Thought I would share my thoughts on how they could work for tanking. Long post incoming.
Dark Knight Job
1. Violent Slash--Deals damage with 150 potency. 15% chance to absorb 50% of damage dealt as Hp. On GCD. 70 TP
2. Blood Weapon--Doubles damage of next weaponskill and returns damage dealt as HP. 40 second cooldown.
4. Darkside--Deals damage with 100 potency. Increased enmity. Combo bonus from Violent Slash: 200 potency. Debuffs enemy for 5 seconds so that 40% of damage dealt in this time is returned as HP. On GCD. 60 TP
6. Drain--Casts a spell that returns damage done as HP. 120 potency. Increased Enmity. 2.5 second cast. On GCD. Costs MP.
8. Black Sky--Instill fear in surrounding enemies, forcing them to attack you. Increased Enmity. Deals damage over time with potency of 20 for 18 seconds. Damage dealt heals user by half. Instant cast. On GCD. Costs Mp.
10. Blood Pact--Sacrifice 10% of HP but decrease damage taken by 50% for next 6 seconds. 150 second cooldown.
12. Redeemer--Deals damage with 140 potency. Slows enemy by 20% for 20 seconds. If enemy is immune to slow, damage dealt by next Violent Slash increases by 20%. On GCD. 80 TP.
15. Shadow Energy --Deals ranged damage with 120 potency. Increased enmity. If enemy has a DoT, there is a 15% chance the Dark Knight will absorb half of its total potency as HP. On GCD. 130 TP.
18. Diabolical Eye--Increases parry strength by 25% and rate by 10%. Allows a 100% parry rate for next 5 seconds after activation. After 5 seconds of 100% parry rate, this parry rate will be unattainable for 180 seconds. Allows Dark Knight to parry magic. Decreases damage dealt by 10%. Increases enmity gained by all abilities. Stance with 10 second cooldown. Cannot be used with other stances. Changes effect of Threaten and Omen.
22. Dismember--Deals damage with 100 potency. Returns damage dealt as HP. Combo Bonus from Redeemer: Adds a DoT with potency of 30 for 15 seconds, while negating HP return from initial hit, instead returning the DoT as Hp. If a DoT crits, this ability costs 0 TP without a combo bonus. On GCD. 60 TP.
26. Threaten--stuns enemy. With Diabolical Eye, it becomes a pacify. With Arcane Circle, it lowers enemy damage dealt by 10%. With Dark Seal, it silences enemy. 20 second cooldown. Costs MP.
30. Vicious Cut--Deals damage with 100 potency. Increased Enmity. Combo Bonus from Darkside: 270 potency. Makes enemy deal 20% less damage with next 2 auto-attacks. On GCD. 60 TP.
30. Arcane Circle--Locks MP in place for 5 seconds after activation. After 5 second lock, MP cannot be locked in place again for 180 seconds. Increases MP regeneration rate by 100%. Damage taken reduces MP instead of HP until MP runs out. Increased Enmity. Cannot be interrupted when casting spells. Stance with 10 second cooldown. Cannot be used with other stances. Changes effect of Threaten and Omen.
34. Death--Instantly kill an enemy under 20% HP. If enemy is immune, deals damage with potency of 500. 40 second cooldown. 5 second cast time. Costs MP.
35. Dark Seal--decreases damage taken by 15%. Increases HP restored by self-healing attacks by 30%. Upon activation, HP is replenished by amount of current MP. This method of obtaining HP will become unattainable for 180 seconds after being used once. Reduces damage dealt by 10%. Increased enmity. Stance with 10 second cooldown. Cannot be used with other stances. Changes effect of Threaten and Omen.
38. Mind Breaker--Deals damage with 100 potency. Returns damage dealt as MP. Combo Bonus from Redeemer: Adds a DoT with a potency of 15 for 30 seconds. If a DoT crits, there is a 50% chance cooldown on Blood Weapon will be restored.
