Inflation Control - Novus weapons needing Materia

I really wish I could hop in here with a cool idea for how to fix the inflation problems on the market, but figuring out an in-game economy is not really my forte.

That said, I don't think the merit of a person's Novus weapon should be based on the amount of Gil they own.
I understand that SBing exists, but with the RNG element, a person is just as likely to have to spend the same amount of gil on gear before obtaining the right materia as they would just buying it straight off of the marketplace.

Which then, if someone is less fortunate in gil or doesn't have the RNG god gene, they are left with 2 options;
- Hold off until the point they have enough gil to buy the most advantageous materia for the weapon,
OR
- Settle for the shittier option and buy/use materia that is more affordable, leaving them with an irreversible, inferior product.

I just don't like the idea that something someone is working so hard to obtain will only ever be as good as the size of their wallet.

It is not irreversible.

You can always go 33 crit 23 det and 19 acc is cheaper that way the extra stat is not worth the money

I've been stuck on my only novus for my main class for months. My problem isn't with the alexandrite or any other aspect of the relic quest, it's just that I'm not a three or four star crafter and im not going to buy Gil to be able to afford the best materia for my novus. There's two stats that I need to finish maxing my weapon and savage aim and might iv's are going for 800k and 650k respectively on my server. I've been spirit bonding for months now and I can count on one hand the savage aim and might iv's I've gotten. IMO SE is basically saying have a high level crafter to be able to make the money for the best novus you can get for most characters, have months to play the rng and spirit bond your own materia, the Gil sellers, or just settle for a bad weapon. I'm starting to see all signs point to everyone having to be a four star crafter to be able to afford a good novus unless you are ok with being at the mercy of rng forever, or the Gil bots:/

A solution (if one is needed) is to let Savage Aim IV give 4 points of crit. Same with all stats. Tier IV materia gives 4 "points" on the infusion scroll. Honestly, that's what I see SE doing eventually. They'll allow players to either earn 75 alexandrites (expend the time farming it all) and then use all Tier 1 materia or spend only 18 alexandrite, but be forced to use all tier IV materia for the stats.

just by buying wedding stuff tens of millions of gil vanish from every server every day

I dont know how many gil are generated per day but I'ld say just because of the wedding npc the servers are going to lose more money than they generate each day, which works pretty well against an inflation

If you need money or materia: start desynthing the stuff yourself. If I invest 2m gil in wedding gear (which takes about 30 min) I usually make 5m by selling the demi III (~42k), hard leather (30k) and HQ leather (50k)

you can also use the leathers to craft ilvl 70 dow gear and bind it in 4-5 t4 runs, the grade IV materia rate from ilvl 70 stuff is ~40% and you still have the chances to get allagan leather + silks which also sell for a lot

If it makes you guys fell better paid over 40 million to complte my Nexus weapon and months of farming to do it. Unfortunality its just someing you have to work at.

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

I've been stuck on my only novus for my main class for months. My problem isn't with the alexandrite or any other aspect of the relic quest, it's just that I'm not a three or four star crafter and im not going to buy Gil to be able to afford the best materia for my novus. There's two stats that I need to finish maxing my weapon and savage aim and might iv's are going for 800k and 650k respectively on my server. I've been spirit bonding for months now and I can count on one hand the savage aim and might iv's I've gotten. IMO SE is basically saying have a high level crafter to be able to make the money for the best novus you can get for most characters, have months to play the rng and spirit bond your own materia, the Gil sellers, or just settle for a bad weapon. I'm starting to see all signs point to everyone having to be a four star crafter to be able to afford a good novus unless you are ok with being at the mercy of rng forever, or the Gil bots:/

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In terms of time spent SBing it is probably better to SB crafter/gatherer gear and sell the materia you get then use the gil to buy the ones you want. You don't have to worry about getting materia that will sell for less than the cost of the gear that way.

