Sabotender Emperatriz

Came across a pretty rude derpqo'te when I told the dps to target Guardia so we could burn him down so we could interrupt the Emperatriz. We wiped twice before we had this converstion

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So posting this thread so players know to target Guardia until it's dead then target the Emperatriz to interrupt it and also as a reminder that a little humility goes a long way.

Most people know how to do this boss fight by now. It's just a select few being stupid.

The cactaur that covers the emperor dies so fast, why is this a problem? Also, can use LB to increase the dps needed to interrupt too. I've never had a problem from DPS on this boss, the first time I did it we cleared in one go too, I was a bit scared of it all cause I was trying to help dps with Holy :p but DPS should be competent enough for a healer to not need to dps at all on this fight.

Our dps was fine, the issue was the other 3 members were preformed and the healer was directing the dps to attack emp even when guard was up because i was the only one attacking guard until the 3rd try. :(

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Originally Posted by ArkNova

Our dps was fine, the issue was the other 3 members were preformed and the healer was directing the dps to attack emp even when guard was up because i was the only one attacking guard until the 3rd try. :(

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Ah yes, the old "we're a premade group so we're right and you're wrong no matter what" situation. It doesn't happen often, but it can be crippling when it does.

Anyway, this does sound like an exceptional case. I don't think I've ever actually seen the boss succeed in getting the needles attack off. Then again, I tend to go crazy with Stone II when that Guardia shows its face. I have a feeling this won't happen to you again for a while, if ever. Most groups have the sense to listen to reasonable advice in the event of a dungeon boss wipe.

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Originally Posted by EmeraldAres

Ah yes, the old "we're a premade group so we're right and you're wrong no matter what" situation. It doesn't happen often, but it can be crippling when it does.

Anyway, this does sound like an exceptional case. I don't think I've ever actually seen the boss succeed in getting the needles attack off. Then again, I tend to go crazy with Stone II when that Guardia shows its face. I have a feeling this won't happen to you again for a while, if ever. Most groups have the sense to listen to reasonable advice in the event of a dungeon boss wipe.

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I'm surprised there wasn't a mage LB put there for when the guardia pops out. It instantly kills the adds and allows you to burn her down without problems. Hell, even a melee LB will 1-shot the Guardia.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm surprised there wasn't a mage LB put there for when the guardia pops out. It instantly kills the adds and allows you to burn her down without problems. Hell, even a melee LB will 1-shot the Guardia.

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party setup was pld(me), drg,brd, and whm. i did ask the drg to lb the guard but he lb'd the first giant cactus by mistake ._.

Had a dragoon the other day who kept only targeting the boss and wouldn't listen. DPS really does attract the kind of faceroll players who are looking to skate by without a single braincell.

It's sort of funny when people still don't get how this boss works. After the first day everyone knew the strats for it. Not that the DPS matter that much anymore with more geared White Mages who can destroy the adds and the boss with Holy. If a White Mage and a decent Bard are in the party it goes down insanely fast. The easy way is to just gather the Guardia and boss together and then have a Black Mage LB everything left if you have one in the party though you shouldn't really need it.

Does it make matters worse the whm that was snapping at me without clear knowledge of the fight had 4020 tomes worth of poetic gear and they lead a FC that's check marked as a hardcore raid FC? But yeah this was a bit of a vent/informative thread I'll admit.

I'm always on DRG when I'm in this dungeon, and I'll almost always use the LB on the Guardian. One time the healer laughed at me when I did it because he had never seen it done before. I just explained that sometimes I get a group that doesn't understand the fight or whatever, and it's easier to just do it rather than die. When the dungeon was new, that was standard procedure. I just haven't gotten out of the habit.

Holy+Flare+Bard AoE= Every thing in sight dead.

Love it when I tank Quarn and Satasha HMs with that combo.

As for your derp team... I feel sorry for that Mages subordenents.

We had problems, not about killing the guardian nor Emperatriz. We did a lot of dps on the Empz and the adds spawned so fast :).

Our words were "Oh holy shit" :D. A few aoes and they had been killed.

The little adds don't really hurt anyway even if they gang up on me as the Healer they are not really doing enough damage to worry about them i just Holy them down and they die in a couple of hits. The big guy with the club that targets somebody hurts as does it's AoE but it's easy to avoid and it doesn't have that much HP. Best thing you can do is push DPS so they all spawn and then just AoE the whole mess down. Nothing will be spawned long enough to do any real damage unless somebody stays in the AoE circles and takes the spikes.

For speed runs on this dungeon and even when I am in a roulette with random folks as a WHM I cleric stance / holy on that fight. It rips the adds apart and let's the DPS focus on the boss. When the green tether pops up that is covering the boss i'm still casting holy and dps does a quick switch to down it then back to the boss.

We don't LB this boss since AE Holy makes the encounter trivial. The damage to the group is barely enough to warrant a medica2 on the group. I will benediction the tank when he is low, but otherwise it is almost entirely nothing but Holy spam and good game. Before anyone complains.. yes I know when to swap out of cleric stance and heal my group in the odd chance someone gets hit by an AE they didn't get out of.

Save Mage LB for burning random large trash pulls like the one before the emperatiz. If you don't have a mage then LB the cover add on emperatiz if you want.

...People had a hard time with this in a full party? Hell, I 3 manned this boss when the tank dc'd with a ninja and a blm for DPS. Killed it with only 2 people dps'ing, since I was scrambling everywhere keeping the ninja tank and blm healed at something like i95.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

...People had a hard time with this in a full party? Hell, I 3 manned this boss when the tank dc'd with a ninja and a blm for DPS. Killed it with only 2 people dps'ing, since I was scrambling everywhere keeping the ninja tank and blm healed at something like i95.

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Thing is, you had both DPS. That's what matters. This is one of those fights where it's not necessarily the healer or tank that will cause a wipe if they die or are faceroll retarded, but the DPS. Unfortunately, many DPS pick the job simply because it's unimportant, "no pressure", and they feel like they can gimp it up and nobody will notice. Here, more than anywhere else, WE NOTICE.

I've never had any trouble with this fight until the other day. Was running with a BRD who decided that the adds weren't strong enough to bother with and so would not attack any of them, just kept attacking the boss making adds spawn faster and faster. By the time the guardia add spawned I couldn't even find him in time because the other large add was still up and 4 or so little ones. BRD continued attacking the boss even though it was covered and then we wiped for my first time ever on that boss.