Sad Sad day for SCH

Ok, so I finally reached ilvl 100 on my SCH (I am new to game), but i have noticed that most of the new ilvl 120+ crit gear is from the final coil?

So basically, you can almost get BIS from just farming poetics on a WHM, but for a SCH, you have to be able to clear Final coil to get BiS?

This is ridiculous don't you guys think?

SCH is way too crit dependent, I mean lustrate don't scale with gear, you have 2 aoe heals that benefit from crit, so I am stuck with hero's accessories and daystar gear until next expansion?

I am just curious how people that cannot join raid groups to clear new content keep up with their gear?

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.



Edit: I am almost convinced to drop SCH and go WHM at least until next expac if I cannot find a reasonable solution

Thanks.

Oh sure, complain about this now, never mind that WHMs had the opposite problem when SCoB came out.

P.S. BiS means nothing unless you're a top tier min-maxing raider. If secondary stats affect your ability to heal, you have bigger problems than gear.

Umm...not sure what OP is talking about

Ironworks Optics has crit
Ironworks Belt has crit
Ironworks Thighboots has crit
Ironworks Bracelet has crit

If anything they made it so WHM and SCH will need a mix of both for BiS this time, instead of handing it to SCHs like they did in 2.2.

also this

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

P.S. BiS means nothing unless you're a top tier min-maxing raider. If secondary stats affect your ability to heal, you have bigger problems than gear.

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Secondary stats mean so little in FFXIV it's hilariously funny. A SCH with absolutely no Crit gear on can do just fine in end-game content. Seriously, it's not THAT big of a deal.

Silly OP, ilvl and thus MND always comes first. No one will deny you of a raiding spot if you're good and at ANY i110 gear. Besides, you are literally handed out the i110 BiS with sands being easy to get too. Also, you are not stuck with Hero's accessories because you also have the opportunity to farm SCOB/Ramuh EX for other i110 BiS pieces. We're all as fresh off in 2.4 with the new stuff, so chill out.

Ok i guess i pissed some people off, I was overreacting I know.
Aldo crit is just so good that I really want high crit gear as much as possible, and less crit on the new 2.4 poetic gear kinda threw me off thats all.

I will keep working on it...

1/ Who care bout BiS for healer? whether you are full crit or full det what matters is that you keep people alive
2/ I hated at the begining of last patch how SCH was the last who could upgrade to 110 because you needed 5 sands to upgrade left side and when you gear up, you leave all the sands to the DPS first (and tanks) and the WHM took all coil loot first because BiS...

so no, I am super happy that somes pieces are in coil

SCREW YOU, DAYSTAR ROBES! >:(

Actually, the new PVP gear has significantly more crit than anything else out there at the moment =s

And no, full poetics gear isn't BiS for WHM at all, both healers got the short straw as far as itemisation goes this tier. Most BiS SCH builds have more SS than DET (typically by just under 100). Hilarious =/

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Originally Posted by Yona87

Ok i guess i pissed some people off, I was overreacting I know.
Aldo crit is just so good that I really want high crit gear as much as possible, and less crit on the new 2.4 poetic gear kinda threw me off thats all.

I will keep working on it...

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I raid end game as scholar, and one thing i have learned is dont put too much emphasis on that crit adlo. Its nice when it happens, but your healing style should be such that a crit is never needed. As others have said, soldery gear was tuned for sch>whm in terms of prefered secondary stats, but if you arent end game raiding, BiS actually means very little. Mind>nearly everything else on gear. Higher ilvl gear means more defense.

Well, I never gave attention for critical hit rate. Seems lottery. I still need do more 3 books, but after this I intend to put piety, determination and spell speed in Novus.

Anyway, I never did Coil and probably never will do. Then I do not undersstand about this need to crit.

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Originally Posted by Zefiris

Well, I never gave attention for critical hit rate. Seems lottery. I still need do more 3 books, but after this I intend to put piety, determination and spell speed in Novus.

