Remove both marriage plans.

Put all the features in both plans, mount and dress options on the same plan and call it Eternal Bonding. No paywalls, no player segregation, no cheap moneygrab. Give us the content we are paying for already.

That's how it should have been, and what most people probably expected. This is the first P2P game that makes me feel like I am a freeloader in a F2P.

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That's how it should have been, and what most people probably expected. This is the first P2P game that makes me feel like I am a freeloader in a F2P.

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You mean patch 2.45 is a simulated F2P mod? :p

Actually, me and my wife will not be getting married now, we had a lot of plans cause of course, we expected this to be all ingame as it should be. We expected maybe some crafting involed and thats ok. But putting half the service behind a paywall or just getting a cheap piece of "remainings" which is what it feels like, is just not ok.

SE, you have just ruined Eternal Bonding for all who were interested on it in a way or the other.

I agree with op but this is going to happen every time they add anything to the cash shop.

I was really looking forward to gold saucer and the card game they have announced but i can see them putting packs for the cards in the cash shop
so not looking forward to it anymore ; ;

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SE, you have just ruined Eternal Bonding for all who were interested on it in a way or the other.

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Unfortunately, like Hunt, personal housing, chocobo farming... Next will be Gold Saucer for sure :/

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Actually, me and my wife will not be getting married now, we had a lot of plans cause of course, we expected this to be all ingame as it should be. We expected maybe some crafting involed and thats ok. But putting half the service behind a paywall or just getting a cheap piece of "remainings" which is what it feels like, is just not ok.

SE, you have just ruined Eternal Bonding for all who were interested on it in a way or the other.

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Has it even been confirmed to be a paid service? I can't find anything yet people is posting as if it was confirmed. O.o

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I am really looking forward to gold saucer and the card game they have announced but i can see them putting packs for the cards in the cash shop
so not looking forward to it anymore ; ;

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Start preparing for this already. They announced an all round FF App for iOS a while back in japan. One of the features on said app is a triple triad minigame which will be integrated with its FFXIV version but can also be played on its own. This is most likely going to mean micro-transactions since SE is actually infamous for how ridiculous they become with mobile transactions(Check: theatrhythm and all the bravest for mobile to see what I mean.)

Not trying to act like it's not a big deal, but I'm just glad it's not locked behind a bunch of allied seals or gil. My fiance bought Odin's mount the day it came out, so we'll be getting the gold plan without a doubt.

Well, time to expect booster packs for triple triad to cost 1.99 lol.

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Has it even been confirmed to be a paid service? I can't find anything yet people is posting as if it was confirmed. O.o

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They announced in the live letter today there will be two options for eternal bond, a free version which includes the basics like the rings the quest and the ceremony, as well as a paid version which will include additional options for clothing as well as the mount (and a minion ?).

I assumed they meant gil by means of payment. How would the logistics work out if two people wanted to get married? Would one person have to fit the whole bill or does each person have to pay half or only the person who paid for the gold plan gets the stuff? I hope they'll keep it strictly to gil since it involves two people and not a solo player.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

They announced in the live letter today there will be two options for eternal bond, a free version which includes the basics like the rings the quest and the ceremony, as well as a paid version which will include additional options for clothing as well as the mount (and a minion ?).

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Ah thank you, I tend to not stay awake too late for live letters I can't understand so I wait for the QA posts, yet it seems they skip many things.

Final Doubledipping XIV: A Sinking Reborn.

It's going that way. And I'm sad.

To clarify, they said there would be THREE options (only two were even mentioned), they listed optional details, but did not confirm from what I was able to see that any of them were explicitly from the Cash Shop. For now it's better to go at this with a speculative eye rather than jumping to conclusions that everything is locked behind a pay wall until it's explicitly confirmed that they're behind such. There is still the third option that wasn't named or, to our knowledge, talked about in any way. And yes, they did mean three plans based on what the slide said, as well as the commentary accompanying it. Assuming just causes more issues that don't need to exist.

