ST trolling

More and more I seem to be getting people into party/alliance that do nothing for entire run, stand around starting point and BOOM, when sands/oils pop, they are there to lot them! This is really annoying cause you cannot even vote kick them. You either have people rushing or loot waiting to get rolled on. Only thing that you can do is report them and HOPE you never run into them again.

Please do something about this :(

Yeah they would just purposely die so they can warp out to starting point and then get "locked out" till the fight clear and repeat this for the entire run. Is it more rampant problems in US or European servers? I don't see it much in japan servers.

Do what? They can't prevent trolling, they provide a tool to deal with griefers, vote kick, but it requires the whole party to agree with you, if you party is running to chests then maybe they don't agree or don't care about it.

There is a small window to initiate vote kick right before people open chest, but you must have the party list open right as the boss dies.

This is what happend to me two days ago. I joined ST and I noticed that one player was doing nothing, he entered the stage and went afk. After two warnings, I decided to share my findings with everyone in the Alliance. If its one thing players hate its carrying someone, so we decided to kick him out. This troll was not stupid, so he let the loot timer continue until it ended and when we waited untill the loot timer was done, he started attacking the boss. As a Alliance we decided to wipe and kick him out. Is it a little extreme? Probaly, but atleast this little Fudger is not leeching anymore.

As a Alliance you guys need to stand toghter and kick those trolls out, SE can not manage the players, they can only add some tools like the Vote Kick to force them out. If your Alliance does not care if someone is leeching, then you have no choice but to deal with it.

Stand toghter and kick those twats out!

SE needs to extend the lockout penalty to people that get kicked too. Like the withdraw spam, it'll eventually get them to stop acting this way.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

SE needs to extend the lockout penalty to people that get kicked too. Like the withdraw spam, it'll eventually get them to stop acting this way.

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Yeah but sometimes people get kicked for no troll reason, just because they aren't deemed by the other party good enough <o<; so I don't think it would be fair

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Originally Posted by Alukah

There is a small window to initiate vote kick right before people open chest, but you must have the party list open right as the boss dies.

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I actually tried that couple of times during that run, but I guess I timed it wrong.

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Originally Posted by sayafrost

Yeah but sometimes people get kicked for no troll reason, just because they aren't deemed by the other party good enough <o<; so I don't think it would be fair

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I've seen this happen also. Healer in ST vote kicked dragoon from duty because he died too many times on Scylla. In his defence I have to say that he was frozen all those times, and no one helped him.

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Originally Posted by Naliee

I've seen this happen also. Healer in ST vote kicked dragoon from duty because he died too many times on Scylla. In his defence I have to say that he was frozen all those times, and no one helped him.

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Since it's alliance content the rest could make up for the mistake, but Dragoons (and Ninjas) do tend to almost always be dead and healers tend to waste so much MP raising them lol. So in the healer's defense, normally you do get rid of the weakest link in your party, so frozen or no frozen, you can still heal them (and chances are your healers were using Succor/Medica II, which is enough to keep them up) but if the DRG wasn't near your party area to get hit by the AoE healing..that's also a problem. So it sounded more like an overall alliance problem if they weren't being broken out of ice at all.

I was on a run the other night, where the other Healer decided to not do anything, because people were removing the Alliance marks, and they were adamant that they should be there.

Prior to that, the individual decided to have a whine about the fact that they were put into Alliance A, and due to that, they wouldn't be able to manage the Scylla battle correctly (some perceived understanding that there are no flame orb spawns in A, or something?) Regardless, it was utterly ridiculous that said person refused to heal anyone for these reasons, and we wiped as I couldn't manage the heals by myself after getting frozen.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Since it's alliance content the rest could make up for the mistake, but Dragoons (and Ninjas) do tend to almost always be dead and healers tend to waste so much MP raising them lol.

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Really the only reason I even die to Scylla. Trapped in ice for to long or literally zero heals. There is really no excuse for both healers and other alliance members. I trap inbetween the boss and where my healers are so Im out of circle AoE and easily visible and puddle is easily accessible to all. From the experience in my runs I don't blame specific jobs, I see so many just screw up in and out of party. Every once in a while I get a smooth Scylla where no one dies.

The entertaining part is watching a player in another alliance freak out with ice and trap their own members.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

Really the only reason I even die to Scylla. Trapped in ice for to long or literally zero heals.

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Exact reason for me as well. Second Wind only goes so far to self heal.
And if i go as summoner more often then not i am rezing people and heal with my all so good physick

I had a run the other day where one of the alliance party memebers was pulling everything early which ended up locking out a few people at every fight.

I also had a run where one of the tanks was spirit bonding in lvl40 gear and almost died instantly on the first trash mob

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Originally Posted by sayafrost

Yeah but sometimes people get kicked for no troll reason, just because they aren't deemed by the other party good enough <o<; so I don't think it would be fair

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Square needs to prevent kicked players from rejoining the same instance. I had one ST one where my party kicked out a healer because she would DPS when we asked her to help me heal the party and made the fights more difficult as a result. Kicked her a total of FOUR times and she kept coming back.

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Originally Posted by Naliee

I actually tried that couple of times during that run, but I guess I timed it wrong.

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I've been able to initiate a vote kick on these guys a couple times. But sometimes things are going too fast, and I just ask the alliance to wait a minute we have a griefer, and they wait. Just ask, most people are afraid to ask I guess. It's not a big deal to wait a minute to boot someone.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Square needs to prevent kicked players from rejoining the same instance. I had one ST one where my party kicked out a healer because she would DPS when we asked her to help me heal the party and made the fights more difficult as a result. Kicked her a total of FOUR times and she kept coming back.

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This is the major problem. There should be a 15 minute penalty before a person can rejoin in a DF, regardless if they felt they were kicked for legit reasons or not. Granted some "innocent" players may have been kicked unjustly, but if so, they have the recourse of filing a complaint with the GMs explaining the situation and having action taken against those people who did it unjustly, personally, I have never been in a party where they kicked a player just because they felt like it, only times were when said player was purposely interfering with the game play of the other party members. Otherwise, for the majority of the kicks which are legit, this will prevent the bad player from immediately rejoining in progress and landing in the same party again harassing the other members.

There is no way for SE to monitor bad behaviors with all the players, so the 15 minute penalty would work for most cases, for those who felt it was not fair, file a complaint with the GMs. Simple.

Thing is ST is not job specific. Healers that do not heal, tanks that do not know how to tank and complain when a Ninja does not use Goad every little time, dps ( have seen blm, summoner do this)
go ahead of everyone and agro enemies. It truly is Ct all over again and maybe even worst now. Really only do ST for chance of Sands but since 2.4 my highest rolls has been 10 in every single run, so i may just skip St all together now out of frustration