The morale changes have effectively destroyed my PvP gear

Before I go into detail, while my gear is fixable, it's going to take a LOT of money to do so. I already invested a large amount of gil into it and luckily not every piece has been effected, only a few of the left hand side.

So, before the morale changes, there was only one additional secondary stat on each piece. With that, I had made some drastic melds to my gear using a total of 10 DET IV materias across the main pieces, not including the weapon. 3 of them give a stat bonus of +0 while 2 others give a stat bonus of less than 4, which means a grade III would be more suitable. Some give a +5 and so I would still like to have them socketed into the gear.

However, due to the materia removal system, it's an all or nothing. Four of my pieces are affected as seen in the following images. It would be nice, for PvP gear, to have a materia removal system that allows materia to be removed one at a time, even if it was once off per piece due to the changes in the morale stat.

Now, while the build looks very expensive, it's not as much as it seems. All of, if not most, of these were done before the novus stage of the relic had been announced and so materia prices were far lower. Due to Novus and i110 crafted gear, materia prices are extremely high.

As far as this goes, getting a dev/community team response, my expectations are near to zero. Even with a response, something happening in my favour...next to zero (that is by no means an attack on them). If I can get some assistance, it would be appreciated.

Gear images:

http://i.imgur.com/7gQLO9p.png http://i.imgur.com/PJBOb64.png

http://i.imgur.com/W93bEJO.png http://i.imgur.com/exYswG1.png

The introduction of the Rank 45 Liege sets already outdated your gear and all that Materia only had effect in unsynced level 50 Wolf's Den.

Sorry, you misspent your money and you only have yourself to blame.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

The introduction of the Rank 45 Liege sets already outdated your gear and all that Materia only had effect in unsynced level 50 Wolf's Den.

Sorry, you misspent your money and you only have yourself to blame.

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Actually, I did this long ago. As I stated, before the announcement of Novus but unsure how much earlier, but earlier all the same. So while this precedes the liege set, it does not mean that it does then become entirely useless. You don't suddenly toss all your second coil gear before going into final coil just because it's out dated. It's use for progression. So the blame is not on me as it would be absurd to expect any player to foresee this change in such a distant future from the moment I had committed to it.

While the materia effects take place only within the unsynced Wolves' Den matches, why should that suddenly dismiss the issue here? This is the PvP section of the forums and this is still a PvP related matter. You may not enjoy the Wolves' Den and that's down to your own personal preference, nothing to do with me.

Sorry for the waste. I hate it when patches make random changes which may screw a portion of people over while making a different portion undeservedly rich. Hopefully they won't have to make drastic changes like this to PvP gear in the future, at least.

U need to get 110 gears now tho, anyway right? xD

I just wanted to tell you... and?
Nobody goes to the wolves den ... And believe me, I am the first heartbroken. So that your PvP gear is "destroyed", concretely, it changes what?



Sieghilde Schtauffen

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

U need to get 110 gears now tho, anyway right? xD

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I do ._. but I don't want the WAR i110 set just yet.

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Originally Posted by SeleniaArgon

I just wanted to tell you... and?
Nobody goes to the wolves den ... And believe me, I am the first heartbroken. So that your PvP gear is "destroyed", concretely, it changes what?



Sieghilde Schtauffen

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Really? Nobody goes? I guess when the DF pops, and it does pop, I am getting matches with bots. It effects me mainly financially. I could resocket the materia, and doing some of the DET IV wouldn't be too much of a problem because it would be 100% but it means going into materia that won't hit the 100% chances. I had a setup catering to how the gear used to work but now they changed it and put me at a loss. While I can't be sure, I wouldn't be surprised if others have experienced this loss.

While I have no doubt that nothing will be done about this right now, it would be nice if it is at least taken into consideration should they make any future changes to gear.

i feel your pain lol i grinded out to 40 and spent about 15mil in melds for my drg set and its just a waste now lol, i was preparing to destroy people in FL but that never happened , i gave up on pvp after this patch will get to r45 but wont grind and meld like i use to

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Originally Posted by Barboron

Actually, I did this long ago. As I stated, before the announcement of Novus but unsure how much earlier, but earlier all the same. So while this precedes the liege set, it does not mean that it does then become entirely useless. You don't suddenly toss all your second coil gear before going into final coil just because it's out dated. It's use for progression. So the blame is not on me as it would be absurd to expect any player to foresee this change in such a distant future from the moment I had committed to it.

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And your Bearsmaw stuff is still usable in i80 sync PvP. (The Belt is still what could be considered "BiS" for Warrior in i80 sync) All that happened was that your super melds are no longer super. That is the complaint you are making. Considering the timeline you are stating, your gear was devalued only a month or two after you did it with 2.3's introduction of Frontlines and ilevelsync.

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While the materia effects take place only within the unsynced Wolves' Den matches, why should that suddenly dismiss the issue here? This is the PvP section of the forums and this is still a PvP related matter. You may not enjoy the Wolves' Den and that's down to your own personal preference, nothing to do with me.

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I do enjoy wolf's den. I was a regular participant in my server's "friendlies" and also tend to be one of the ones who getting things running when interest in them occurs, but I also understand that the developers did not intend for players to meld secondary stat Materia into PvP gear. They intended for players to meld in the Status Resistance Materia introduced with the PvP gear.

There was another thread similar to this in which I pointed out:

Your equipment now is stronger than it was before. Yes, some of your previously-useful materia is now granting +0 of a stat, but your gear's overall stats have increased, with the source of that being the base stat of the gear instead of the materia. You didn't actually lose anything; it was, in fact, a gain. Why would anyone complain about that?

