2.5 Main Scenario requirements

I know most players would have this done by now but...
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...1f30e41d038115

Quest Required Level and Location
Good Intentions Disciple of War or Magic level 50
The Rising Stones (X:6 Y:5)
NPC: Minfilia
Players must first complete the main scenario quest "Let Us Cling Together," and have completed The Bowl of Embers (Hard), The Navel (Hard), and The Howling Eye (Hard).

It a interesting twist in progressing the Main Storyline since these three trials have remained a side content until now.

I guess Square figures they're now face roll enough to where it's pretty much impossible to get stuck on them.

I remember back in the day when garuda HM was fairly challenging and Titan HM was a nightmare and having your relic actually meant something.

I'm surprised it hasn't been a required step for awhile now, considering the other primals are referred to as "hard mode" for the storymode trials.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I guess Square figures they're now face roll enough to where it's pretty much impossible to get stuck on them.

I remember back in the day when garuda HM was fairly challenging and Titan HM was a nightmare and having your relic actually meant something.

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Well it is mostly due to the increase in ilvl. The higher the ilvl players have the faster the kill.

The faster the kill the less mistakes are made.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well it is mostly due to the increase in ilvl. The higher the ilvl players have the faster the kill.

The faster the kill the less mistakes are made.

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its not so much the less mistakes are made, its just easier to carry the ones who do make them (whether intentionally or reasonably)

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

its not so much the less mistakes are made, its just easier to carry the ones who do make them (whether intentionally or reasonably)

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This, I remember back in the old days if someone died before heart or got knocked off, you don't have the DPS to break it. Or if a few DPS turn up under geared they got killed by tumult or if they survived to heart couldn't do the DPS necessary to pass the DPS check. So yes it's about the ilvl but its more about it being much easier to carry the lower ones now instead of them burdening the party to death.

On topic though i'm not sure what reason they would have them be part of the storyline.

Square's way to push people who are on top of things and ignored relics to do HM primals so they help out those who are doing it for the first time.

For what it's worth, it was more than possible to hit the DPS check for heart at i70 even when down a person or two if the ones alive were good. The problem is that your average player is going to do (and strangely content doing) half the damage of good players. "i pley 4 fun" "its not a job" "dis just a gaem" etc etc

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I guess Square figures they're now face roll enough to where it's pretty much impossible to get stuck on them.

I remember back in the day when garuda HM was fairly challenging and Titan HM was a nightmare and having your relic actually meant something.

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god reminded me of my nightmares doing titan HM for relic quest lol 300+ duty finder runs it took me to finally complete that trial = =

I also did my relic via the DF after our FC raid failed it at like 1%---I tried...it was too cruel to expect a PLD+WHM(with raise weakness) to two-man the last 5% or so of Titan---after the 1% wipe nobody wanted to try it again.

My DF runs felt like half the runs couldn't break the core, the other half can break the core but get wrecked quickly afterwards. Perhaps 15% of the runs were more or less stable but would always have one or two newcomers who keep dying before the core or after the core (sometimes both). When the DPS were great, one of the healers would be dying all the time. When both the healers were great, half the DPS would be dying repeatedly.

I think it was three weeks of DF on and off, then I bumped into an FC farming group, did lolPLDdps and basically got carried to my relic because the group was performing perfection itself.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well it is mostly due to the increase in ilvl. The higher the ilvl players have the faster the kill.

The faster the kill the less mistakes are made.

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Don't forget, there were latency issues back in the beginning. Titan HM became easier once that was fixed, and ilvls of most players were roughly the same as they had been before.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Square's way to push people who are on top of things and ignored relics to do HM primals so they help out those who are doing it for the first time.

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More likely just to delay RMT from getting to end game without skipping doing things. That's how SE seems to doing things anyways.

The only time SE seems to implement locks these days is cause RMT are having to easy of a time clearing content down. Not so easy for an RMT to clear those primals solo but very easy for a party with active players.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

people who are on top of things . . . [Snip] . . . . ignored relics.

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People who are on top of things, are on top of them. So they did not let things (eg Relics) slip away.

This example can't exist by definition, so I certainly hope it's not what SE was going for!

Hopefully it is for slowing down RMT etc.

Also, Titan Ex ._. I spent all of January 2014 trying to get a Clear party for Titan. Now it's fluffcakes. You can even dip it in this noobsauce called Echo to make it even more simple.

How exactly are Primals HMs and RMTs connected to one another?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Square's way to push people who are on top of things and ignored relics to do HM primals so they help out those who are doing it for the first time.

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If they are "on top of things", they're doing FCoB today.
As everyone knows, to enter BCoB to begin with, you had to go through Ifrit HM, Garuda HM and Titan HM.
Therefore by definition, those who are "on top of things" cleared the requirements long ago even if they didn't get relic.