40. Doom--calls forth a demon to take an enemy's soul. Enemy's str, dex, mind, and int are reduced by 5% for one minute. After minute expires, enemy dies, or if immune to death, enemy takes damage with potency of 600. 2.5 second cast. 240 second cooldown. Costs MP.
42. Dark Spikes--Drain MP at 1% a second to maintain this ability. Reduce damage taken by 5%. Every time enemy attacks, deal dark damage with 10 potency. Each counterattack has a 15% chance to allow the use of any weaponskill without a combo bonus and for half TP.
45. Soul eater--Sacrifice 10% of HP to attack all enemies in a frontal cone. Deals damage with potency of 210. Increased Enmity. Can only be used when HP is above 75%. Increases Defense and Magic Defense by 2% for each enemy hit for 20 seconds. 30 second cooldown. When in Arcane Circle stance, this ability sacrifices 10% of MP and still requires HP to be above 75%.
46. Nether Void--Sacrifice 10% of HP. The next two attacks taken do not injure the body, and damage taken by them will be percentage based. Each one removes 3% of HP. After effect disappears, the Dark Knight becomes buffed and received a 20% more HP from healing magic for 20 seconds. 120 second.
50. Omen--After 20 seconds, reduce the damage the enemy deals for 30 seconds by 10%. With Diabolical Eye, the enemy takes 10% more damage for 10 seconds. With Arcane Circle, the enemy's accuracy and evasion are reduced by 20% for ten seconds. With Dark Seal, the enemy will now take 200% damage from critical attacks instead of 150% for 15 seconds. 2.5 second cast time. 100 second cooldown.
50. Last Resort--allow HP to reach zero without dying for 6 seconds. Sacrices the Hp of the target ally to 1% to restore all of his or her HP to you, on the fifth second. This makes the ally invulnerable to damage for 10 seconds. 300 second cooldown.
54. Charon--deals damage with potency of 180. Increased Enmity. Combo Bonus from Vicious Cut: 310 potency. If enemy dies 10 seconds after this ability is used, 10% of HP is restored and 20% of MP is restored. On GCD. 70 TP.
58. Confuse Ray--makes next enemy attack target its ally if one is available with next ability, dealing only up to 80% damage with the attack. Dark Knight will split the damage with the target by half. If it cannot attack any allies, it will attack a shadow. 80 second cooldown.
60. Dominion Over All--Deals damage with 180 potency to all nearby enemies and binds them. Reduces damage taken by 20% for 10 seconds. 2.5 second cast. 60 second cooldown. Costs MP.
Dark Knight Abilities!
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11-18-2014, 04:48 PMAltijacekDark Knight Abilities!
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11-18-2014, 04:59 PMKiroh
So...you want DRK to be what WAR was pre 2.2? ._.
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11-18-2014, 05:07 PMAltijacek
You mean 2.0, and clearly you didn't war back then ;) this is very very different.
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11-18-2014, 05:11 PMNeph
What about the obvious dread spikes or the stun being just the spell stun? Also, They'll probably will use names from some of the great sword weapon skills of ffxi like Hard Slash, Power Slash, Spinning Slash, Ground Strike etc. The list was kind of interesting but I dont feel it's what drk is about.
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11-18-2014, 05:25 PMKirohYou clearly didn't WAR between 2.0 and 2.2 if you think I meant pre-2.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altijacek
(Also you can check my achievement history you know. Click on the "Sixth Astral Era" Tab at the bottom of the Categories. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6/achievement/)
Edit : Meanwhile I have the "Chock full of elemental goodness" achievement but my Crystal Bearer title has been missing for EIGHT MONTHS SE! EIGHT MONTHS! D=< -
11-18-2014, 06:00 PMDarkStar
I need to look over this a bit more carefully to have some solid opinions on this, but being an FFT fan, I personally think Blood Weapon should be called Night Sword or Shadowblade. Not to mention I'm pretty sure it was only called "Blood Weapon" in FFXI because Dark Knights had access to more than just swords, but that's just me being nitpicky.
