New Dungeons PLEASE!

We've seen Sastasha HM, we've seen Brayflox HM. Tam Tara, Copperbell, Halatali, Haukke Manor, Qarn, Stone Vigil, even a new Amdapor type dungeon. Am I the only person who wants to see Toto-Rak, Cutter's Cry, Dzemael Darkhold, and Aurum Vale given hard modes too?

Edit: confirmed in Patch 2.5, Amdapor Keep HM, Wanderer's Palace HM, and Keeper of the Lake... can we please keep recycling the nostalgic dungeons too?

I heard, second hand, that the reason dungeons that existed in 1.0 aren't getting hard modes is that they were designed differently somehow than dungeons in 2.0, so making a hard mode of them would be as much work as making a new dungeon from scratch. But again, I've got no official source for this.

As WellFooled said, I believe they went over this during the Tokyo Fan Fest when the new dungeons were announced. Presumably they designed the new to 2.0 dungeons with the idea of hard mode versions to be released later in mind, but the dungeons that existed in 1.x obviously were not designed in such a way. All I can imagine is that for the 2.0+ dungeons they actually had more assets and paths set up upon release that they later used for the HM versions, whereas there was nothing unused in the 1.x dungeons to draw from, so completely new areas would have to be made and somehow incorporated into the overall design of the existing dungeon.

SE has done a great job at making recycled dungeons feel new and different though. I really feel the HM versions are different from normal mode runs.

I guess I'll settle for new Zodiac step and new HMs of already level 50 dungeons. Obviously everyone has their own opinion on how they think a game should develop, and my opinion is just different. But as they say, you always wish for things that you don't have, so if I had these HMs, I'd probably wish for different unique ones.

There is a quiet elegance to the fact that every single new dungeon introduced in vanilla 2.0 launch has received a hard mode version within the 2.x patch series. The only dungeons missing hard modes are the ones from 1.0 that received new versions when updated to 2.0 systems.

Where is our Castrum Meridianum HM? ^^

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

SE has done a great job at making recycled dungeons feel new and different though. I really feel the HM versions are different from normal mode runs.

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Because they're super easy to speed run and you can ignore the mechanics of certain bosses :P
(I'm sorry. I'm still jaded that, even though the HM dungeons are nice, they're just not challenging. Not even for casual players).

They can keep Hard Modes of all of those far away from me and I'll be pleased as punch. >.>

Amdapor Keep HM looking forward to another demon wall that troll people to forum cry about its to hard!!

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Originally Posted by Tagihi

Amdapor Keep HM looking forward to another demon wall that troll people to forum cry about its to hard!!

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Lol, when was it hard? Even in 2.0, that thing was your standard DPS check.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

Lol, when was it hard? Even in 2.0, that thing was your standard DPS check.

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Well.. i remeber for many it was.

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Originally Posted by Tagihi

Well.. i remeber for many it was.

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I guess. I seem to remember it being more difficult for parties with summoners.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

We've seen Sastasha HM, we've seen Brayflox HM. Tam Tara, Copperbell, Halatali, Haukke Manor, Qarn, Stone Vigil, even a new Amdapor type dungeon. Am I the only person who wants to see Toto-Rak, Cutter's Cry, Dzemael Darkhold, and Aurum Vale given hard modes too?

Edit: confirmed in Patch 2.5, Amdapor Keep HM, Wanderer's Palace HM, and Keeper of the Lake... can we please keep recycling the nostalgic dungeons too?

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They should add CC and AV from 1.23 as hard modes.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

I guess. I seem to remember it being more difficult for parties with summoners.

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SMN made bees easier to deal with, dot up everything instantly with Bane -> LB -> etc. Demon Wall was never hard, but neither was Titan HM and people had trouble with that too.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

SMN made bees easier to deal with, dot up everything instantly with Bane -> LB -> etc. Demon Wall was never hard, but neither was Titan HM and people had trouble with that too.

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I remember all the tanks fishing for 2/3 progress on AK :D

Hoping theres more history lore to come out of the HM versions of AK and WP.

Really look forward to these new dungeons.it would be great if one of the boss is mini-primal just like siren(pharos sirius) and sabotender (2nd boss qarn hm) both of them are ff 8's primal(Guardian Force).

you can actually see how the 2.0 dungeons differ. they actually have parts of the hm built in already. i wouldnt be surprised if most of the hm was already coded in the original dungeon design. but the hm dungeons have visible parts in the nm versions. thats probably what they meant by the design is different.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

As WellFooled said, I believe they went over this during the Tokyo Fan Fest when the new dungeons were announced. Presumably they designed the new to 2.0 dungeons with the idea of hard mode versions to be released later in mind, but the dungeons that existed in 1.x obviously were not designed in such a way. All I can imagine is that for the 2.0+ dungeons they actually had more assets and paths set up upon release that they later used for the HM versions, whereas there was nothing unused in the 1.x dungeons to draw from, so completely new areas would have to be made and somehow incorporated into the overall design of the existing dungeon.

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To add on: it's not so much that there's some sort of tech keeping them from doing HMs of the 1.0 dungeons - it's that they already basically revamped them for ARR and they wanted to focus on the newer dungeons rather than do yet another revamp for the 1.0 ones.

the 1.0->2.0 conversion already taking place seems a likely reason combined with the fact that CC, toto-rak, and AV are some of the most despised dungeons in the game.

Looking forward to the new dungeons in 2.5!