I am Pro-Cash Shop

I don't see what the big deal is with the cash shop hate. The way I see it, these cosmetic items has no impact on end-game what-so-ever. If it helps S-E produce more content for FFXIV with expansions or free content (which is not free because we pay for their salaries with our subs and now with cash shop to keep them working and making more content) then I am all for it.

I think what people need is a alternate way to these items from the cash shop and I would like for S-E to consider adding them to the Veterans Reward at some point into the future. That way it is a reward for long time players. That way this will take care of two things, 1) The item will be in-game for veterans after some time. 2) If there are new players and they want these items in advance then they can use the cash shop to purchase them.

I know this isn't the best solution but it is better than complaining without providing a decent solution. If you support the cash shop, show your support in this thread.

I am as well, have probably spent way too much but I like the option of it being there, I mostly play this game for the cosmetic, so better for me!

How do you now the cash shop supports the development of future content though? Just because they said so? They've said a lot of things that have been proven untrue now so I wouldn't put much faith in trusting what they say...

The more likely reality is that all income from the cash shop will just go into developing more cash shop stuff to sell (read: cutting pre-existing content to sell at a premium).

I have no horse in the cash shop race, but I think everyone is going utterly crazy over the cash shop and everything involved. They need to chill out.
At least a third of the topics on the front page as of this post are cesspools of cash shop negativity. This topic will probably become one as well. Just a matter of time until someone argumentative shows up and sends it in that direction.
Not a whole lot of fun to post in that environment. It'd be one thing if it were an uproar over a serious game issue, but this? Meh.

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Originally Posted by Israacf

so better for me!

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This pretty much sums up a huge group of people. "I like it, so it's good."

This mentality can be found whenever a group of people need to spend time together be it in your football team or in a game. I don't need to explain why this mindset shows a lack of empathy.

SE needs to understand that there are different approaches to the game. Some like "progression" content, some like minions, some like glamour, some like crafting. Of course these overlap but there is always a favourite one. There will always be a group not happy with X item in the €ash $hop. They'll get over it.

It will be fine as long as SE is clear about their idea of it. Golden Saucer will be the next thing people will flame about should it be connected to said shop. Let people know in advance: transparency.

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Originally Posted by finalthief

I think what people need is a alternate way to these items from the cash shop

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So does virtually everyone who is against the cash shop...

Best solution is just to make cash shop items "expensive" Gold Saucer rewards as well; Grind 50,000 Moogle Tickets from minigames, or pay $15 on Mog Station. That works for everyone, I think. I'd still be fairly disappointed, since I'd much rather see the minions come from Delivery Mog quests related to their respective Scion, and Sleipnir actually involve Odin (not saying Sleipnir Barding is impressive, but "I farmed the Odin FATE for this Barding" is more impressive than "I payed $15 online"). That's the kind of potential the cash shop throws out for extra profits, and that's why I dislike it so much. I cannot comprehend why anyone would rather just pay for a minion, instead of having it rewarded for playing the game in some fashion... Laziness? Sure, but there really needs to be an alternative that requires "effort" in order for the cash shop to be the lazy mans way. Honestly, if we have to have a cash shop, I'd much rather have just seen rare vanity fluff like Primal Ponies put in it. Having exclusive content in it is unacceptable to me...

We call that a "pigeon" in French, it's a kind of bird, not a "pro-cashshop".

Doesn't affect end-game, the only thing to do in this game. Well that ends that argument. Forget about all the roleplayers, heavy crafters, people who just enjoy the vanity system. End-game is the only thing that needs to be considered. (This is coming from someone who really only plays for gear and end-game...or at least tries to. I don't give two flying sheep about vanity stuff, but it's still stupid.).

Hmm.. I'm not really pro-cash shop but the entitlement attitude of the people who the opposes cash shop really irks me due to a few reasons:

1. Just because FFXIV:ARR is a Pay-2-Pay game doesn't mean it cannot have a cash shop for vanity items.
2. Paying subscription does not automatically gives you the right to everything. It's just a fee to access the game servers.
3. Entitlement attitude in general is really condescending and disgusting.

I am okay with the cash shop as long as it's not gating real game contents/progression behind a paywall such as:

1. Quests/Storyline
2. Contents such as Dungeons/Events/Zones. (Eternal Bond as an event is not gated but the extra fluff is gated. However, it's just fluff. Get over it).
3. Gears which contains stats.
4. EXP/Crafting/Etc Boosters of any kind which gives an advantage to players.
5. Other advantages such as movespeed.

Solely vanity items are alright to be in cash shop. Personal achievement such as "must have all the mounts/minions" are not counted as core gaming/progression.

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

Solely vanity items are alright to be in cash shop. Personal achievement such as "must have all the mounts/minions" are not counted as core gaming/progression.

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It's not core gaming to you, but to others it's a huge part of their game. There's a reason why when a certain mount drops from X primal everyone loses their mind and yells "MINE!". a) it sells for a whole lotta gil and b) people enjoy collecting.

I don't think that veteran rewards are the way to go about it either. Some people would end up with 2 and be selling them in PF , we would be back to square one.

