So long and good bye 1.0 you'll be missed?

I thought that since the old Lodestone of 1.0 is closing and the closure of the 1.0 forum it would be a good idea to do this to say good bye it.

So come all share your favorite or maybe terrible experienc, moments, fails, or LOL moments in 1.0.

Let's give these 2.0ers a taste of what the game was like back then.

1 the fact that Hilldibrand became so popular when he was originally supposed to make 1 appearance great character.

2 big seamless zones good idea bad in practice so much lag.

3 all the people who stuck it out to see the end of an era YAY.

4 the last job quest needed a full party in hopes to compleat it

5 to realize the red moon was a prison for Bahumat on the day after 1.0 ended EPIC.

But if the 1.0 forum is going away, whatever shall I do if I want to see if there was any drama from THMs and CJNs when they removed SEN and merged it into GLD!? D: History should be preserved!

Farewell Rokien!

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Farewell Rokien!

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I shall simply say how much I miss the writing from v1.0.

I miss actually having a sense that my character was just a normal person trying to get by and survive, and not some super special unique infallible hero (just like everyone else). Their achievements felt meaningful, the NPCs weren't degraded by having them constantly suck up to my character, and it was a story I could imagine happened to my character as a part of something bigger, instead of the end result just being having it slammed in my face over and over that it was all meaningless, because everyone's the super special unique one and therefore no-one could have been. Plus that meant that setting aside engagement with the story, I could feel like my character was a part of the world and not some set-apart special entity that could never really be part of it all.

Now? Now we've got Thancred lying to our faces, claiming we single-handedly defeated Ifrit instead of needing the help of a party (a pattern that's just gone on and on, since. Most things don't emphasise it quite that badly, but not a one of them credits your friends or shows them with you in cutscenes the way v1.0 used to). It's so bad that a literal-reading of the first encounter with Ifrit actually comes out looking like you let the people that helped you face the primal be executed as tempering-addled lunatics in order to steal credit for the victory, and that you left another group of friends to die as Castrum Meridianum collapsed.

I miss being able to enjoy the storyline rather than sitting through it just the once to extract what thematic information I can about a genuinely fascinating setting, whilst trying to ignore the endless boot licking. And I miss the Echo being written as something complex and morally grey, that could hurt a person's memories if used clumsily - why didn't we ever see the vengeance Raya-O promised for having her precious memory of her big sister violated by an echo-user? And why'd we have to have all the mystery v1.0 was working with just infodumped on us by a voiceover in ARR's opening cutscene? The song 'Answers' was so named because it used to be part of a puzzle; and one of my favourite moments in the original storyline was the realisation that a lot of the things my character had been experiencing hadn't been real.

The original release was a catastrophic mess, but it's a mess I would have rather seen fixed than steamrolled into this themepark-esque ego-fantasy we have now. There are plenty of things to enjoy about v2.x, and I understand the necessity behind most of the changes .. but I don't think I'm ever going to lose the sense of melancholy I get whenever I think of the game and philosophy the original wanted to go for, but for being kicked out the door by executives without testing or balancing, and with the equivalent of just a year's proper development time in an engine that wasn't fit to use.

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Originally Posted by Phafi

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And if it was 1.0 I'd do it again (2.0 made major improvements, one area where in all qualities graphically 2.0 is now superior). Although only 1 of them was mine. The graphical mar of quality that was so frequently used deserves its own thread.

I think I'm glad I didn't have a beefy enough PC back then to play 1.0 or it would've put me off XIV forever, every single gameplay video I've seen is either too dull and plain or very slow and boring.

To those saying 1.x was better, maybe that's because it was so bad it was actually good in some ways but you can't deny that 2.0 turned that mess around, the comparisons such as the Primal battles and hell even general movement are Night and Day.

Finally someone made this thread.

I kinda wished the old lodestone were just moved to a more less expensive server instead of shutting them down permanently, but I guess this can't be helped.

Goodbye old friend, you'll be sorely missed. :)

I'm agree with Fensfield, I don't think the game needed to be steamrolled completely but rather fixed. Right now when i see people riding bears, lions or some kind of unicorns (thundered hoof and fired horn) that has nothing to do about a Final Fantasy series or either see some primals being defeated in dungeon like Diabolos or Fenrir (which is a dark based element avatar by the way not ice) i really wonder what's going on with the game ........ at least 1.0 didn't have those incoherence.

