2.5 Crafting Updates

ARTISAN APRON MELDING WARNING!!
READ ME FIRST
Edit: Red text was the old hypothesis
It seems the progress can be reduced to 4 progress moves after all. However it's no joke. You need a minimum of 541 Craftsmanship at least to do a 4 progress moves for regular 4 stars recipe. How you come up with the 541 is up to you. Melding combination between i70 off hand and your i60 Artisan Apron Chest is very flexible and in the end, I'm afraid what you should meld is depending on what food you will end up using and your own personal taste in the double MM2 Rotation. Craftsmanship food will take priority over CP food once you can hit 541 Craftsmanship to do 4 progress moves. (Note: 4 Progress Moves is not possible without Craftsmanship food, so you're essentially trading in at least 25 CP from HQ Boul to a Craftsmanship food that provides 17/18 CP depending on which you use.)

Chest cannot be capped. If you're a 4stars crafter. Meaning you meet the minimum requirement for 4stars crafting. You want to cap Control and CP first and leave craftsmanship uncapped (I went Craft IV, Craft IV, Control III, Control III, CP III) since I just wanted to be fancy. You can get away with Craft III (You got this chest for the additional 3 Control on it compared to i55 or you're upgrading from i70 turn in. Either ways. You don't need to cap Craftsmanship as it will be worthless to you at current 4 stars level.). This is an extremely safe bet and some explanation are below.

Patch is now live. stats are all correct , If you just want the stats, disregard the next few paragraphs.
Stats taken from : http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124...40#post6330840

Short version: We get new Main hands that gives 31+ crafting and OPTIONAL ARTISAN PIECES WHICH ARE NOT BIS (Besides i60 Chest, both Crafted and Turn in version of chest was added in this patch)

STAT WISE
The 31 crafting plus on Lucis (New Main Hand) alone is more than enough to abolish the 15 craftsmanship on our current off hands. Craftmanship + no longer are needed or suggested on off hands as melds as it does not reduce the standard 5x progress moves to complete 4 stars by anymore than what we could prior to the 2.5 patch.

GEAR WISE
"Oh, and here are the prices (all HQ, of course) for both: 4 CRP/WVR tokens, 5 BSM/ARM/GSM/LTW tokens, or 10 ALC/CUL tokens. Seems strange that body and feet cost the same, but that's what the data says, and I'm not complaining." TY Rogueadyn

Crafted Artisan Hand/Pants/Shoes Prior to 2.5 full melded will overtake the new turn ins Artisan gears which are speculated to not be meldable just like it's "Artisan Spectacle" glasses head counterpart

Despite being i70 the Artisan turn ins are not needed if you rather craft or already have the i60 BIS set.
However the new i70 Turn ins Chest/GLove/Pants/Shoes are probably a lot cheaper and were added as an optional crafting route to aid crafters who are low on funds.


:::Main Hand:::

Lucis Stats (NEW Main Hands)
Craftsmanship : 180
Control : 97

Supra Stats (Old Main Hands)
Craftsmanship : 149
Control : 83


:::Chest:::

Artisan's Apron (i60 Crafted Version)

[HQ Stats Unmelded]
Craftsmanship : 101
Control : 33

Meld cap (3 guaranteed): TY Rogueadyn

Craftsmanship: 18
Control: 6
CP: 3


Artisan's Gown (i70 Turn in version)

Craftsmanship : 107
Control : 35
CP : 2


Glove/Pants/Shoes for i60 are the same to each other. i70 are the same to each other as well.

Artisan's Mitts/Culottes/Sandals (OLD i60 Crafted Version)

[HQ Stats Full Melded]
Control : 39
Craftsmanship : 4
CP : 3

Artisan's Fingerstalls/Chausses/Pattens (NEW i70 Turn in Version)

Control : 35
Craftsmanship : 4
CP : 2

Thanks so much for summarizing it up ^^. Very handy for lazy person like me lol

Well, thank you for at least starting this thread. But if you consider the budget of the i55 vs the i60 you've presented, there's no way that the given stats on the Artisan's Apron are actually HQ - those numbers are weaker than HQ i55. Please recall that the BG datamining thread was incorrect about some HQ stats last patch.

Edit: Both the BG thread and the official patch notes have naming inconsistencies: The i60 pieces we already have are called "Artisan's", the i70 green glasses are "Artisan's", the incoming i60 coat is "Artisan's", but 3/4 of the incoming i70 pieces (Gown, Fingerstalls, Chausses) are listed as "Adept's". The remaining new i70 piece is labeled "Artisan's" Pattens, which is where I believe there was a typo.