I think the golden saucer is a much better idea you get to earn what you want with what ever token they introduce when its released. I also don't think the cash shop items should be tradeable in game if you want to gift someone something it should be handled through the Mog station & the Moogle mail.

As for pro cash shop I'm not pro this one as it sits. I don't like the exclusive items.
I have been vocal in the anti cash shop threads and alot of the time all they contain is
It doesn't effect me so I don't care
I want that stuff but have no extra money
Poor scrub get a better job
I want it to get closed
Selfish you want everything free, to bad TOS
your stupid!!!!
and a whole bunch more of the same exact back and forth attacks. AKA a bunch of BS.
Granted there are a few people who want to actually have conversation about it and how to come to an agreement, but that just gets lost in the crud.

Wasn't there a couple "I like cash shop" threads already, I forget. Personally doesn't matter much to me so long as it never goes P2W. I won't spend money in there because I have more important things to spend that money on in my life. I can't honestly get myself to buy minions or mounts. Main reason is because 30 seconds after I get a new minion/mount its old and idc that I have it. So why would I pay for it, smh.

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

1. Quests/Storyline
2. Contents such as Dungeons/Events/Zones.

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Those two points right there? That is why I'm against the cash shop as it currently stands.

No, they haven't gated such content behind the cash shop. Worse, we've lost potential for such content because they opted to put items exclusively in the cash shop, instead of as rewards in game.

Perhaps they'll use the profits from the cash shop to tailor such quests and let everyone enjoy the content eventually, and that'd be great. Issue then is one of transparency. If 2.5 comes around with an Odin EX Trial, made with funds from the cash shop, with a low chance for Sleipnir to drop, just like the rest of the Primals, we'd go from seeing people complaining about the cash shop, to people who payed $15 for a horse complaining about being mislead.

It isn't even an issue of "Well we wouldn't have the minions at all then". Plenty of minions were in the game at launch (as was Sleipnir) and they slowly got phased in with new content (Blue Bird, Wind-up Goblin, Tender Lamb, to name a few). When they make a minion they don't have to instantly find a way to put it in game, if there is no quest/achievement/whatever they can reward it to instantly, they can just wait until there is. If they want to add something, they should ask themselves "What should this be a reward for?", not "How much can we charge for this on Mog Station?". I'd be perfectly OK however, if they said "This will be a reward as a very rare drop from X, and we'll also let people buy it off Mog Station if they want to skip the grind". Nobody would use the cash shop then? Sure they would. People who are annoyed tend to make poor decisions. People who are farming Odin EX for Sleipnir and see it go to a DRG who ate dirt all fight one too many times get very annoyed.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

This pretty much sums up a huge group of people. "I like it, so it's good."

This mentality can be found whenever a group of people need to spend time together be it in your football team or in a game. I don't need to explain why this mindset shows a lack of empathy.

SE needs to understand that there are different approaches to the game. Some like "progression" content, some like minions, some like glamour, some like crafting. Of course these overlap but there is always a favourite one. There will always be a group not happy with X item in the €ash $hop. They'll get over it.

It will be fine as long as SE is clear about their idea of it. Golden Saucer will be the next thing people will flame about should it be connected to said shop. Let people know in advance: transparency.

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Yep not everyone plays the game the same and before FFXIV was launched they said there were going to be many ways to play this game other than just combat. (not everyone does end game) Some people collect minions so putting them in the cash shop hurts the way they play the game, Some people collect mounts.. Just because the stuff put in the cash shop doesn't affect the way you get through coil doesn't mean it does not affect the way others play the game? Some people like to craft and do vanity stuff. Putting that stuff in the store with other loot hurts the way they play the game. Why do people do coil? for the loot. Same thing.
All I am saying is people play the game for different reasons not just combat.. Some are just craters and if that stuff ends up in the cash shop it is pay to play or win for them.
Same people who think CS is good would you pay a higher sub fee then? It would help the game out right? It is very short sited to think just because the cash shop does not effect the way you play the game it doesn't effect others

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Originally Posted by finalthief

I don't see what the big deal is with the cash shop hate. The way I see it, these cosmetic items has no impact on end-game what-so-ever. If it helps S-E produce more content for FFXIV with expansions or free content (which is not free because we pay for their salaries with our subs and now with cash shop to keep them working and making more content) then I am all for it.

I think what people need is a alternate way to these items from the cash shop and I would like for S-E to consider adding them to the Veterans Reward at some point into the future. That way it is a reward for long time players. That way this will take care of two things, 1) The item will be in-game for veterans after some time. 2) If there are new players and they want these items in advance then they can use the cash shop to purchase them.

I know this isn't the best solution but it is better than complaining without providing a decent solution. If you support the cash shop, show your support in this thread.

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Read a little of this thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...45-Feedback%29) explaining it all over to blind people is tiring, so it was better to focus everything in one thread, or try it.... Hope it helps you open your eyes.

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Originally Posted by Adrian74

explaining it all over to blind people is tiring, so it was better to focus everything in one thread, or try it.... Hope it helps you open your eyes.

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My eyes are open just fine thanks. Insulting people that disagree with you isn't going to convince anyone of your POV.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

My eyes are open just fine thanks. Insulting people that disagree with you isn't going to convince anyone of your POV.