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Originally Posted by Nalfein

I'm agree with Fensfield, I don't think the game needed to be steamrolled completely but rather fixed. Right now when i see people riding bears, lions or some kind of unicorns (thundered hoof and fired horn) that has nothing to do about a Final Fantasy series or either see some primals being defeated in dungeon like Diabolos or Fenrir (which is a dark based element avatar by the way not ice) i really wonder what's going on with the game ........ at least 1.0 didn't have those incoherence.

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Go through Lost City or watch the YT of Diablos dieing then watch others. They stated that wasn't the only time for Diablos we will see.

the old sites should be kept up.....after they make an intro for them where dalamud smashes into them rendering them useless.

I'm really upset that it's going away.
Yeah I didn't use it too much. But I knew my legacy was safely stored where I could look back any time.
I suppose it had to happen eventually. A little more forewarning would be nice. Maybe I could have given a farewell blog entry as my first and last entry!

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

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I never played 1.0, so I honestly can't say nothing for or against your point, but alot of that sounds interesting as hell.

And for me, I use my alts, brother's toon and FC as standins for the alliances and storyline itself. It's alot more epic when you envision your characters' personalities jelling with the events as well as your FC mates wrecking house in the final part of the main storyline(Minfillia literally states dozens of FCs are joining in on the battles, there's no excuse).

So that's how I get past that block but otherwise, that does bug me way too much about the story as they act as if the Echo is THAT rare yet the player characters all over the place say otherwise...

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I'm really upset that it's going away.
Yeah I didn't use it too much. But I knew my legacy was safely stored where I could look back any time.
I suppose it had to happen eventually. A little more forewarning would be nice. Maybe I could have given a farewell blog entry as my first and last entry!

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Yeah, I'm surprised that they've decided to shut down the old Lodestone completely, which is even more surprising given the fact it was already archived anyway - even though player profiles and pages were no longer editable, the old Grand Company info and newspaper articles were still good to refer back to for lore stuff - the various Letters from the Producer and patch notes were also interesting to view to see how the game transitioned from it's disastrous birth and turbulent early months, to the departure of Tanaka and his replacement with Yoshi at the helm and his gradual changes to the game, to the decision to pull the plug on 1.0 completely and the resulting lead up to ARR.

As I mentioned on another thread though, at least there is always the Internet Archive to still view it once SE finally turns out the lights for the old Lodestone on March 31st.

However, one possible oversight to shutting it down completely is the loss of important information for transferring a 1.0 character into ARR which is still relevant, as not all 1.0 players moved onto ARR immediately - even now from time to time a 1.0 player finally decides to return and inquire about how to access their 1.0 character etc, information for which is still listed on the old Lodestone and not the ARR one. So that valuable info would be lost (maybe relist that particular page on the new Lodestone instead?).

Ah well, it's SE's servers so I guess they've decided to do a bit of cleaning and decided the old Lodestone no longer warranted the server space it was taking up. :(

They should have done that sooner.

Now we'll only see 1.0 nostalgia / whine again, not that we did have enough of it.

1.0 is over, it was the moment they closed the servers, some regret it, others appreciate it, let's leave it at that.

Sayonara Old Lodestone.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Yeah, I'm surprised that they've decided to shut down the old Lodestone completely, which is even more surprising given the fact it was already archived anyway - the old Grand Company info and newspaper articles were good to refer back to for lore stuff.

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I actually saved a copy of my characters page and achievement history, the same for my wifes, and all the grand company/newspaper article information.
It's actually quite strange they're just eradicating history like that. But I suppose ingame lore wise, physical copies of that stuff would likely be lost by now. If not during the calamity, but over the course of 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

A little more forewarning would be nice. Maybe I could have given a farewell blog entry as my first and last entry!

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It's not going away until March 31. You have time.


All that said...I gave up on 1.0 after about a month or so. What they expected us to do just to level up drove me nuts. (this was back when leves were the primary means of leveling)
Now...I've been with 2.0 since (re)launch.
Some may be nostalgic for it. I don't miss the endless wandering to scrape some EXP up. I don't miss the anti-poopsocking features. I don't miss feeling sluggish. And I don't miss the hoops I had to jump through just to RUN the game.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

It's not going away until March 31. You have time.