Edit again: 101 Cft, 33 Con for the coat. According to those caps, it can't be maxed. Buns!

Hopefully the new turn-in pieces will be the Mastercraft fountain some of us have been hoping for.

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Originally Posted by Hempen_Kecks

Well, thank you for at least starting this thread. But if you consider the budget of the i55 vs the i60 you've presented, there's no way that the given stats on the Artisan's Apron are actually HQ - those numbers are weaker than HQ i55. Please recall that the BG datamining thread was incorrect about some HQ stats last patch.

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That's true, most likely those stats are actually NQ.

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Originally Posted by Hempen_Kecks

Well, thank you for at least starting this thread. But if you consider the budget of the i55 vs the i60 you've presented, there's no way that the given stats on the Artisan's Apron are actually HQ - those numbers are weaker than HQ i55. Please recall that the BG datamining thread was incorrect about some HQ stats last patch.

Edit: Both the BG thread and the official patch notes have naming inconsistencies: The i60 pieces we already have are called "Artisan's", the i70 green glasses are "Artisan's", the incoming i60 coat is "Artisan's", but 3/4 of the incoming i70 pieces (Gown, Fingerstalls, Chausses) are listed as "Adept's". The remaining new i70 piece is labeled "Artisan's" Pattens, which is where I believe there was a typo.

Edit again: 101 Cft, 33 Con for the coat. According to those caps, it can't be maxed. Buns!

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You're right. that stat is wrong. 89 is NQ and it's also listed as the HQ too on bluegate. my apologies

Artisan Apron HQ meld cap: 18 craftsmanship, 6 control, 3 CP

I went with 3 cp over 2 control personally.

http://imgur.com/FLAz3lq

So what do we need for Adept Gear?

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Originally Posted by Iveriad

So what do we need for Adept Gear?

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Same stuff for Artisan's Spectacles
"Oh, and here are the prices (all HQ, of course) for both: 4 CRP/WVR tokens, 5 BSM/ARM/GSM/LTW tokens, or 10 ALC/CUL tokens. Seems strange that body and feet cost the same, but that's what the data says, and I'm not complaining."

Thanks for the info! :D

and now I should re-meld all of my off-hands /joy

.... and this in order to make lazy crafters able to craft 4* recipes /joy

....they should at least make us obtain Grade IV materia more easily....

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Originally Posted by Enion

Overkill since amount craftsmanship won't reduce 4stars / 3 stars progress rotation for awhile. Should cap Control and CP first

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Yeah I get what you are saying and it makes sense reading through your op. However, everything in the game can be easily hq'd in 2.4 gear already, so I mostly made this just for the sake of "patch day new stuff" and condensing my crafting bodies down to one piece. I knew it wouldn't have a meaningful impact alone. I have no plans on trying for the 541 you mention unless it becomes critical to have.

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Originally Posted by Rocond

Yeah I get what you are saying and it makes sense reading through your op. However, everything in the game can be easily hq'd in 2.4 gear already, so I mostly made this just for the sake of "patch day new stuff" and condensing my crafting bodies down to one piece. I knew it wouldn't have a meaningful impact alone. I have no plans on trying for the 541 you mention unless it becomes critical to have.

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You're absolutely right, and I apologize for my earlier reply. I jumped to conclusion at the goal overall. /grovel

Our server market is already messed up , market is out of emery , raziqsand , raziqsap , minium , wootz ore , battlecraft demi 3 , borax , cashmere fleece , saurian skin and i mean nothing left , 0 supply!

I am wondering how hard it will be to acquire Allagan catalysts now - quite a few of the i110 equipment requires them (jewellery requires 1 each, but the new i110 weapons require 3 each)

they drop from ST and CT , in the amon chest and another one i forgot the name :D

Is fieldcraft demi 1 or 3 needed for any new recipes? Just wondering what will happen to the demi market in the near future as I'm currently sitting on 1k fieldcraft demi 1.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Is fieldcraft demi 1 or 3 needed for any new recipes? Just wondering what will happen to the demi market in the near future as I'm currently sitting on 1k fieldcraft demi 1.