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To clarify, they said there would be THREE options (only two were even mentioned), they listed optional details, but did not confirm from what I was able to see that any of them were explicitly from the Cash Shop. For now it's better to go at this with a speculative eye rather than jumping to conclusions that everything is locked behind a pay wall until it's explicitly confirmed that they're behind such. There is still the third option that wasn't named or, to our knowledge, talked about in any way. And yes, they did mean three plans based on what the slide said, as well as the commentary accompanying it. Assuming just causes more issues that don't need to exist.

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Three options are Free, Gold (pay) and Platinum (pay more).

Both paid ones come with extra items like a special Draught Chocobo and some other costumes, though I don't think they specified which one comes with what or if both do, free one comes with nothing else except the wedding itself.

That's because when they hide, avoid, and/or tell us that we can see in the patch notes something that they barely give any details about, it's usually because it's not good at all. Past experiences tell us so.

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Final Doubledipping XIV: A Sinking Reborn.

It's going that way. And I'm sad.

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For those people that keep repeating this: WoW still has 10 million subscribers and they have been double-dipping for years.

Not defending it, just saying people are more than willing to pay extra for fluff items despite the fact they are paying a monthly fee. By no means is it an indication that the game is going downhill or that it will go F2P. Simply an indication that companies can and will take advantage of the fact that people will blindly throw money at something just because it's there.

Access to the Gold Saucer will require a Gold Pass, which can be bought and renewed for $5 a month. Platinum Passes may be purchased for $6.50, which gives you one free Triple Triad booster pack per month as well. Individual Triple Triad booster packs will be $3, containing five cards each.

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For those people that keep repeating this: WoW still has 10 million subscribers and they have been double-dipping for years.

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For those people that keep repeating this: WoW is the only current themepark MMO that's both sub only and also has a cash shop. Every other themepark/WoW clone, such as ARR, that implemented a cash shop while they also had a sub didn't last long as P2P afterwards, and ARR more than likely won't either.

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For those people that keep repeating this: WoW is the only current themepark MMO that's both sub only and also has a cash shop. Every other themepark/WoW clone, such as ARR, that implemented a cash shop while they also had a sub didn't last long as P2P afterwards, and ARR more than likely won't either.

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i see we went from "oh shit marriage will cost money" to "its going f2p" in 2 pages...im actually impressed

gime a sec to grab a chair and some popcorn pls

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Three options are Free, Gold (pay) and Platinum (pay more).

Both paid ones come with extra items like a special Draught Chocobo and some other costumes, though I don't think they specified which one comes with what or if both do, free one comes with nothing else except the wedding itself.

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Thanks for that, I heard them talk about Platinum but missed the context.

I'm still going at this from the eye of a skeptic until we get pricing/finalization. From what I'm seeing English speakers aren't the only ones upset about there being pay options and it's common knowledge that they tend to listen more to their JP fanbase than everyone else.

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For those people that keep repeating this: WoW still has 10 million subscribers and they have been double-dipping for years.

Not defending it, just saying people are more than willing to pay extra for fluff items despite the fact they are paying a monthly fee. By no means is it an indication that the game is going downhill or that it will go F2P. Simply and indication that companies can and will take advantage of the fact that people will blindly throw money at anything.

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It's going downhill as a game. I know that there's people willing to throw thousand of euros to a cash shop, but such a game (and company) wouldn't be remembered as a good one by most players, specially when doing things like these.

All the goodwill and respect that SE won by redoing the game, they're losing it with their double-dipping. Congrats if it works for them, but they can be damn sure that if they flop again in the future people won't be as willing to give them a third chance and support them.

Wtf....this is ridiculous...

This is a p2p game!!!!

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For those people that keep repeating this: WoW still has 10 million subscribers and they have been double-dipping for years.

Not defending it, just saying people are more than willing to pay extra for fluff items despite the fact they are paying a monthly fee. By no means is it an indication that the game is going downhill or that it will go F2P. Simply an indication that companies can and will take advantage of the fact that people will blindly throw money at something just because it's there.

