Is FFXIVAPP legal?

I'm a little conflicted from this since I have recently found out about this app and have done some research to find out if it's legal or not. Went through multiple threads and I seem to come by very conflicted opinions on it. People saying you can get banned for it and others saying that it is confirmed that it is allowed.

What do you guys think?

Third party tools are all against the ToS.

However, the GMs stance is effectively 'it's generally harmless, just don't broadcast you're using it and we won't chase you down'.

Personally i hate parsers, but i know they're useful for many others.

If you don't say you are using it or kick people for low dps using the program, you're fine

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

However, the GMs stance is effectively 'it's generally harmless, just don't broadcast you're using it and we won't chase you down'.

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Basically this. Don't tell and don't harass people with it.

Use ACT, heaps better than FFXIVAPP.

And considering Lucrezia, DnT, Collision etc all use them in their world first video's which I am sure SE have watched, nothings gonna happen as long as you don't use it to abuse people.

Fight club rules apply.

ACT or bust don't settle for less.

Is this some kind of phone app?

FFXIVAPP is pretty bad. Go for ACT.

As far as against ToS: SE can't really do anything about it. I hope 3.0 will have SE's parser.

Don't talk about it and you are okay.

Big thing people are leaving out here. FFXIVAPP and ACT are more than just parsers. Using it as just a parser is fine, just don't grief another player over his/her DPS, although there are ways to determine if a player is doing well or not without one.

Using these applications with their trigger commands is illegal. Can see it in DnT's T13 kill, as well as many other videos from back in the first coil when they are used to call out Twisters. At this point, the application is doing some of the work for you.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

Using these applications with their trigger commands is illegal.

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I'm pretty sure SE don't make laws... As much as they'd like to.

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Originally Posted by Shadray

I'm pretty sure SE don't make laws... As much as they'd like to.

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Ok, since you want to see yourself as being so smart, quick google for the definition:

Illegal:
"contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law."

Firstly, it just specifies law.

Law:
"the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties."

Country or community. This would fall under community so I am correct in using this word.

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

Basically this. Don't tell and don't harass people with it.

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Oh my god, I had a couple of parties a while back where there were asshats using Parsers and berating DPS for having lower-than-expected DPS. Such disgusting and toxic behavior.

I play tank, so it doesn't affect me directly, but bringing parsers into PUG dungeons and using data from that to attack other players is absolute dickishness.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Oh my god, I had a couple of parties a while back where there were asshats using Parsers and berating DPS for having lower-than-expected DPS.

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And this is why parsers will never really be "accepted" because it allows you to call out bads. Bads are gonna bad, it's when you throw concrete evidence at them that they're bad you become the bad guy. A no win situation. As most have already said, fight club rules apply.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

And this is why parsers will never really be "accepted" because it allows you to call out bads. Bads are gonna bad, it's when you throw concrete evidence at them that they're bad you become the bad guy. A no win situation. As most have already said, fight club rules apply.

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Precisely. You can always say "sorry, we don't like your haircut. We have to replace you."

I don't think THAT is against the ToS.

Greetings OP!

This reddit forum post is, I think, the most helpful clarification I've found with regards to what is and isn't a violation of the rules.

But the short version is what many others have alluded to. Despite the righteous attitude of many on these forums... If you don't ask and don't tell, you will generally be OK (Parsing, aural warnings, etc) as long as programs do not cross the boundary into actual cheats (like teleport/position hacking).

However, if you use parse results to harass other players or otherwise "don't play nice," Square Enix may come at you for things you don't expect-- such as things listed in the linked post.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

Personally i hate parsers

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Show me where the parser touched you

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VrgF6E_zjT...rrect-Doll.jpg

It's incredibly obvious they don't mind parsing. If they minded they would stop the exportable battle damage combat log that has no other use except parsing (third party or manually). They just don't admit it because it would offend bads. They clearly don't support the harassment it can be used for, but it's a failure of logic to connect the two. Otherwise chat would be banned too becausr you could type insults. Imagine if pre-made Auto translate commands were the only allowed talking..... lol

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Precisely. You can always say "sorry, we don't like your haircut. We have to replace you."

I don't think THAT is against the ToS.

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Heh...

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Originally Posted by Hikoko

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To me this sounds like everything someone has to say is "(s)he had a different playstyle" when kicking for whatever reason.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ically-allowed

You're allowed to kick somebody for whatever reason you want EXCEPT subpar DPS (which aside cheating, afking, being offline, would be the reason most of the time if you're running into a wall with DPS race encounters)

Fight Club rule applies. :cool:

You can kick people without cause. Why even try to say "You can do it for X but not Y". Just start the vote, nothing will come of it except a replacement.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

Third party tools are all against the ToS.

However, the GMs stance is effectively 'it's generally harmless, just don't broadcast you're using it and we won't chase you down'.

Personally i hate parsers, but i know they're useful for many others.

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That means stuff like bots or hacks. I've been playing MMOs since MUDs and I've never heard of anyone getting banned for a parser in any game.

I can't parse because I play on PS4, but asking people for my dmg numbers has made me a better player on more than one occasion on multiple different classes.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

And this is why parsers will never really be "accepted" because it allows you to call out bads. Bads are gonna bad, it's when you throw concrete evidence at them that they're bad you become the bad guy.

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It has little to do with calling out bads, and everything to do with how they go about calling them out. Nobody complains when this is done in a civil manner. If you are being a tool about it (throwing it in their face, harassing, berating, etc), then yes, you are indeed a bad guy.

EDIT: I was trying to reinforce the reason for those people being the "bad guys," not accuse Nadrojj. Just wanna make that clear.

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Originally Posted by Vorpal_Spork

That means stuff like bots or hacks. I've been playing MMOs since MUDs and I've never heard of anyone getting banned for a parser in any game.

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no dear.

A third party tool is ANY software that interacts with the first party program that isn't officially sanctioned and created by the first party. Parsers read information that is logged by the first party (the game) but allow you to then use that logged information in a way that is not usable by those without the parser.

It's third party, no matter how you swing it. Don't be naive about these things, if you're using a parser, don't talk about it. fight club.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

no dear.

A third party tool is ANY software that interacts with the first party program that isn't officially sanctioned and created by the first party. Parsers read information that is logged by the first party (the game) but allow you to then use that logged information in a way that is not usable by those without the parser.

It's third party, no matter how you swing it. Don't be naive about these things, if you're using a parser, don't talk about it. fight club.

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Export Combat log into Excel and bam you can now effectively parse an instance without a parser.

FFXIV is a place where its acceptable to verbally abuse tanks and healers for being bad and get away with it, but not the dps that is pulling 150 on full 110 gear.