Off topic a bit, but this is yet another large issue I have with the relic/Zodiac quests. The challenge has been removed in favor of a gil sink. And this is on top of several layers of previous time grinds. I want a relic just like everyone else, but I can't justify the means to that end. That's just me though.

Still, if getting the will-be best weapon in the game requires I pay upwards of what buying a large housing plot would cost, I'd rather just get the large housing plot. I like to raid anyways, and would prefer the alternatives in place, however transient they may be.

^ cant justify starting the Zodiak quest either especially at this time. I start now by the time im finished, expansion will be out soon enough that it makes it meh. Dont even need the novus.

Novus is hardly crashing the market. More like some of the new 110 crafted gear being able to hold 5 tier 4 savage aims is the problem. Just think on that....imagine overmelding a 5th savage aim 4..... We NEED grade 5 material now, in all honesty.

Things that are more in demand cost more. I don't know what you think Square can do about basic economics.

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Originally Posted by Vorpal_Spork

Things that are more in demand cost more. I don't know what you think Square can do about basic economics.

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Make other stats viable so that everyone doesn't go to Crit and Det for Novus stats? I mean the one's that don't are basically tanks, who usually go parry and accuracy, and even then it's hard to say Parry is necessarily better than Determination.

Not only would making other stats more desirable ease the demand on Savages, but it might encourage people to spirit bind because they aren't rolling the dice on two particular materia IVs dropping.

Best solution would have been to not even have created the materia system to begin with. Sadly, the relic quest line has never been about challenge, and always about time sink (and gil sink). It really shouldn't be any surprise, because the relic quest line has basically been the go-to method of forcing players to experience all content, especially older content. It was only a matter of time before the relic quest line highlighted the "amazing" materia system (it spent more than enough time highlighting FATEs, old dungeons, etc.).

Don't be too surprised when Hunts get mixed into the relic quest line, or any other system not already a part of it.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

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Relics requiring you to beat HM primals wasn't forcing people to experience old content and was in fact a prerequisite to progressing to the end-game, BCoB. Zenith was admittedly trivial and stupid. However, everything since obtaining the original relic was pretty much a time and gil sink as you describe.

Materia would be less of a garbage design mechanic if they removed the RNG aspect and just made overmelds require progressively more materia of the given grade to achieve the desired effect. First overmeld would need x2, second would need x4, third overmeld would need x8, and fourth overmeld would need x16. At the very least it'd give people a better scope at how much a piece of gear is valued once overmelded. You can't really predict that you are going fail a 20% meld 20 times in a row.

The materia system is part of the reason crafted gear is so niche. It's really hard to go the crafted route when you look at the gil investment from the materia and the tome investment from the mats for a piece of gear that is going to get replaced after a few kills in coil or a few weeks of tome farming.

While are on the topic of bad mechanics, what about elemental resist materia and the Alchemists 2.0 2* recipes, Elemental Wards? Will these ever serve a meaningful purpose? Doubtful.

Well, the easiest way to fix this would be to make it easier to get level IV materia.

- level 90 crafted gear could go back to converting into level IV's 100% of the time

- add materia to possible dungeon loot

- make all dungeon gear up to level 70 be convertible

- Let you purchase them with Poetics tomes? Say 100 for each level IV materia of your choice. (An option for those who already have all the poetics gear they want)

yeah range is a big thing when comes to spiritbinding and novus i leveled crafters originally just to be able to make my own gear

i ended up focusing on making n spirtbinding crafting/gathering gear n selling, more profitable and less range then Dow/DoM since all the junk thats possible from conversion

and making ur own gear to spiritbind will always end in more profit then buyin every piece off the marketboard, when i originally saw the prices of level 4 materia i was aiming for i thought id nvr get close to it but eventually i got my bow 44 crit 30 det 1 acc just cause i wanted to start working on nexus lol

I too have been stuck on the Novus for about 2 months now due to not having the gil to buy up the materia needed, however I am not frustrated with the process. That being said, I craft 1 whole suit of ilvl 45-50 HQ armor every night and spend 40 minutes spirit bonding it. The materia I get are usually 3's but they do sell pretty well on the market. I get 10 lvl 3 materia in 40 minutes, sell it overnight and buy 1-2 materia I need the next night. This lines up nicely with doing my daily mysterious map and maybe some hunts. Sure it's slow but it is how the game was engineered. SE does not want people to be "handed" gear and this is a time/money sink that is not required.