All that said...I gave up on 1.0 after about a month or so. What they expected us to do just to level up drove me nuts. (this was back when leves were the primary means of leveling)
Now...I've been with 2.0 since (re)launch.
Some may be nostalgic for it. I don't miss the endless wandering to scrape some EXP up. I don't miss the anti-poopsocking features. I don't miss feeling sluggish. And I don't miss the hoops I had to jump through just to RUN the game.

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Actually, almost immediately after the notice they removed the login allowance. So I can't even log in to make that farewell notice! Well it's not like I was much of a blogger anyway...
As for 1.0, actually version 1.0 wasn't all that grand. Once Yoshida took over things really got into gear though and it was a rather playable game by the end. Though I can understand someone that would be turned off from it easily enough.

What I will miss the most are the animations that they removed with ARR (excluding the animations lockouts) and the community was overall better than now to a sense of unity. You could meet many friends just by joining a raptor party in boulder downs and play together later. Now that doesn't happen because of Duty Finder.
Duty Finder is a useful tool but also severe the union between players from same server since they just jump on DF to do anything and don't socialize much as before.

I will miss out the 8 man dungeons (still praying to them bring them back with the old AV/CC reworked or not or new ones that give challenge).
I will miss out the so called speed runs and open chests to get the extra chest and of course the RNG. I know everyone hates RNG and me too but getting things handed with 100% drop isn't challenge. We can't be proud of being like in my case one of monks with full DL in whole server in Ragnarok when there was like 5-6 bodies around only. Everyone can get them in a short time and nothing to be in awe but you would get a great sense of accomplishment when you got it. In my case I got mine with only 7 members and with me with 200 hp and other 2 DD nearly dead and went even to my loot like if was destiny. I will never forget this. That feeling we miss it in ARR. This option would make other viable way without lockouts and LS/FC could help each others and farm until bleed and see a drop but the gratification would be greater :)

Lets see what 3.0 will bring with new loot systems (if there is one) and make things more fun.

Eh... Lodestone and forums are going away?

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Originally Posted by Whimsicalalien

Eh... Lodestone and forums are going away?

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Nope. Only the original Lodestone from FFXIV version 1.0 (found here) which had been archived is being shut down. But the ARR Lodestone and this forum will of course remain.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Farewell Rokien!

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I kind of miss him. The ARR beta threads were entertaining in their own way.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Farewell Rokien!

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Haha almost forgot about him... what happened? He does not play ARR? ;D

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Its funny about what people argued about... here they argued about jumping in the alpha footage ^

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-alpha-footage

talking about limiting jump ;)

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Farewell Rokien!

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Don't forget Gath! "Gath's 1 gil is worth more than your 1 gil!". Man I miss that guy.

Gift Horse, anyone?

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Haha almost forgot about him... what happened? He does not play ARR? ;D

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iirc, someone accidentally had his bank refund his sub fee while he was abroad. This is a black mark against SE in financial terms, so they cancelled his account. Something like that, anyway, i think.

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But if the 1.0 forum is going away, whatever shall I do if I want to see if there was any drama from THMs and CJNs when they removed SEN and merged it into GLD!? D: History should be preserved!

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Nope :
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...English-Forums

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Originally Posted by Dererk

2 big seamless zones good idea bad in practice so much lag.

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I didn't think this was pulled off well, you saw these obvious empty "bottleneck" corridors between each region in where you could see little to no distance, which is as good a loading screen as any. Okay I don't play on PS3.

I think Rokien's account was banned from posting in the forums but he has been back occasionally under TeaTimeBear. Despite all his doom and gloom predictions, the game is still going ;)

A few of us often talk about stuff we miss from 1.0 :-

Having to actually journey out to a dungeon in order to enter it (every time, not just to open up the DF portal like now). It actually gave a nice feeling as a team to group together and gather outside; now you don't have to be anywhere near each other and just feels a bit empty. With DF I don't see that they can go back on that now and don't get me wrong getting dungeons done with anyone (i.e. players from another server) is a good change, just a sort of thing I miss from 1.0 though.

Monsters used to have more character and aggro in a different way- I think salamanders actually used to turn and give you an "evil glare" before they started to hit you.

