Well, I'm not going to say that "Am I the only one who.." because I'm not the only one who is annoyed by the spamming gil sellers and their botting parties roaming over and about in our lovely Eorzea.
Why hasn't SE made any updates on battling against these felons? Oh, I'm sure they have banned a kazillion accounts that are doing the selling, but why not make it easier for the players at least? Why not make an update for the players so they don't have to deal with the ongoing advertisements in the game?
A powerful way to deal with this, would be to allow players block tells from people under level X if they are not on your friends list. This way they wouldn't be able to spam tells with their level 1 characters. Also, you should be able to block receiving friend requests which automatically add the person on your friends list temporarily. Most annoying ones are the gil sellers who first befriend you and you can't block them unless you delete their friend request first.
My blacklist is also full and removing those to make room to block new gil sellers is annoyingly slow and takes my game time in the process. Also make it so that you can single click report these people as gil sellers and a confirmation window after that. I don't want to spend any of my time writing a ticket about every single player that tries to sell me gil through tells.
At least update us something like this so we can play in peace without having to see these annoying gil selling messages on our screens all the time. It really ruins the gaming experience when sometimes you get many tells under 1 minute.
Gil sellers and how to stop them.
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12-27-2014, 04:41 AMNasibihcGil sellers and how to stop them.
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12-27-2014, 04:52 AMXystic
They don't just use level 1 characters. If you have any experience with RMT's and their advertisement policies, they use stolen accounts which may have characters ranging from 1 to whatever the max level may be in any MMO.
On an average day, I only need to remove about 10 from my list which takes about 15 secs, which is usually more than enough to block the days worth of RMT tells. I hear some servers require more but that is because there are probably a lot more gil buyers on those servers and it would make sense to advertise heavier on those servers.
The only true way to knock out gil sellers is to knock out the consistent buyers. -
12-27-2014, 05:13 AMTabmow
"The only true way to knock out gil sellers is to knock out the consistent buyers." This.Stop buying gill and (most) sellers move on.
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12-27-2014, 05:21 AMNoshpanThis. Quoted for truth and justice. So long as there are lazy rubes willing to buy in-game currencies, and those who are too apathetic to be against the purchase of in-game currency, there will always be spammers advertising the purchase of in-game currency. So long as there is a demand, there will always be a supply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xystic
Until such a time as that happens, however, I wish that the team would implement a feature similar to WoW, where, upon reporting a gil spammer, that spammer is "muted" to the character you are currently on, for as long as you are logged onto that character. No need to add it to your black list (you would be able to actually reserve the black list for players you want nothing to do with). -
12-27-2014, 06:16 AMSekhmetM
If SE had actual active in-game GMs there would not be ANY RMTs running around. Instant banhammers all over Ul'dah's aetheryte. It's easy to see who's RMT. They all look the same, wear the same cloths, have the same class, stand in the same area, and have jarbled names.
In terms of the gatherer and craft ones, you can easily identify them via all the crafted gear made by the one person with a similar jarbled name. An in-game GM can easily ban the living chocobos out of these RMT.
Hell, they don't need to even walk around! Just by going AFK in any area, housing districts in particular, you will have them come to you via /tell.
It simply baffles my mind that Square-Enix is having trouble taking them down. They either extremely stupid, extremely lenient, or they are aware and are purposely letting these RMT run free for the sake of those petty subscriptions. -
12-27-2014, 07:11 AMTeslo
I will happily sign up to be an in-game GM to wander the realm banhammering RMT's. I see them all over the place, like you said... Same garbled names, same gear, same class (Usually BLM), in groups of 2 - 4, standing in the same place, queuing at the same exact time only seconds after appearing from the previous instance farming session... Or just from getting tells or listening to shouts. Just straight up ban these people. I can do this job from home.
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12-27-2014, 07:12 AMXysticWe had ban hammer GMs right around the time RMTs became really big in MMOs and it hasn't done a thing to dent them. The most effective method to date is to figure out whose buying their goods and get rid of him/her.Quote:
Originally Posted by SekhmetM
Bots are also not the only source of virtual currency for RMTs. Players also sell virtual currencies and accounts to RMTs. If they can't get virtual currencies thru botting methods, they can just buy up virtual currencies from players and turn it around to sell it for much higher prices because they have the customer base to do it.