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Control + F to get to the crafting new recipe section. Or just Search Fieldcraft to see where they all apply.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...735b3d4280abe6

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Originally Posted by Enion

Control + F to get to the crafting new recipe section. Or just Search Fieldcraft to see where they all apply.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...735b3d4280abe6

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Thanks, it's only 2 and 3 so it doesn't look like the demand for 1 will rise. I just hope they won't make them easier to get.

You get them from desynthing ST gear too. I got 2 from... can't remember which piece. Belt maybe? Can't remember.

Anyway the new tools, is that purely gated behind GC seals, or are there other ways to obtain moonstones and such?

They stated that you can get moonstones from timeworn maps. I personally filled mine and my retainer's inventory with them, as they're unique items. Will be testing the maps when I get on later tonight to figure out how many stones you can get.

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Originally Posted by mayonnegg

You get them from desynthing ST gear too. I got 2 from... can't remember which piece. Belt maybe? Can't remember.

Anyway the new tools, is that purely gated behind GC seals, or are there other ways to obtain moonstones and such?

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You can craft stuff to turn in to seals. I think that was the aim of how you can do it solely through crafting.

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Originally Posted by mayonnegg

You get them from desynthing ST gear too. I got 2 from... can't remember which piece. Belt maybe? Can't remember.

Anyway the new tools, is that purely gated behind GC seals, or are there other ways to obtain moonstones and such?

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The Ixal Deliverance daily quest now awards a moonstone.

Has anyone considered that the missing CP on the apron might be a bug? At least according to the patterns I recall. When comparing the 4 star artisan crafts with the AF sets:

Hands:
AF nq: 2 cp / 27 control
AF hq: 3 cp / 31 control
Art nq: 2 cp / 29 control
Art hq: 3 cp / 33 control

Shoes:
AF nq: 3 craft / 27 control
AF hq: 3 craft / 31 control
Art nq: 3 craft / 29 control
Art hq: 3 craft / 33 control

Pants:
AF nq: 3 craft / 27 control
AF hq: 3 craft /31 control
Art nq: 3 craft / 29 control
Art hq: 3 craft / 33 control

Chest:
AF nq: 2 cp / 27 control / 81 craft
AF hq: 3 cp / 31 control / 92 craft
Art nq: 0 cp / 29 control / 89 craft
Art hq: 0 cp / 33 control / 101 craft

Theory Art nq: 2 cp / 29 control / X craft (lacking info)
Theory Art hq: 3 cp / 33 control / X + Y craft

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Originally Posted by Kendrik

Has anyone considered that the missing CP on the apron might be a bug? At least according to the patterns I recall. When comparing the 4 star artisan crafts with the AF sets:
CP is missing on purpose. To disallow Full Meld possible on chest.


Theory Art nq: 2 cp / 29 control / X craft (lacking info)
Theory Art hq: 3 cp / 33 control / X + Y craft

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CP is missing on purpose. To disallow Full Meld possible on chest. And NQ won't do it. Not possible this time. The gap between NQ and HQ alone in craftsmanship and control is already 3 needed slot in a NQ chest to match with HQ stats.
If it is a bug however >.> SE...y u do dis?

Bug implies that the why would be something along the lines of "we reviewed it, expected it to be there and saw what we expected instead of what was there".
Generally as I've been looking at things the difference between melding the AF sets and melding the 4 star Artisan pieces has been two parts. A) 3 slots instead of 2 slots making it easier and B) somewhat larger materia. Considering that the inherent craft on the chest looks a little higher than I would guess and it perfectly fits 3 IV craft materia and because this is a "high end" crafting piece.... it just looks like a bug to me.

Im' Just getting into 4star (Finish ed melding MY offhand yesterday xD)
Should I go for the Apron, or the gown? <__<

Crafted artisan is still BiS, right?

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Originally Posted by Defteros

Im' Just getting into 4star (Finish ed melding MY offhand yesterday xD)
Should I go for the Apron, or the gown? <__<

Crafted artisan is still BiS, right?

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I personally got the gown for now, at least until prices settle down. Craft Comp IV materia shot up to 500k-700k on my server. I'm really in no mood to spend an extra 1.5 million for stats I really do not need immediately. Of course, if you can afford the first day markup, and/or have the materia on hand, the apron does have a better stat cap.

I also got the gown for glamour, for when I get around to getting an apron for myself. It's much cheaper, and looks a lot better than a potato sack.

I melded craftsmanship +18 control +4 Cp +3 on artisan's chest, my stat is 463/413/355 without food

with Lucis 494/427/355 without food