There was a sense of danger moving through areas with really high level mobs that could kill you in one hit (like level 70+)- now everything is capped at level 50 and there is very little worry. Made the whole world interesting, dangerous and a challenge to get to some areas.

Different mobs spawning at night time (or did I imagine that... sure wight type creatures used to appear near the old bloodshore).

Something I won't miss that they did actually change in 1.0 before the end- FATIGUE. Yeah.

I miss doctor mog.

All my best posts will vanish!

Better archive them and see if I can update em.

Bestiary must still happen!

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Originally Posted by Nalfein

I'm agree with Fensfield, I don't think the game needed to be steamrolled completely but rather fixed. Right now when i see people riding bears, lions or some kind of unicorns (thundered hoof and fired horn) that has nothing to do about a Final Fantasy series or either see some primals being defeated in dungeon like Diabolos or Fenrir (which is a dark based element avatar by the way not ice) i really wonder what's going on with the game ........ at least 1.0 didn't have those incoherence.

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Well... For about the first year of 1.0 it had almost nothing to do with final fantasy. No classic jobs. No primals until ifrit almost a year after release. No chocobo mounts. One of the biggest fan complaints was it didn't feel like a final fantasy game at all.

Good evening.

I just read the news of the deletion of the old Lodestone and wasn't expecting it. I remember that when the new Lodestone was being introduced, it was said that the old one would be kept online in an archived form for all the posts that were written there. I was glad when I read this, because it showed respect for us and what we wrote as a community.

I thought that Yoshida and his team were aware that in the old Lodestone – that by the way I still consider superior to the new one for the way it was organised – there were several adventurers writing about their Journey in Eorzea. Back then I had more free time and I dedicated a lot of it to write about my Adventures. Still today, sometimes I just go back and read those posts, and look at the photos of past travels, explorations, fun times, and lost comrades.
I also made this forum post in the old forums to cover all my entries, both for the lore-interested adventurers, and to have my entries in one list as I sometimes liked to read them again...

Now, with this news that all those written memories will be erased, I feel like those like me that felt the soul and the good that the old Eorzea had, while the masses were bashing and insulting it, and who supported it from the start to the end, are kind of forgotten, as the dev team decided to delete all our memories.
Of course, the memories live within us, etcetera etcecera... but writing those posts and communicating on the Lodestone was part of the play: time spent there wasn't time spent in Eorzea, and for a reason.

I don't have much time to play anymore, I returned briefly for holidays, and now that holidays are over, I won't renew my subcription. Nostalgia is mainly what makes me return every now and then: see Eorzea again, and some of the old faces from Bodhum and Excalibur. Even if now it turned into “A Rush Reborn”, where everything is done with the “Haste” status effect on with most adventurers only thinking at the goal and reaching it as fast as possible, even if now the Thirteenth deity Randomness rules the aether, even if now I see it turned into “one of the masses”... I still enjoy the small things I enjoyed in the old Eorzea.

As much as it is a virtual game world, in the past having this amusement proved a Great pastime in a few difficult moments of my Subliman life, when after returning from certain hellish places I really needed a diversion, and Eorzea was there. And for this, I'll always be grateful to those minds who created this realm.

Thus, it deeply saddens my Subligar – which I just dyed gold a few suns ago – that someone else is deciding to delete forever mine and my old friends' posts of our old adventures, after all those talks about “gratitude to Legacy players”. Someone else has already decided for us and I cannot do anything about it.
I cannot accept such a disrespectful decision, but I'm being forced to.

If this message will ever reach Yoshida-san and the dev team: Thanks for remembering us!

Cloudio Onizuka, true adventurer of the never forgotten old Eorzea

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Well... For about the first year of 1.0 it had almost nothing to do with final fantasy. No classic jobs. No primals until ifrit almost a year after release. No chocobo mounts. One of the biggest fan complaints was it didn't feel like a final fantasy game at all.

