Loot Reservation Party Finder

Does this exist on other servers? Since the patch that allowed people to grind farm second coil, there are party finders up constantly like such:

Turn 8 Farm Group - No 100 Sol, Fail = insta kick, WHM, Tank, Monk gear reserved.


I personally find it laughable, and have messaged the owner of that particular recruiting party asking for info. Here is one of the general conversations paraphrased:

Me: Hey, I'm curious, what's this whole loot reserved thing about?

Owner: Yeah, it's if my or someone elses loot comes up , they get it.

Me: Well, isn't that kinda silly? Party finder you take your chances like everyone else?

Owner: Oh it's just a trust system. Don't let it ruin your faith in humanity.

Me: What happens if a person rolls on the loot you've "reserved" then?

Owner: Well, we kick them from the party, everyone blacklists them, and then we contact the biggest/most popular free companies to get them blacklisted there.

Me: Seems really strange to me, it's like saying "join my party to help me run this, do all the work, but if loot you need comes up you damn well better not roll on it."

Owner: no reply.


Now this isn't just for second coil parties anymore. (And i seriously laugh at someone trying to reserve loot in a PF pre-nerf, or in final coil), but it has creeped into many areas of the game, including shiva EX, T5 etc.

I can understand hardcore progression statics arranging who is to get loot on a who-really-needs basis, but this is insane.


Thoughts anyone?

Yh I think it's pretty silly to try reserving drops not on the class you're playing. At least it isn't something I'd do. If I wanna reserve an item for myself I force lock it via class restriction and run on the class that I want to loot for.

Class restriction, i can agree with that. If i'm running a role i want gear for, i'l try to make sure that i don't have a matching roll. But yeah, it's not even just for classes they aren't playing. To me PF is "come help me with this, or get this done yourself, and take the roll of the dice with me on what drops".

I think it's made even more vulgar by the anti-social results of people being blacklisted etc if they actually roll on something they need that's been "reserved".

Keep reservations to FC / static groups, and out of the party finder!

It's common on my server.

Birds of a feather flock together. If you want to join, you join. If you are not interested, you don't join. They play their game, you play yours. As simply as that. :cool:

Oh i can understand not joining. I simply think the concept is stupid. You does your job, you take your chances.

They'll contact the biggest FC on the server and they'll spread shit about you if you roll/win the item they "reserved"?

Sound very elitist and frankly rather pathetic.

Pretty much mate. Worst part is it isn't even just the elitist side of playerbase that is doing this, it's spreading into common usage. Can't join most of the parties on PF due to refusing to join a "reserved loot" party.

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Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention

Pretty much mate. Worst part is it isn't even just the elitist side of playerbase that is doing this, it's spreading into common usage. Can't join most of the parties on PF due to refusing to join a "reserved loot" party.

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Just make your own mate. Believe me, taking initiative in pf is the least stressful way to go about it. + Why should you wait for the pf that suits you? make your own o/

Loot locking is common on my server to, my friends and i did it a lot when weekly cap was removed from turns 1-5 back in the day.We never had any issues with people wanting loot that we locked and when said piece did drop the person wanting it was the last to leave. I'd have to do some digging but almost 100% sure if all players in a party agree to the conditions of how loot is distributed by rules made by the leader and the rules are broken you can contact a GM to resolve it. As for said leader telling you if you ninja lot and get the locked item and they inform other FCs, that's a double edge sword. yes thats pretty dickish that they would try in great effort to have other FCs blacklist you but at the same time if you and some friends were trying to farm something and you had to pf some roles and for what ever reason you were forced to play as one role but want gear for another role and locked it then someone ninja lots your drop would you warn friends,ls,fc mates that theyre a ninja lotter? But when I see gear locked its G>N pick two items first X item is locked.

I can agree in part with your reasoning, but to me that's what party finder is, it's a roll of the dice.

No one would bother to try loot locking in final coil, nor did they before second coil was grindable. To me if someone wants loot for a certain role, they play in that role, whether that be later when they can get the party together that way or just make a full 8 man team outwith the party finder.

Someone comes in my PF, they have no reservations to deal with, they have the same chance as anyone else to get their gear, and no hard feelings if they get it over me.

It's not stupid to lock loot even if your not on the class/job it's their pf they are free to make the rules .

But it is stupid to blist some one cuz of this I'm sure that getting pretty much the whole server to b list some one for well any thing is agents the rules.

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Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention

...Thoughts anyone?