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Yes, but I'm sure a lot of people are on FFXIV because it was (at first) the only MMO without cancer, I mean Cash shop. So if our precious game is the same as others and our devs keep messing with what they put in it (Hunt, Personal housing, Chocobo stable, Gardening, ect), their customers will just go on an other game.

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Wtf....this is ridiculous...

This is a p2p game!!!!

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It's becoming a P2P2P, pay to play to pay, or pay to pay to play, it's certainly not just pay to play anymore.

Seeing as how the marriage ceremony will require a gm present, as well as the other stuff, I can see why they have it set this way. I think people are over reacting, as usual, but whatever. "the game is dying/going f2p" topics have been going on since launch.. give it a rest.

There had better be counseling involved in the pay package...

I hate the gold and platinum plan. I'll still pay for it if it's something like $10, but watch it be between $40-$100. Because prepaid visa's can't be used anymore(not Canadian ones anyway, because no ultimate pay) every time I need to use their shop for anything but the sub it's a pain in the ass. I have to use a family members visa fml... If they had paypal I actually wouldn't mind this feature as much because I could hook that up instead...

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Seeing as how the marriage ceremony will require a gm present.

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No GM. It's all automated.

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Seeing as how the marriage ceremony will require a gm present, as well as the other stuff, I can see why they have it set this way. I think people are over reacting, as usual, but whatever. "the game is dying/going f2p" topics have been going on since launch.. give it a rest.

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It's automated. No GM required.

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Seeing as how the marriage ceremony will require a gm present, as well as the other stuff, I can see why they have it set this way. I think people are over reacting, as usual, but whatever. "the game is dying/going f2p" topics have been going on since launch.. give it a rest.

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Last I heard, GMs won't be involved with Eternal Bonding at all. What "other stuff" are you talking about?

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It's automated. No GM required.

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I stand corrected on that then, assumed it was cuz of how they laid it out. Either way, the outrage is still overblown.

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I stand corrected on that then, assumed it was cuz of how they laid it out. Either way, the outrage is still overblown.

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To make it short, you'll go to the Mog Station, select a plan, pay it if needed, and then you'll get a special quest in-game (where you'll get the rings and all that, too).

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I stand corrected on that then, assumed it was cuz of how they laid it out. Either way, the outrage is still overblown.

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is not overblown.... it's natural to react like this, we get more and more micro transaction into a P2P game! some company have try it (like for Dead Space 3) and they was bashed by the community too.

you can't ask people to pay a sub and after ask them to pay for more content inside the game... what it's next? DLC? they need to stop before ruin what they have done so far. if we don't stand firm on this one, what will come next.

it's where a forum must be used, it's time for the community to make them voice be heard and ask for a stop in this abuse!

SO let me get this forum straight...

The ceremony, arguably the reason why anyone would care to get married in a "virtual" game in the first place, is free... (unlike real life; which is fine since this is a game)

The extras, which make the ceremony more flashy, glitzy, etc., cost a one time fee for a minion, mount and clothes and hair (which people always jokingly say "I would pay money for that" whenever its shown in screenshots)(in addition to the fact that if anyone has a two person mount they probably paid money for it in the form of another copy of the game and the sub) and that is the tipping point for 'net rage.

I just came off of a crazy black friday (crazy for me because i bought a wii u and i usually dont buy much) spree where I was thinking of buying a ton of Nintendo Amibos for Smash because of a buy-one-get-one 40% off deal. One thing stood out to me. If you (general "everyone" you) really want something, you can find the funds for it.

This is hardly SE being greedy. The name of the game for any successful business in today's world is "Diversification". SE is trying to create an eco system where can produce more income. If you were running a wedding chapel I have no doubt in my mind that you would different tiers of packages offered.

Now i hear you say, "But...subscription. I payz it" but the way I see it is similar to Xbox Live, PS Plus, Amazon Prime, Spotify, and dozens other sub services: Your sub gets you in, and a basic service, anything extra is presented to you as an Option and you have the freedom to walk away (or in this case, take the free wedding, since being married is all you care about in the end).

