Many of us including myself love when we party with new players because we get that New player bonus that many of us could use to get our soldiery or poetic tomes faster, so I think it would be a good idea to add a "New Player: Roulette" which allows us to join any content needed by a new player.
This will also increase the amount of healers and tanks that do low level content like low level dungeons.
New Player: Roulette
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11-20-2014, 02:25 AMBrightshadowNew Player: Roulette
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11-20-2014, 02:31 AMGarlyle
Personally, I'd prefer that they just give preference when assigning roulettes to players that have the new status - for post-50 dungeons or pre-50. It solves some of the pain on a new class' release for anyone who's still new to the game, it helps them get into and learn content faster, and does basically the same general effect.
Deliberately adding a separate roulette for new players, as nice as it sounds, will be ignored by a lot of players deliberately because "I don't wanna teach some noob" and/or result in more trolling than we've already got. -
11-20-2014, 02:42 AMDotsusama
As Garlyle said, many high level players would deliberately avoid the roulette for those reasons, and also you might find that new players would not have experienced players around to show them the ropes. Not to mention, several classes are quite dull to play at lower levels -- tanks in particular -- so you would find those players avoiding the dungeons if not for the newbies.
Given they announced recently of looking into the bloat of High Level roulette, they may still do something about Low Level too. But I hope it won't be something like this because to be honest players still learn things post-50 and separating the queues like that would only make things worse for both sides. -
11-20-2014, 02:44 AMBrightshadow
Someone has to teach them just like someone had to teach you, and the extra bonus is awesome, Plus I don't mean a whole party of new players I mean 1 in group to gain the bonus. Obliviously the other new players would que with other experienced players so most people can get the bonus.
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11-20-2014, 02:53 AMArchadius
I'd use this feature.
As someone who can't play several hours per day every day, utilizing and maximizing those "bonuses" is sometimes the only way I cap my tomes each week. The concept would work well, assuming there is only 1 new player per group of 4, or 2 per group of 8, it should be easy for veteran players to either teach the new ones how to run the dungeon/trial, or carry them through if absolutely necessary. Certain players would avoid that roulette, which is fine, because many veteran players don't mind teaching others, especially with a bonus involved. -
11-20-2014, 02:58 AMFuma
I think this is a great idea and I'd use it as well to help new players. Plus you'll also know what you're getting into and can help explain to someone the mechanics as you go.
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11-20-2014, 03:06 AMSadana
I thought Low Level Roulette did this already? But of course you end up with some runs without any new players and I assume this is because there weren't any who needed a particular dungeon at that very instant.
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11-20-2014, 03:10 AMSnugglebutt
I do not think a new player roulette will help new players. It will further segregate people from doing the already present low level roulette's and such. The DR is intended to help all players and new ones included, the bonus is only intended to be an incentive to help them. If you add new player versions of DR on top of what already exists then it would take even longer for new players to get help and may even be (potentially) detrimental to new players.
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11-20-2014, 03:15 AMBixby
The problem(s) with low level roulette (or any specific roulette) is that that's not necessarily where any particular subset of players are when another subset "needs" them. If someone new to Ifrit HM is stuck waiting in queue, while loads of experienced players are grinding through Haukke HM or Sastasha SM together (again), that kinda sucks.
Throwing every possible duty into one roulette cuts down on that problem a good deal. Mostly cuts down on new players waiting for experienced players to join the specific roulette they need.
And to cut down on possible trolls, I still like the idea of giving the new player a pop-up asking if the party was helpful; if yes, bonus tomes, if no, fewer (or no) tomes. -
11-20-2014, 03:16 AMArchadiusHow? Would the proposed roulette not give priority to new players (since you need to either be a new to that particular duty or a veteran player looking to help [or gain a bonus from helping] someone new to it)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snugglebutt
Imagine low level roulette, but instead of occasionally getting 4 veteran players and no bonus, it was guaranteed to have 3 veterans and 1 new player every time, plus have a higher bonus for completing the roulette. -
11-20-2014, 03:19 AMWarlyxyou could be stuck waiting forever , since u still need tank healer dps dps....Quote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
plus u can only queue for 1 DR and nothing else , if we could queue for more than 1 DR at time :rolleyes: -
11-20-2014, 03:23 AMArchadiusHmmm... Yeah I suppose it's possible to run into a situation like that, though being able to queue for multiple roulettes at once would make the system work (not to mention be a Godsend regardless).Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
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11-20-2014, 03:29 AMSnugglebutt
If was no bonus on the low level non-new player one people would not be willing to help others as much in that one without the incentive and would only help the new player but not help anyone else. If keep bonus for both then more people would likely ignore the new player one in favor of running the one with those people experienced in the places so make quicker runs and not need to explain it as much. No matter which way you go it will be detrimental to one group or another and you also have to take into account the element of redundancy since new players are already part of the low level DR.
Segregation of that low level roulette further divides the amount of people helping between them meaning one or the other will have less people helping due to them being busy helping in the other version. I believe there are probably much better ways around helping new players than this method described in the thread. Increasing the incentive on low level roulette's for example. I actually believe SE got it the wrong way around and low level roulette should have higher bonus than high level or expert roulette. Yes higher level roulettes are harder so I can see where they are coming from but higher level roulettes do not need as much help as low level ones. -
11-20-2014, 03:42 AMArchadiusMakes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snugglebutt
I also agree about the bonuses being mixed up. If anything there should be a larger bonus to poetics and/or soldiery for low-level roulette to encourage more veteran players to make use of it and help out new players and players who need these duties for a quest or something. As it sits now, people just spam Snowcloak to cap tomes because it's the fastest, and highest reward earned. -
11-20-2014, 05:03 AMFelisThat is because your new player is queue for a content linked to trial roulette, while your experienced group are in content linked to low level roulette and high level roulette.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bixby
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11-20-2014, 05:07 AMBixbyI know. Which is why, if they created the roulette the OP suggests, that lets us roulette into any duty, that problem would be at least slightly alleviated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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11-20-2014, 06:24 AMpolyhedral
Help a newbie with T5/T9 in DF, bonus +150 poetics regardless of weekly cap
(meaning, you can go over cap once a week for a total of 600 tomes).