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I think the most funny part is SE says they will handle reportings against players who violate any pre-defined rules regardless how "fair" the rules. ^^;
In short, we don't need judge any rules, SE already says they have enough free man power to follow-up such important players' own issues.
In short, SE encourages this kind of rules.

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

I think the most funny part is SE says they will handle reportings against players who violate any pre-defined rules regardless how "fair" the rules. ^^;
In short, we don't need judge any rules, SE already says they have enough free man power to follow-up such important players' own issues.
In short, SE encourages this kind of rules.

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If your gonna give that kind of information, source please?

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Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention

If your gonna give that kind of information, source please?

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I am not disagree with you. I just responsed to your question and let you know what I had thought ^^;

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

One of the first things we are looking into doing is adding a system so information is displayed in the chat log regarding who lotted on an item.

We've received a lot of requests to make it possible to pass after you've already lotted on an item, but due to the current system as well as prospects for the future we do not have any plans to implement this at the moment.

Also, while this isn't limited to only the topic at hand, it's extremely difficult to prevent human error by creating perfect rules within the game system as it becomes something that forces players to go through a cumbersome process. (Such as going through multiple confirmation windows.)

Naturally we will continue to make changes to the system for improvements, but ultimately we feel that there are situations where we would like you to decide on the rules amongst yourselves. Before entering a duty, make sure that all party members are informed of the agreement and who is able to lot on which item. All party members should agree to those terms before entering to ensure an agreement is clearly understood.

Breaking these agreements, or behavior that imposes on other players' enjoyment of the game, will not be tolerated. If after an investigation it's confirmed that a player clearly understood the rules when joining a group and still acted in such a manner, proper action will be taken against the player, which may include confiscation of the item or account suspension, so please avoid doing anything like this.

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I got all my 2nd coil loot for alt classes (caster, healer, mnk/nin, drg) playing as tank.
Also got all shiva weapons and bracelets playing as tank.

It works if everyone come on their best classes/jobs, one shot the fight, and if the loot someone wants drops, they get it.

It's much better than having ppl who can't handle tanking or healing trying to tank or heal t6-t9/shiva, but they can do awesome DPS, so it's better to have them on DPS than to waste everyone's time trying to do something they don't know.

The way we usually do on Goblin is everyone choose one left-side and one right-side gear they want.
If it drops and no one asked for it, it's yours.
If 2+ ppl want the same loot, only those 2+ ppl roll on it.
If no one asked for the loot that dropped, everyone can roll on it (Greed only).
(Sands, oils, mounts are ok to everyone to Need)

I would love to see that on my server, so I could take their loot n watch em cry.

Reserve my fist!

Sometimes a rule like this could be implemented if a player needs to go a certain class in order to get a good farm going (as they are the best person in your team to do that job!), but they only want loot for a different class.

Say if your current Tank wants the Ninja weapon from T9. He could play as Ninja and Need on it uncontested if it drops, but then you don't have a Tank. If nobody else in the group can tank it instead, you end up back on PF - this could result in a long wait, and you could end up with a worse player and lots of wipes.

Alternatively, the rest of the party could simply agree to let him to get his weapon uncontested if it drops. Hey presto, you can start quicker, and get a good farm going.

Any such reservations are fair enough IMO, as long as they are made clear up front. Clearly, you shouldn't join a group if they have reserved something that you want.

It is used almost exclusively on hyperion pf. Never had anyone have an issue with it, never seen anyone ninja lot anything, and rarely see anyone loot and scoot. Now there are plently of postings that are rediculous in nature but the rules are clearly there and it is up to the individuals to participate under those rules or not.

Greed only - pick 2 items you whant to roll on. Stuff Nobody whants is freeloot! It has the benefit to join with your highest Ilevel class or a class wich is actually needet-. If you dont like it dont join said party and join a gimped party where everyone is 20 Ilevel lower and wich will take longer to farm.

greed parties were common on Balmung and were often the most successful ones. Pick an item, 2 people max per item, 2 loot max per player at a time, 1 run as cooldown once you got your loot before picking up a new loot. People who cheated the loot rules were reported to GM and nowhere to be seen for a few days after that.

I haven't seen many since I transferred, people on Cerberus tend to do need parties and just roll on whatever.

My only issue with loot reservation is that if someone wants MNK gear... they should be able to clear that raid/trial/whatever on that job. If you can't because you are still gearing up that class... then do it with your FC. Or at a bare minimum, if WHM gear is reserved for the DRG who can't be bothered actually healing the fight, if another WHM joins via PF, they should greed against each other. At least that is reasonable.