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

[FONT="Century Gothic"]...I'm not a three or four star crafter and im not going to buy Gil to be able to afford the best materia for my novus...

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Neither am I, but I have no problem generating money. There are plenty of items you can craft and sell on the board to generate the funds, as you have several crafting class at 50. I make a very tidy profit selling lvl18, 28, 38 jewellery on the boards. Cost is say 400 gil per item, each item usually sells with 2 days at 10K+ each. That will generate 200K per day. You can earn another 50K per day with In Need bonuses for the duty roulettes. On my board, that means I could buy a Savage Might IV every 2 or 3 days. All other materia is just cheap by comparison. In addition, you can craft Zircon jewellery and SB it. That should yield you at least 1 Savage Might IV, every two sets.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

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You could SB 2* gear. LTW makes Gryphonskin gear (Monk/Ninja/Bard for everything but the earrings) and Hard Hippo Leather has been cheap lately. Run Lost City, Brayflox HM and Halatali HM. Got about a 50% chance to get a Grade IV. If the gear is HQ and has 1 melded materia it'll fully bind in three runs unless the group is skipping trash.

Set costs about 70-90k to make on my server so if I get even a single Might/Aim IV it's paid for itself 5x over. Honestly unless you get all tier III stat/elemental/quickarm materia you've at least broken even.

Also, Ehcatl Sealants, though the price seems to be tanking. Those were going for 350k per sealant on my server. You can get 3 Sealants every 4 days, so that would get you roughly 1 mil every 4 days. That'd be about 4 Savage Might IVs a week for 15 mins a day worth of effort.

ok just something i finish my novus 1 month after it got the novus upgrade, the materia inflation was worst,
just get the idea using all the materia IV don't wort it, that all...
by exemple my gae bolg (longinus now^^) i just put 25 crit, 25 deter, 25 acc
you can still manage too get less acc with a armor piece, also got the acc on the weapon will be a security if you need acc and have a problem to get it with the current new gears.
it work for any class expept BLM they need acc to but 25 will maybe be a little too harsh, you may want less than 25
and exept for WHM/SCH : they don't need ACC : you may chose Castspeed/deter/crit or something like that
choose not 2 stats but 3 stats, you don't need to put so much materia IV
also for PLD this is what i suggest : both on the shield and sword put the more you can : ACC, Parade on the sword and shield in materia III, put some materia IV just what you can afford, and after or if you can afford materia IV put deter III to complete.
Well i hope it help, and you do the same in real life anyway, you always look for the cheaper price for anything, your weapon will not be better by put so much materia IV on it, also secondary stat don't make a so big difference, you need stat your job can need :
DRG : ACC, DETER, CRIT, PLD/WAR : ACC, Parade, deter, NINJA/MONK : ACC, DETER, CRIT (Skillspeed is also questionable), WHM, Deter, cast speed, pie SCH crit, cast speed, pie, BARD : ACC, crit deter, BLM : Acc, Crit, Deter (eventualy cast speed)

Ok so, got a question...

I hear that when melding materia for Novus, every number of stats you get a bonus for you future upgrades (every 22 stats was it I think) how does this work?

I hear this is reversible, how does that work? You get a new scroll and do 75 meldings all over again? You choose what to replace?

If you re-meld your weapon in a later stage, do you still get the so-called bonuses?


Assuming this, I can just keep playing until I have 15 or so million saved, and re-do my meldings.