So in the grand scheme of things, we need to punch out their customers first or anything we do is pointless. -
12-27-2014, 08:51 AMNovauraYou got it right. Any attempt to report them is misinterpreted as endorsing them and they will ban you from the forum for a period of time. I should know, because it happened to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SekhmetM
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12-27-2014, 08:56 AMElusana_Celah
I received so many gil seller messages today I had to put up /busy and I took it off for an hour and received 13 more messages during that time and had to put /busy back up. I'm still with /busy right now and getting sick of NEEDING to do this. What the hell is going on today? Universal Gil Seller Day or something??
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12-27-2014, 09:44 AMSapphic
Step 1) Track the Gil and ban those who trade with the sellers. Come down HARD on those who buy the Gil, put the fear into them. Buyers should be priority target as no buyers=no sellers.
Step 2) Watch the sellers migrate to something worth paying out for accounts after SE destroys their market on FFXIV.
It is the Gil buyers that keep the sellers buying acccounts to farm and ply their "wares" in game. To be honest, for me, they are worse than the sellers, sellers just take advantage of peoples laziness/stupidity. -
12-27-2014, 09:46 AMNoahArks
I've had like one rmt in the past 7 months PM me, and it was only once. So if you really are annoyed by them, move to one of the legacy servers, guessing it's a lot less there.
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12-27-2014, 09:54 AMgiantslayer
Here is what SE needs to do:
1. Create a chat log option right next to blacklist to "report" and have it pull up the form with all the information loaded up. This could be done for tells, shouts, yells, etc.
2. Trigger automated actions to happen when an account receives enough of these within a certain period of time, such as lengthening the amount of time that has to elapse between tells, blocking communication for a certain amount of time, or straight up freezing the account. Spammers will very quickly hit those thresholds and get restrictions as players report them. -
12-27-2014, 09:58 AMCoffeethrallThe farmers, maybe. The "mules" actually logging in to covey the gil have names which would never raise an eyebrow...that's yet another reason they get away with it for so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by SekhmetM
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12-27-2014, 10:18 AMElusana_Celah
I agree with cracking down on gold buyers in order to remove the market for the sellers to profit from. However it becomes a gray area in regards to how to tell the difference between a legitimate trade and a bad trade. In WoW, gold sellers would just throw in some stupid item to make it look like a legitimate trade and, for further measures, would spread out the payments so it wasn't just one lump sum. OR transfer the money via the market where the gil sellers would buy some stupidly priced item in order to transfer the money to that player.
What SE needs to do is stop banning seller accounts and, instead, find them, verify they really are seller accounts, and flag them for monitoring. Then whenever someone takes gil from them or any of the above happens, SE will know who the buyers are. Even then it COULD result in accidental bannings if the sellers were making legitimate market transactions... it still becomes a gray area that has to be handled carefully. I've suffered a false ban in an MMO once and it was awful =/ -
12-27-2014, 10:23 AMReokudo
There's only one true way to stop RMT, yet my mention of it just gets me banned haha. It's quite simple though... Considering that most RMT come from a certain country... SE could just block all connections from said country and voila. Sure, there will be innocent people who end up screwed over, but oh well.
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12-27-2014, 10:37 AMMeklore
Stop Buying Gil !!!!!!!!!!!
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12-28-2014, 12:45 AMSekhmetM
Chinese players shouldn't be playing on the NA/EU servers anyway. They will get their own servers.
Not even sure if servers are region-locked, but they should be. If you aren't from the americas, you should be rejected from playing american servers. Likewise respectively, J and EU. -
12-28-2014, 12:57 AMDyvid
Simple, follow the money. Found out who is having large amounts of gil mailed or traded to them then follow the trader and tradee. Also wouldn't hurt to have a weekly "We banned X amount of players for buying gil."
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12-28-2014, 01:59 AMRavenLThat's false. I've been on Hyperion for a couple weeks now and I've gotten 15 tells from gil sellers already. I would say I get more tells on a legacy server compared to a normal one.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoahArks
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12-28-2014, 02:01 AMMilesSaintboroguh
Really? Cause on Balmung I barely get gil seller tells.