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

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But the introduction of FL doesn't automatically devalue my materia. Wolves' Den is still there, the materia still has a use regardless of the options that are available that include the sync.

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Originally Posted by Vandril

There was another thread similar to this in which I pointed out:

Your equipment now is stronger than it was before. Yes, some of your previously-useful materia is now granting +0 of a stat, but your gear's overall stats have increased, with the source of that being the base stat of the gear instead of the materia. You didn't actually lose anything; it was, in fact, a gain. Why would anyone complain about that?

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I get that the stats are now increased but now I am at a loss still because I either leave my gear as is and have wasted slots which give very little contribution to my stats, if any, or remove everything and have no benefit from the materia without incurring another financial sink should I remeld. As for the increase to the gear's stats, everyone with PvP gets that, which sort of balances it out for opponents with PvP gear also.
Yes, I agree the changes to morale was actually a good one and makes it quite useful, but it puts my materia dead in the water. Since none of the gear has accuracy and I have dead slots that could have had accuracy melded (since you can miss), my slots are practically full, if not just the 100% chance slots are used (like in my belt and pants).

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Originally Posted by Barboron

I get that the stats are now increased but now I am at a loss still because I either leave my gear as is and have wasted slots which give very little contribution to my stats, if any, or remove everything and have no benefit from the materia without incurring another financial sink should I remeld. As for the increase to the gear's stats, everyone with PvP gets that, which sort of balances it out for opponents with PvP gear also.

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Someone FINALLY brings up relative player power in PvP being effected by this change, thus being a "nerf", instead of raging at me. Kudos to you, friend!

Yes, you have a point. Still, while it doesn't feel good, how much of a difference does it actually make? You lost, what, 4-8 of up to two separate secondary stats and maybe 3-4 of your main attribute per piece of gear? It's only a temporary setback, as well as a fairly minor one. You'll have the new gear before you know it, I think.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

I have dead slots that could have had accuracy melded (since you can miss)

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Okay, I keep hearing people say this. Is this REALLY, UNDENIABLY true? Is there any absolute proof or any reliable testing on this? Or maybe a developer post saying so? I have had base accuracy for as long as I remember, and I have NEVER missed outside of Blind or a healer's...whatever that 100% miss chance ability is. I am almost 100% sure, based on personal experience, that you have a 0% base miss chance in PvP, and only miss due to enemy debuffs or buffs.

I would love to get solid proof as to whether it's true or not.

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Originally Posted by ish007xx

i feel your pain lol i grinded out to 40 and spent about 15mil in melds for my drg set and its just a waste now lol, i was preparing to destroy people in FL but that never happened , i gave up on pvp after this patch will get to r45 but wont grind and meld like i use to

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Now even you the destroyer said gave up pvp, tho wolves den has no any meaning now ^^;

@Barboron

I just want to say that you conduct yourself like a scholar and a gentlemen. It's clear to see how a topic like this can help the developers take our needs into consideration with the inevitable future changes the game will endure throughout it's lifecycle.

Threads like this that outline a clairvoyant and objective outlook can only help to strengthen the relationship between the playerbase and design team, and also help to limit the "repatching of patches" that games like this suffer from a lack of said relationships.

If the "tired of this treadmill" thread was outlined as clear as this, maybe it would sound like a legitimate and intelligent argument instead of "omg we needs horizontal progressions dev noobs!!" (which I agree with but that thread is hard to stomach).

Thank you for your professionalism, stay classy op :cool:

I just kind of bit the bullet on this one. I, too, melded up my set pre-Frontlines and get to stare at a few Savage Might IV's with +0. xD I guess at this point it would just make more sense to push towards the i110(130) set and meld appropriately with the change if you so desire. I'd wait until Wolves' Den is popular or a new, uncapped mode is released though. But yeah, definitely feel your pain.

yes you can miss in pvp. Only need like +24ish accuracy to make it nearly nonexistent. at least for melee. I've only tested on mrd. tested through playing enough pvp to notice.
Hawks eye > accuracy
B rank hunts are really tough with the low accuracy of pvp gear. Hawks eye is my clutch. I'm really just too lazy to simply switch to pve gear.

Im upset that i have ugly zeroes in my armor. the +acc would be a benefit. If i can ever rank up, i will feel like it would have been a pointless adjustment.

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Originally Posted by blueblankets

yes you can miss in pvp. Only need like +24ish accuracy to make it nearly nonexistent. at least for melee. I've only tested on mrd. tested through playing enough pvp to notice.

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And you're sure you weren't blinded or someone didn't use a +Evasion cooldown?

Well, I'm not entirely convinced, because just noticing it while PvPing is far less reliable than deliberate, staged testing (however hard that would be in FFXIV PvP). However, I'll take your word for it until better evidence can present itself.

Why would you spend fortunes for items that were relevant for 1 instance that was always gasping for breath and which the whole surrounding aspects had the revamp stick looming over it?

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Originally Posted by Pibz

Why would you spend fortunes for items that were relevant for 1 instance that was always gasping for breath and which the whole surrounding aspects had the revamp stick looming over it?

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For the same reason people spend fortunes for item that are relevant to 1 instance that is filled with bosses that they can already kill without said items and without spending said fortune.

Gil is made to be spent.

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Originally Posted by Vandril

For the same reason people spend fortunes for item that are relevant to 1 instance that is filled with bosses that they can already kill without said items and without spending said fortune.

Gil is made to be spent.

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Except the raiding scene has always been super active vs Wolves' Den community which was always on life support at best..

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Originally Posted by Pibz

Except the raiding scene has always been super active vs Wolves' Den community which was always on life support at best..

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Which has anything at all to do with whether or not people spend money to gear up for it, right?

No, I didn't think so. :P

Gil is meant to be spent.