[dev1020] Targeting Suggestion

I know targeting isn't really related to the dev tag that I've used, but there is no dev tag for targeting (would help to have one, as its important), now, on to the problems.

The new targeting system based on targeting modes was an improvement compared to the last, but it is still lacking, part of it is because it doesn't favor all classes equally, and the other part is because there is another problem that isn't directly related to it (but is the major flaw in the targeting system). Now, a bit more in-depth:

• The actual targeting system doesn't favor DoM classes, due to their multiple role in the party (DD - healing - buffs - status effects), basically this means that you have, in a battle, to target the enemy and your allies, this makes it extremely cumbersome to have a targeting system where you only target your enemies on a certain mode, and only you allies on another.
  
  Having some monsters disappear (like hedgemoles) only make it worse, as many players I've come across tend to press down to self-target and prepare a AoE heal, as this attack is quite damaging for a DoM. After healing they often forget to get the mode back to all and end up spending some seconds standing still until they figure.
  
  Actually it is a better choice only to use all (yes, you can change the target when you're going to use a spell, but you do lose time having to choose it every time you use one, specially when you just want to hit the same monster)
  
  
  
• The other problem is that the targeting system is based on horizontal position (in relation to the player). As enemies move (and players too) this does cause some problems. An annoying effect is that sometimes you want to target someone that is right next to you to heal and you end up targeting someone, that is miles away, just because he is closer to you horizontally.
  
  Same thing applies to enemies.

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As there are 2 problems I offer 2 suggestions.

First would be to implement a distance based targeting system. I'm really tired of targeting a peiste when there is one right in front of me, only to find out after failing a spell, that I'm actually targeting a peiste behind that one that was a bit closer horizontally.

The second suggestion would be to use the following targeting system (I play using a gamepad, so this might or not apply to other devices):

Up: Cycle enemies
Left / Right: All cycle
Down: Cycle party members (first press self-targets, next presses target other party members)

All this using the distance suggestion. Party targeting could also follow the show order of party healthbars

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I think that would speed up targeting, while keeping specific targeting that modes introduced and being more practical for DoM classes.

You bring up the same annoyances I find targeting, but I have a different idea for targeting:

Hold down auto-run button to target party members with Up and Down running up and down the party list in sequence with the down button self-targeting first if it's pressed first, and Left and right for general proximity targeting friendly targets outside of party. While using the the Up and Down without holding down auto-run would select between only claimed mobs, and Left and Right selecting through unclaimed mobs.

Ideally, there would also be an option to switch whether holding down auto-run will cycle through PC or mob targets in the config menu so players may set the behaviour to the own preferences.

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Originally Posted by Labotohs

I know targeting isn't really related to the dev tag that I've used, but there is no dev tag for targeting (would help to have one, as its important), now, on to the problems.

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You're way better off having NO dev tag, than faking one.

I can't believe I am going to say this, because in general I want to stab anyone in the eyeball that is all: "Make it like FFxi"

but seriously.....just make the targeting like ffxi.....

Keep the new target system & allow the old & new one to be choosen to be activated from the Configuration menu.
Option to choose is what players like.

You've done the tags wrong!

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

You're way better off having NO dev tag, than faking one.

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I made that to get attention to the fact there is no targeting tag at all. I'm still not sure if it was the best choice, but I thought it was better to get attention to that. Also, they actually asked for dev tags to be employed so they can look at suggestions, and we need them to look at it to have the suggestion analyzed.

They need to change the key for the targeting too, the arrow are use for action bar and change targeting system which is annoying in battle.

Keep the new system but instead of using up and down to cycle the types of target just make it so you have to hold a button down and press up and down to change the type. This way you can still use up and down to target as normal including self target, that I like to do to stack buff's before a fight and still quickly change to a different type without doing it accidentally.

Easy fix ^^

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Originally Posted by Zuellni

You bring up the same annoyances I find targeting, but I have a different idea for targeting:

Hold down auto-run button to target party members with Up and Down running up and down the party list in sequence with the down button self-targeting first if it's pressed first, and Left and right for general proximity targeting friendly targets outside of party. While using the the Up and Down without holding down auto-run would select between only claimed mobs, and Left and Right selecting through unclaimed mobs.

Ideally, there would also be an option to switch whether holding down auto-run will cycle through PC or mob targets in the config menu so players may set the behaviour to the own preferences.

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A good idea, I think lock-on button could be used for that, as I'm not sure about using the auto-run on targeting. I feel that people would end up running toward aggressive enemies from time to time.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

Keep the new system but instead of using up and down to cycle the types of target just make it so you have to hold a button down and press up and down to change the type. This way you can still use up and down to target as normal including self target, that I like to do to stack buff's before a fight and still quickly change to a different type without doing it accidentally.

Easy fix ^^

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Its kinda what Zuellni posted but a bit less functional for me.

I don't think its good that you have no way to target only enemies without changing modes on this scheme, (modes have the restrictive problem of not being intuitive nor fast) but that is surely faster for them to implement.

I agree with making it like FFXI. I played whm and blm in XI and had no issues healing the party as whm or blm and then targeting enemies. Party members could easily be targeted using up and down on the control pad and enemies/party by going side to side. Why cant it be this simple in XIV?