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Ah yes, because 'Final Fantasy' is nothing but a pile of repeating names and animals >.> The primals/eikons were in the game and a part of the setting from day one - Ifrit had a far more impressive introduction in the pre-Yoshida builds than it gets now even if the subsequent engagement with it was rather sad thanks to the strategy of including non-combat roles in the main storyline (and subsequent lack of development time to even try making something reasonable of that): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we4A-ANiZ5Q&t=3m33s The others may not have been a part of things in what was able to be included as the game was shoved out, but Titan was in the game files at launch exactly as it appears now, and the Sylphs and Ixali made explicit references to Ramuh and Garuda. Moogles in v1.x had my favourite representation of the critters in any of the games as being the setting's equivalent of traditional-style fairies - the rebuild has practically gotten rid of that!

Those complaints are rooted in, again, the fact that the game was launched incomplete. But even setting aside the old bit about how Wada and co' screwed everything over by trying to make money off selling boxes alone, there was plenty of Final Fantasy feel to v1.0 before the concerted effort to 'fix' it. Yoshida's statement that 'XIV v1.0 had no identity besides "Not XI"' has always been complete rubbish, for one thing: the entire game was one big homage to Final Fantasy Tactics. Its primary systems (stats, character development and so forth) closely matched the way Tactics' worked, and its setting not only shared the same sense of period and moral ambiguity as Tactics' but also made explicit reference to it on multiple occasions: the Ala Mhigan Corpse Brigade for instance was practically lifted wholesale from Ivalice. Hell, the v2.0 project actually removed a fair bit of the original design's identity in that regard and replaced it with these far shallower but more generally-known ones like job names and shoehorned-in famous locations. And many of the intended systems that we never got to see (such as Linkshells being able to use custom-Leves to create and post their own tasks for groups to compete over on their behalf) were pretty plain references to other games under the Ivalice/Tactics name.

As far as I was concerned it felt plenty-like a Final Fantasy in the ways that counted; feel, setting, and story bringing a sense of familiarity whilst still attempting to come up with something thematically new. Or are you going to rag on VII for not sticking WHITE MAGE over Aeris' head and MONK over Tifa's, VIII for not launching into some tirade about living planets and sentient crystals, or hey, Final Fantasy I for not having chocobo or I-V for not containing a single moogle?

For me, personally? I'd actually say v2.0 is less fundamentally in the spirit of Final Fantasy than v1.0 was. However horribly wrong things went v1.0 was trying to be a Final Fantasy; what we have now (whilst blessedly still deep enough to be interesting and perhaps fundamentally a good game) treads dangerously close to being the FF-equivalent of a themed Disneyland ride.

I would love it if they added the real Riven road fight in game as a wandering minstrel recollection it was fun. Can't we have this it would also be cool if he could also give us a big alliance raid that centered around the battle of cartano where we have to survive for a set time till Bahamut is freed and 5 minutes after it be a fun endurance raid of back to back fights.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Haha almost forgot about him... what happened? He does not play ARR? ;D

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...25-Poor-Rokien!

Short story, we had to kick him because he was spamming to entire LS member including me. Wasn't that long before I had to move server with this as one of reason.

I think he's still around using new nick. Just not as much as he did in 1.0.

Hello,

We understand the sentiment of everyone who actively used the old Lodestone blogs and the feelings that go along with the decision to shut it down, and I’d like to take a moment to explain the reasoning behind it.

The equipment used for the old Lodestone server was purchased back in 2008 and due to the fact that it is now six years later, the support for the hardware as well as the drivers and update services for the software has begun to be phased out.

While we’ve been doing our best until now to continue service of the old Lodestone, we’ve reached a point where replacements as well as large-scale software and system alterations would be necessary in order to keep it going from here on out.

With the current situation in mind, we had been exploring if it would be possible to somehow keep everyone’s blogs intact; however, as a result of looking into various plans as well as the current page views and access numbers for the old Lodestone, we've decided to close the old Lodestone and utilize the freed up server racks and resources for new uses (for example, FFXIV game servers or the development of new content). We will be allocating our energy to provide players with more and more new services as we move forward.

Though it might be an inconvenience, if you’d like to keep your blog entries we recommend that you save them to a local folder before the old Lodestone closes. We apologize to all the players who have been supporting us since 1.0 and hope for your understanding.

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...we've decided to close the old Lodestone and utilize the freed up server racks and resources for new uses (for example, FFXIV game servers or the development of new content).

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Best option tbh... +1

Ah, so that's why. Thank you Camate for letting us know, it's much appreciated. :)

At the very least we can still see our old pictures and history on the new lodestone. We'll only be really losing the blogs.