Edit: So, after looking over the class more closely, it honestly feels too powerful. The sheer amount of life-draining abilities it has feels a bit excessive, even for a tank whose entire thing is just that. And even in the case of said abilities, they all feel a bit...wonky. I mean, when are you going to have the time to cast Drain when you've got a boss or a bunch of monsters all bashing on you? Death feels like a Useless Useful Spell, Doom feels a bit too good for everything it does (debuffs to every main stat on the target AND a sizable spike of damage when the duration runs out? And only on a 2.5 second cast?), Dismember should really combo off of Violent Slash, like GLD's Riot Blade and MRD's Maim, Redeemer's alternate effect will basically never come into play and thus the move will never be used (another reason to combo Dismember off Violent Slash instead), and I feel it should instead be something like a Trait. Something like, every time Dismember's DoT crits, there's a 15% chance that the next Violent Slash gets the damage bonus?
Also, your "Panic Button" idea feels really wonky, and Black Sky feels too powerful. AoE Enmity, AoE DoT, AND an AoE Drain effect, and it only uses the global cooldown with no cast time? Unless it's really freaking expensive, that feels WAY too good.
On the other side of things, I find the idea of each stance being a combination of a static buff and a Defensive Cooldown is interesting, and having 3 of them feels like the magic number of enough possible effects to switch between based on how the battle is going. I also find it interesting that you actually figured out a way to make the idea of sacricing HP to tank feel like a valid choice, though I still feel it's not the best idea.
All in all, cool idea, but would need a lot of fine-tuning to make it so people can't just ignore mechanics and still come out fine. -
11-18-2014, 06:57 PMExstalI think you meant pre-2.1, as 2.2 WAR is the same as current WAR (aside from emnity increases).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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11-19-2014, 12:10 AMAltijacek
That's what I said lol. Anyways, thanks for the feedback those of you who responded :) I know it's gimmicky but I kinda wanted to see how the fanbase feels about such a gimmicky class :P I'm just trying to have fun making different tanking styles, and to me the stance dancing seems like a lot of fun so I'm proudest of that :)
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11-19-2014, 01:24 AMMageBlack
Its coming, they have a plan for it. I'm more interested in actual information rather than theories at this point.
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11-19-2014, 01:56 AMVerlyn
When doing this sort of thing you want to avoid using placeholder numbers. It draws attention to the numbers instead of the concept and that will cause you undue frustration.
That said, concept is still way too strong. The HP cost would have to be much larger on some of these skills to be balanced. Especially the one that relegates damage to a fixed of your HP per hit for a few hits. It's like 'Hey, we can completely negate mountain buster and then receive a healing boost after it, for free!' You're very forgiving on the sacrifice aspect, to the point where the DK using its sacrifice skills isn't really a sacrifice at all, considering that HP is just gonna get healed right back up before the GCD completes. That DK basically gets ridiculous bonuses for free. -
11-19-2014, 02:45 AMAndevom
These are pretty ridiculous and waaay off balance.
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34. Death--Instantly kill an enemy under 20% HP. If enemy is immune, deals damage with potency of 500. 40 second cooldown. 5 second cast time. Costs MP.
That's just...insane. This is supposed to be a tank job, and those would be overkill for a DPS class.Quote:
40. Doom--calls forth a demon to take an enemy's soul. Enemy's str, dex, mind, and int are reduced by 5% for one minute. After minute expires, enemy dies, or if immune to death, enemy takes damage with potency of 600. 2.5 second cast. 240 second cooldown. Costs MP.
