I don't mind teaching people dungeons but I'd rather it be my choice. Lately, I have been forced to teach people content in DF, which not only increases the time spent on the duty but reduces the chance for success.
Yesterday, after failing my 30th attempt at teaching t6 to people in DF, I protested. The next group was 1/3 new. They said that DF is for learning. Which would mean anyone that doesn't go to learn goes to DF to teach. I protested. I refused to leave or run until they agreed to run a learning party in PF. My argument was that there are lots of people that need to learn and they need a LP as well.
I feel cheated and it's unfair that I have to fail duties over and over. Am I wrong to be frustrated?
Learning in duty finder.
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12-16-2014, 05:39 AMYappieLearning in duty finder.
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12-16-2014, 05:44 AMEye_Gore
You feel cheated because you decided to use the DF with a bunch of randoms that are learning. One would think after a few fails that there could be a better way, after 30, something seems a miss on your end. Maybe you should try the PF, then you can set your own terms like I see everyday on the PF.
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12-16-2014, 05:57 AMmonochromicorn
Your problem lies in the server. Jp servers do the opposite of na/eu servers and have a higher df success rate. On jp, pf is practice and df is clear, the exact opposite what we do.
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12-16-2014, 07:34 AMYappie
I use pf learning and farming. If I can't find anyone I use DF. I don't feel cheated. I want to help. You see, there is a paradox. We have people that try to oneshot and the leave after a few fails. We also have people that come to practice. Both types queue together and cannot make any ground. The learners can't get the practice they need and oneshotters never get that clear.
There needs to be an ettiquettwo established. The terns of duty finder need to be established. -
12-16-2014, 09:07 AMroninoftagrm
if they are new, tell em to focus on how mechanics/bosses work, while doing essentials(not every button is needed in this case), macro oh crap moments and tell em to follow the nearest player who does know how it all works, learning parties/df/pugs should also be considered survival tests, whether you want to weed out bads is up to you
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12-16-2014, 11:13 AMMXMoondoggie
You can cry if you want but in the end you can just as easily do what you are demanding they do. Get a group of people who have cleared it and go do it. DF is always going to be a random free for all where you may or may not get an experienced group. What annoys me is when people can't even be bothered to watch a video guide and come in expecting somebody to spend 10 minutes giving them a complete run down. New people in itself is not a bad thing it's when people can't learn or can't be bothered to help themselves that they become dead weight.
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12-16-2014, 12:05 PMCYoung187
You honestly should not expect anything in DF, it is 100% random in who it matches you with. I have seen pretty good success with t6/t7 in DF. Occasionally you get a guy that is incredibly terrible and ruins the run. Just leave the group and move on. Most of the time people can learn and get it done. If you want all experienced players make your own pf. PF is where you make your own conditions for a group.
Though it does blow my mind that some people who have cleared T5 actually think they can walk into SCoB 100% blind and clear it. -
12-16-2014, 12:06 PMroninoftagrm
some folks cant learn from a video because it may go differently no matter how much you want it to, only statics do step by step, like earlier i did darkhold twice(drg) first run was great(minus twin crystals in front of skeles and drakes), second run it was all over the place, from a bit of lag to invincible adds at the boss getting me twice(badly timed Lb), there's this thing called a player, the mindset going in, the mentality changes after a boss wipe, its all different, and unless you remember every weapon and armor all classes have(examined or not) you cant see the performance til after the fact
and maybe those who dont watch think they can do what all firsttimers did: play, learn, survive. just because a video is out doesnt mean you need to study it thoroughly like a final exam, its only there for views and androids(people who are bordering on a robotic existence in game) -
12-17-2014, 03:37 AMSaevel
The only rules of the Duty Finder are party composition and item level. The devs have stated multiple times that the Party Finder is your go-to tool for imposing any additional restrictions on your group.
While I don't always enjoy getting grouped with people that lack experience, gear, or skill, I accept that these scenarios exist when using the Duty Finder. -
12-17-2014, 06:33 AMStaris
the people who play an mmo only to avoid finding groups or joining a FC boggle my mind....
go play a single player game...
or a lobby game....
why are you here? lol -
12-17-2014, 06:46 AMEye_GoreWhere is it written that I have to join a FC, and you can't avoid finding a group if you want to progress in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Staris
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12-17-2014, 09:05 AMGamexI believe FC's and LS are meant to serve as a social channel for you and your friends in game. If you ask me FC's, LS, and/or static based groups actually serve to weaken the overall skill of the player base. I have lost count of the amount of times that players cant function unless its with the seven other people they play with. Extrapolate that out to the rest of your server/data center and you can perhaps catch a glimpse of what I m saying. All of this attributes to the lower success rate in PF groups and the even lower success rate in DF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Staris
On the opposite end of the scale JP worlds are predominately PUG based and on any given day 8 random people can form or enter DF and clear with a VERY high success rate. -
12-17-2014, 11:28 PMSquintinaThat's really presumptuous of you to assume mmos should only be for people who join groups/fcs. There are many other things an mmo brings to the table that a single player game doesn't have, and thus the experience wouldn't be the same even for the people who you think should just go play single player games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Staris
Besides, part of an mmo is also learning/enjoying/suffering how to work with people you don't know. -
12-18-2014, 03:50 AMCYoung187Good thing we have people like you to tell everyone how they should play. How dare those filthy casuals ruin your game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Staris
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12-18-2014, 03:01 PMDigitaLucidity
I'm new to FF, but not new to MMO's. If I haven't cleared a dungeon, or cleared enough that I know exactly what's going on, I'll ask. If people want to bail or boot me, it's whatever. There isn't really much about an MMO that's going to go exactly your way, so just roll with it and have fun. When it goes from being a game to being a job or a way of life, then that's a different issue altogether.
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12-24-2014, 07:33 AMOghmanyte
"Go queue DF if you want to learn."
"Go use PF if you want to learn."
People who need to learn a dungeon just can't catch a break, can they? -
12-24-2014, 08:15 AMDarkobraThat's why you're not getting very far. You need it written out for you instead of thinking for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
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12-24-2014, 08:23 AMDanCadarn
The reason people use the duty finder to learn is quite simple, the game pretty much tells you to.
When you unlock any party based thing in a quest, wether it's a dungeon, trial, normal, hard, etc, the quest prompt tells you to use the duty finder to complete said objective.
I'm not sayin you can't use party finder or make a group with friends, but the game is actually telling you, for your first attempt at something to use the duty finder, so don't be surprised when you get some who says "Hi, it's my first time doing this (insert instance here)" -
12-25-2014, 03:04 AMVanilleFanghttp://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/54...ffc0_50x50.jpg:Quote:
Originally Posted by monochromicorn
That just seems completely backwards (which is is compared to what we are used too) in a general, and in a common sense view. Why would someone new to the game, who is learning and trying to understand it, have to set up and try to find a party (of strangers) to learn and get through content when there is the "duty finder" that not only gets them into dungeons faster, but gets them matched up with people from different servers and from different levels of play so they can actually get through it. Why should the "duty finder" be there for people who know how to do the runs, instead of them (people who have played longer and probably know a few people) setting up a party for a specific, restricted purpose?
Sure, it might make sense for Coils of Bahamut (in a sense), but for everything else? No. The "problem" isn't the server, the "problem" are people who think they are playing a game where they can do what they want and think they have a right to complain when they get someone new to the content.
@OP: If you are failing so hard, so often, the "problem" might be more than just the new people. -
12-25-2014, 05:14 AMRaizeGraymalkinDon't forget to go do extensive video research and read a million guides before even attempting. Remember kids this isn't a game. It's work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oghmanyte