "constantly calling vote abandons" in my book. -
01-23-2015, 04:07 AMGerythWhat you're proposing I think is too strict. The beauty of the cooldown means it can be as strict or lax as it needs to be. Personally I think 5 minutes is enough. For you it seems like it would at least be 15 or more minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
Either way it does need a change. I think adding a cooldown is the answer, whatever time that ends up being. I think it's completely viable (and needed) for someone to be able to vote abandon more than once in the dungeon.
What if the dungeon starts and the tank DC's? Instead of waiting aeons for a tank to get in an already-started dungeon (depending on the dungeon of course) let's say you simply vote abandon since you'd rather do something else rather than wait for DF to find a new tank. Whoops, it turns out that tank was in a party with a friend and the friend turns down the vote abandon because they want to give their friend a chance to reconnect. You've now wasted your only vote abandon and the dungeon has barely started - you're not sure if you want to take the leaving penalty so your stuck waiting for the reconnect. Let's say after 4-5 minutes the tank does reconnect and you continue on. If your party has real trouble later on then you can't do anything but ask someone else to vote abandon. To you that solution is acceptable but to me, it isn't. From a pure design point of view even, not even from what's "fair" or "reasonable", that's just a bad solution. It could even be something as simple as a language barrier that prevents someone from being able to ask another party member to vote abandon. Or if I were on a PS3 without a keyboard, I'd be loathe to type anything, and it would be an annoying burden to have to ask that.
If someone doesn't like the state of the party/dungeon they should be able to vote abandon. Not without restrictions, but with reasonable restrictions. Your proposed restriction is not reasonable. The beauty of the cooldown is that it's easy to adjust. Are people still harassing others even with a 5 minute cooldown? Increase it to 10. Or vice versa. It stops harassment but doesn't stop people from voting abandon multiple times in a dungeon when there are many viable reasons to do so. -
01-23-2015, 04:18 AMIzsha
Is there currently a cd? Someone mentioned it in the other thread but haven't had a chance to check. If there's a cooldown now, what is it?
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01-23-2015, 04:26 AMTiggy
Had a WoD run on launch day where one person spammed vote quit for 10 minutes until people finally caved. It was obnoxious and we were only missing 2 people for replenish. This definitely felt like abuse of the system and I support the suggestion wholeheartedly.
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01-23-2015, 04:49 AMIzsha
I guess there is no cd currently. In that case I support some type of cooldown to prevent absurd spam (see tiggy post) like 5-10 min. But can't get behind a one and done hard cap. Popping it after every 10 min slow wipe in WoD isn't the end of the world. Getting spammed every 15 sec per tiggy ' s example needs to go.
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01-23-2015, 04:57 AMArchadius
Just make it so it shows who intitiates the Vote Abandon, similar to how it shows us who initiates a Ready Check. I guarantee you will get way less people haphazaardly choosing to abandon, when you remove people's ability to hide behind their computer. It will eliminate spammers too, because then the whole party/alliance can see who is the problem, and Vote Dismiss that person.
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01-23-2015, 11:11 AMFynlarSeems perfectly reasonable to me when any party has several other people that can issue a vote abandon.Quote:
If someone doesn't like the state of the party/dungeon they should be able to vote abandon. Not without restrictions, but with reasonable restrictions. Your proposed restriction is not reasonable.
I think people should have to be more careful about when they issue vote abandon and not just throw it out at every little sign of trouble simply because the game currently allows them to.
tbh it should do this tooQuote:
Just make it so it shows who intitiates the Vote Abandon, similar to how it shows us who initiates a Ready Check.
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01-23-2015, 11:31 AMBlacksmith_Tony
Please address this, SE, since it's being abused pretty hard on some content now that the patch hit.
I was in a World of Darkness run on launch day, and someone kept shouting at the entire alliance and being nasty in general, and we had over 10 "Vote Abandons" throug out the run, until it finally passed when we were close to the second to last boss. All the current system really does is cause dramatics as people keep spamming this on runs they feel are failures, and players in general being confused about the mechanics of the game, as I've been in plenty of "groups" that do it after the majority of the party split, even in full premades.
While you're at it, I'll take a lump of coal and the option to mute or /blist people in alliance content, since I'm a naughty boy that wants his money worth out of this amazing game. -
01-23-2015, 12:01 PMSekhmetMThis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
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01-24-2015, 02:10 AMGerythQuote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
Both of these are important pieces of this. It's easy to harass behind anonymity. I see no reason why the person's name who initiated the abandon/kick vote shouldn't be displayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SekhmetM