What makes the most sense is something comparable to Shield Oath/Defiance. Increased Enmity (and maybe parry rate), but a Max HP reduction thrown on. It'd give DRK a slight edge when it comes to putting out solid damage as a tank and still maintain hate control, with the risk of getting overwhelmed due to fewer HP. -
11-19-2014, 04:08 AMAltijacekI agree actually. Neither Void should sacrifice 20% hp and each of the next hits should remove 10% HP. Which means you must be above 40% to survive this. It was definitely OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verlyn
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11-19-2014, 04:13 AMAltijacekThe MP cost of both those abilities is extremely large, plus they have a long cooldown AND a cast time. I made a typo on the Death cooldown, supposed to be 80 seconds. That said, the potency should be reduced to 400 and 500 I believe. On top of that, intelligence influences the damage output of these abilities; as tanks they're going to want vitality, and their weapon is physical so it doesn't increase magic damage, which is why this ability is powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andevom
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11-19-2014, 05:08 AMVerlynIf I was going to go with that skill at all, I'd change the dynamic up completely. Make it so the DK's life force is sapped by a fixed percentage per tick (like a self-dot), in addition to consuming the same amount per hit and make it a cooldown. That way they can't just flip it on and off. They'd turn it on, lose the sacrifice HP up-front, then be stuck in it even during the weak hits. Maybe make it about 5-10 seconds duration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altijacek
That's just an example idea, obviously and it probably comes with its own issues. Hard to determine how crazy this stuff would be in a party dynamic. I'd imagine DKs with heavy handed HP sacrifices wouldn't be much fun to heal for. -
11-19-2014, 05:10 AMtreuhavik
Wait, you're building a tank with cast times...? Also, why would they design a STR based job to have INT based abilities? Just lower the potency and have it scale with the jobs main stat.
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11-19-2014, 05:13 AMAlexionSkylark
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11-19-2014, 05:23 AMAltijacekI thought I wrote down that it would last for two hits only? I don't know and yeah I mean I'm just looking for feedback, not trying to defend my ideas at all :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Verlyn
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11-19-2014, 05:24 AMAltijacekMainly because I believe it should have magic abilities, and it might be interesting to make crafting gear or customizable gear with both stats in the future. This is why we only ever have a single important stat in this game lol XDQuote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
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11-19-2014, 05:43 AMtreuhavikDon't get me wrong, I'd love to go back to XI Haste/WS gear-swapping but this game currently couldn't handle multiple attributes and I don't think that's going to change w/ 3.0, if we're being realistic here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altijacek
I too agree that DRK should use some type of dark/black magic but they won't give a tank casting times. Most PLDs can't even handle using cross-class stoneskin, the skill difference between good and bad DRKs would be far too vast for SE to tolerate. Think more toward instant-cast abilities or the murdra system, something that won't be interrupted while taking hits. -
11-19-2014, 06:06 AMAltijacekThey have a stance where spells won't be interrupted though. Just making sure you saw that.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
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11-19-2014, 06:45 AMAirgetThat is assuming they follow the same attribute focus as warrior/pld STR/VIT. For all we know a Dark Knight could have a cleric stance like ability wherein their main focus is Intelligence allowing them to be masters of magic and it's that manipulation of darkness that allows them to empower their STR.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
It is a thought that just popped into mind and I think it would be interesting to see the utilization of Darkness be based on their intelligence rather than being a tank that follows the same str/vit mentality. -
11-22-2014, 02:11 AMtreuhavikAh! No, I must've missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altijacek
Yeah, that would be interesting... Also, if NIN's melee attacks can be affected by DEX, I see no reason DRK couldn't be affected in the same sense by INT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airget
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02-01-2015, 02:43 PMZohar_Lahar
I would think weaponskills would be taken from Great Sword abilities in XI, like Power Slash and Sickle Moon.
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02-01-2015, 02:51 PMmyahele
DRK has always traditionally used thier HP to boost their attack. I'd like it if they did the same thing to in regards to this version of DRK. Instead of TP, DRK will use up their HP instead. They'll have roughly the same amount of HP as WAR and will have a stance similar to PLD/WAR whhere they sacrifice dmg for increased emnity.
Not sure how viable it'll be, since they'll always need to be healed regardless.