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12-28-2014, 02:18 AMNaberrieLevel restriction would do nothing. You can get to level 10 extremely quickly if you know what you're doing. If you're hardcore you could even get to 50 in one day (I've seen it done).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasibihc
That one's just on you. Stop accepting friend requests from people you don't know.Quote:
Most annoying ones are the gil sellers who first befriend you and you can't block them unless you delete their friend request first.
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12-28-2014, 02:20 AMGralnaJust shoot them, doubt anyone would really noticeQuote:
Originally Posted by Nasibihc
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12-28-2014, 02:23 AMKio
Honestly, I just want a privacy setting that will block tells and friend requests from anyone not already on my friend's list or that I personally initiated.
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12-28-2014, 02:34 AMRagologyWhen the gil seller sends a friend request along with a tell, you cant insta blacklist them until you go into the menu and deny the friend request.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naberrie
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12-28-2014, 02:36 AMNaberrieAh, my bad. Misread his post. You're right. Morning coffee hasn't kicked in yet. Yeah, that is annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragology
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12-28-2014, 04:03 AMAnemone_Valesti
*Scratch Chalkboard with Nails*
Yaaar! in order to stop all Gil sellers, ye must put down the very first Gil seller...The Original
*Smoke Bubble Pipe*
Surely you jest ?....For real, you're kidding right ?Quote:
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12-28-2014, 07:03 AMDeathscythe343
Create a report gold spam option. Make it so that if they get 10 players reporting them their IP gets blocked for a week. If their account has already been blocked for a week, ban their IP.
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12-28-2014, 07:37 AMTesloSeems simple enough... Though this COULD lead to griefing. I mean, if I REALLY don't like someone, I'll bet I could get 10 or more people to report them for gilspamming. 100 reports is still nothing, since they advertise to everyone that comes up in a /search, but it makes it a LOT harder to grief with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathscythe343
It's not too hard to nail down the gil-mules, either. Yeah, they're any class, any level, with regular names, but I'll bet they carry even amounts (Large sums...)of gil. Even if that's not a good indicator, I'm willing to bet they only log in for minutes at a time per day once they hit whatever level they decide they need to be. All of this can be tracked. It's called profiling, and it's not necessarily a bad thing!
The trick comes in how you punish these folks... Let's say you get identified as a gil-mule. GM's send you an email stating that you've been identified as a potential gil-mule. If you transfer more than 50% of your money to another account within 10 days, both accounts will be banned. If you transfer less than 50% of your money to another account within 10 days, only your account will be banned, but the other account will be flagged as suspicious and the process repeated. If you log in for less than 5 hours in the next 10 day period, your account will be banned. If you log in for more than 5 hours during the 10 day period, a GM will contact you to conduct an inquest to determine your intentions, after which it is GM discretion to ban you or not. Regardless, your account will be monitored closely for an indeterminate period of time.
This gives innocent parties a way out. If they get this message in their mail at some point, they have the choice to log in and proceed with the interview, or they can just ignore it and let the account get banned, since they don't seem to play often anyway. Most people who are innocent won't even get flagged in this system since they'll either log on more often than someone who's a gil-mule, or they'll have stopped playing altogether and have zero hours logged over a few weeks or months. All of this can, and should be, tracked.
How do you avoid getting flagged as a gil-mule? Play the game. Spend your money on things in-game (Housing, crafting, etc...). Participate in raiding. Do a roulette a few times a week. Just play like a normal person. Suspicious behavior is just that. Someone with a maxed Zodiac weapon with 5 play hours a week and 100 million gil probably isn't a gil-mule. They're probably just bored for now... -
12-29-2014, 01:09 AMXauim from phoenix, and i rarelly see any rtm tell, usualy i get 1 or 2 per week, likely all depends on the server whay to act player base, whit such low rtm issue on the server i am, it means what few people actually buys gil, so if you get like 15 per day, it means what a lot of people actually are buying gil, giving them reasons to spam like crazyQuote:
Originally Posted by RavenL