Because at the end of it all, or the day after your in-game ceremony, most of the people looking forward to marriage just want to be married. Fin.

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if we don't stand firm on this one, what will come next.

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Frankly the only data SE, or any company cares about is their profits. If the data shows that people don't care about this issue they will continue to do it. The data I'm talking about is subscriptions and amount of money they are taking in from microtransactions. To them the microtransactions are just icing on the cake, the real money comes from subscriptions. So honestly, you can complain about it all you want, but unless you're willing to cancel your subscription over this, your complaints are meaningless.

So if you really want to "Stand up" to SE, why haven't you canceled subscription ?

The reason they are doing this and will continue to do it, is because despite what people say in the forums, the subscriptions data shows that in reality people don't care. Unless they see a drop in subscriptions every time some new cash shop thing is announced, they will continue to add more in the cash shop.

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SO let me get this forum straight...

The ceremony, arguably the reason why anyone would care to get married in a "virtual" game in the first place, is free... (unlike real life; which is fine since this is a game)

The extras, which make the ceremony more flashy, glitzy, etc., cost a one time fee for a minion, mount and clothes and hair (which people always jokingly say "I would pay money for that" whenever its shown in screenshots)(in addition to the fact that if anyone has a two person mount they probably paid money for it in the form of another copy of the game and the sub) and that is the tipping point for 'net rage.

Edit inc.

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welcome to an MMO game forum..where the complains never stop

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is not overblown.... it's natural to react like this, we get more and more micro transaction into a P2P game! some company have try it (like for Dead Space 3) and they was bashed by the community too.

you can't ask people to pay a sub and after ask them to pay for more content inside the game... what it's next? DLC? they need to stop before ruin what they have done so far. if we don't stand firm on this one, what will come next.

it's where a forum must be used, it's time for the community to make them voice be heard and ask for a stop in this abuse!

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Technically, mmos have had dlc since their beginning in the form of expansions.

I'm not saying I want them to add gated content, but they really havent locked people out. With the draught choco being behind another account subbing, are people really surprised the marriage one requires a extra fee? We still have no idea what this entails, but i dont think it will be outrageous. So far, none of the other paid services are priced too high. I don't see them starting now.

What they detailed as the eternal Bond system is still available to all free of charge.

For people doubting the cash shop side of it - the fact that you have to register for the whole thing via the Mog Station (which was said in the live letter) is pretty much solid proof for it.

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"the game is dying/going f2p" topics have been going on since launch.. give it a rest.

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Yeah, except what used to be a fear has realised since then, no? Cash shop did come in. And the fears regarding that, no matter the "glamour/fluff content only" thing, are also becoming more and more real - past seasonal items that used to be freely available for a few gil in-game were the first, now it's "extras" for a long-teased, much anticipated feature (some which extras are just rehashes at that)... Don't tell me the trend is not fueling the flames.

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So if you really want to "Stand up" to SE, why haven't you canceled subscription ?

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seriously? cancal a subs don't solve the trouble, it's only ignoring the trouble...
or it means i was stupid to continue to pay for the V1 for that some people get ARR? because after all is not different. we was complaining about poor decision and poor design into a game... if we had do what you say, we will had never seen ARR. you see the point?

people are there' defending what it's undefendable as action into a mmorpg industry. more and more they take player for a simple credit card number. do we must still allows this?


the mmorpg Forum is there for voice your complain about what you feel is a poor design, if you are happy with them choice, it's your right, however, it's the right of the other to feel that what they do are horrible!

personally i think SE is just shooting themselves in the foot. it's a p2p game already, a cash shop should never have even been a thought. even making us buy additional retainers instead of letting us mail items to a mule is ridiculous. does it change the fact that ppl will pay for what should be free content? nope, this will keep happening as long as SE doesn't see a loss in profits due to ppl quitting because of the microtransactions. as for myself i will say that if they do this with triple triad and make cards that are only obtainable through the cash shop, then i will quit because that is the one feature i've been wishing for forever. if they put that behind a cash wall i'm done.