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My apologies if it sounded like it was my intention to do so.

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Originally Posted by Adrian74

My apologies if it sounded like it was my intention to do so.

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Calm blue oceans and all that. This thing (the cash shop debate) gets really heated and people on both sides get bent a bit. I like the cash shop but I can understand why people don't. Also, SE didn't do themselves any favors with the bracelet thing. They tend to put things out half finished rather than just telling us that they aren't quite ready.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

They tend to put things out half finished rather than just telling us that they aren't quite ready.

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Which is hilarious, considering the legacy this game has. Really sad to see them forget the lessons they learned from 1.0 after just a year...

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

Calm blue oceans and all that. This thing (the cash shop debate) gets really heated and people on both sides get bent a bit. I like the cash shop but I can understand why people don't. Also, SE didn't do themselves any favors with the bracelet thing. They tend to put things out half finished rather than just telling us that they aren't quite ready.

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Part of it is they dont tell people things are going to cost money like the wedding mount.. They parade the wedding mount around without telling people guess what it will cost you. Get peoples hopes up and drop a bomb.. For us it put a damper on the wedding and takes some of the fun out of it..

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Which is hilarious, considering the legacy this game has. Really sad to see them forget the lessons they learned from 1.0 after just a year...

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I know right? They seem to still be in constant fire-fighting mode rather than a normal development life-cycle. I'm hoping that it changes for 3.0.

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Originally Posted by Nashred

Part of it is they dont tell people things are going to cost money like the wedding mount.. They parade the wedding mount around without telling people guess what it will cost you. Get peoples hopes up and drop a bomb.. For us it put a damper on the wedding and takes some of the fun out of it..

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Managing customer's expectations is important and they don't do a good job of it. They opt for radio silence instead. If we knew what was coming in advance, people would still grumble, but the shock factor would be gone.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

How do you now the cash shop supports the development of future content though? Just because they said so? They've said a lot of things that have been proven untrue now so I wouldn't put much faith in trusting what they say...

The more likely reality is that all income from the cash shop will just go into developing more cash shop stuff to sell (read: cutting pre-existing content to sell at a premium).

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How do you know that? Just because the forums said so? The forums have cried about a lot of things that have proven untrue.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Which is hilarious, considering the legacy this game has. Really sad to see them forget the lessons they learned from 1.0 after just a year...

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see my sig

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

see my sig

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1. Never forget the fans
-> They have a lot of disposable income to milk
2. Fun comes first
-> Buying a minion is more fun than doing a quirky quest
3. Never back down
-> Cash shop is here to stay, always aim to amaze players with high prices
4. Don't forget your roots
-> All the Bravest was a thing

I'm surprised it only took til about the end of page 1 for it to start. Expected at least two more pages.

They should add a cash shop in the cash shop so that you can all spend more money paying for the items three times (including your sub).

You know what? SE should add a cash shop to the forum too! You have to buy a pass to go over the limit 1000 char without editing. You need to buy a license to have a signature and access more emoticons, you need to buy a certification for forum mods to report your comments to the devs, etc.

I'm sure a lot of mentally challenged players would fall for it since they already fell for the game cash shop. And, since SE's interest is solely milking its player base, no problem right? :D

Honestly the cash shop doesn't bother me. I'd much rather the cash shop they have here, than they have in so many other MMOs (F2P models) where gacha system and actual content being provided at cost with no ability to get it in game. A true sense of "Pay to Win" where only those who fork over a ton can compete in the end. WoW has something similar with their mounts and pets, and I don't see any harm there, and they are a subscription based game as well.

There is plenty of fluff stuff in-game that isn't gated by real money. If you absolutely must have every mount or every pet, or the dye they released in the shop, and so on, what harm is 20 dollars here, or a few dollars there. In the end it'll never cost the same as how much it can cost in a free to play game.

(Some of these games have events for "limited time only" content and vanity stuff that provide stat benefits to their wearers and it'll cost players upwards to 300+ dollars for those less fortunate to have the luck. I'd rather any day of the week pay the monthly subscription +20 dollars (every three or four weeks when they add a batch of content) for a guaranteed vanity item than a "chance" at it. )

Been pretty busy lately. Alright to support my own thread, I will say this, I do support some of the arguments others have been complaining such as the sell of dye and the trading/selling of the wedding ring/bracelet for in-game gil but everything else can stay in the cash shops since they have no impact in the game. I would suggest that maybe the dye be taken off the shops and make the wedding ring/bracelet a unique item that is non-trade-able/sell-able.

Other than that, I fully support the Cash Shop as long as they stop making these small mistakes of not making item bind-only upon purchase. The impact this can have on the economy in the game can be severe and can potently cause inflation in the market place by having too much gil.

/agreed. I think they've implemented it well.

I support the cash shop. I purchased 5 metallic red dyes, and it granted me a turn 9 win!

/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

I support the cash shop. I purchased 5 metallic red dyes, and it granted me a turn 9 win!

/sarcasm

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hey 5 mil for a T9 carry sounds like a bargain!

/s