Anyway, I never did Coil and probably never will do. Then I do not undersstand about this need to crit.

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Slightly off-topic, but do yourself a favor and ditch the spell speed idea on your Novus. Crit will serve you much, much better.

You don't need to be running end game to appreciate the value of a higher chance to land crit shields, not to mention how crit impacts out off- DPS compared to spell speed.

as an endgame raider sch from day1 2.0, Crit is a nice bonus, but I rarely use ADLO. Piety is more consistent and scales with my aetherflow. Lets me cover mistakes (various resses) without having to worry about my MPs

I was happy, with second coil, that I would get all my items faster becoz I just had to drop them (just the hat, never dropped)

It's a good thing for coil farmers, bad thing for the others.

Now I'm not doing Final Coil yet, but I'm WHM anyway.

I still appreciate crit on T13, getting that crit adloq in means I can switch back to DPSing a GCD earlier for the most part.

The only pieces where this matters are the legs, which are:

Ironworks - 34 DET, 33 SPS
Dreadwyrm - 33 CRIT, 36 PIE

A 1:1 trade on DET to CRIT is a bad idea.

Lol, nooooo, I like crit cause when i crit an adlo I can dps more, but its not really necessary, i love more spell speed or determitation why i would want to crit 1400 on a adlo when u can normally hit 1100 adlo with more det? (its an example) learn to micro manage selene and eos, believe me, u dont want selene in auto, crit is not that important

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Originally Posted by AldoVonAlexandros

Lol, nooooo, I like crit cause when i crit an adlo I can dps more, but its not really necessary, i love more spell speed or determitation why i would want to crit 1400 on a adlo when u can normally hit 1100 adlo with more det? (its an example) learn to micro manage selene and eos, believe me, u dont want selene in auto, crit is not that important

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DET yes, Spell Speed no.

If SCHs didn't have shields attached to their heals, crit would probably rank just above spell speed at the bottom of the pile in terms of usefulness, but that's not the case.

You can heal perfectly fine with only poetics gear, if a little less optimized.

If you can't join a raid group the small loss to optimization is a non-issue. If your healing is strong enough to comfortably handle ramuh/shiva you're essentially done.

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Originally Posted by Yona87

Ok, so I finally reached ilvl 100 on my SCH (I am new to game), but i have noticed that most of the new ilvl 120+ crit gear is from the final coil?

So basically, you can almost get BIS from just farming poetics on a WHM, but for a SCH, you have to be able to clear Final coil to get BiS?

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So your complaint is that you don't like how we have to clear the hardest content in the game to get the best gear in the game?

His comlaint is that WHM gets BIS without raiding while SCH does not.
Did you read what you just quoted (last sentence)? ^^

But you are right anyway, so OP please be happy you even get comparable gear without raiding.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

His comlaint is that WHM gets BIS without raiding while SCH does not.
Did you read what you just quoted (last sentence)? ^^

But you are right anyway, so OP please be happy you even get comparable gear without raiding.

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I see what he said but neither healer get bis without raiding so I was a bit confused.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

So your complaint is that you don't like how we have to clear the hardest content in the game to get the best gear in the game which isn't even needed outside the hardest content in the game?

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

I raid end game as scholar, and one thing i have learned is dont put too much emphasis on that crit adlo. Its nice when it happens, but your healing style should be such that a crit is never needed....but if you arent end game raiding, BiS actually means very little. Mind>nearly everything else on gear. Higher ilvl gear means more defense.

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So much truth. Also, you cannot get BiS without Raiding even for WHM. The Poetic gear you're talking about is i120. It is not the i130. In order to get the i130 you must clear T12+ to get the item to "augment" it to i130. It is not the same. This is just the same thing it was when SCoB came out. You needed to get the Oil of Time and Sand of Time to get i100 gear to i110.

As others have said, if you're not doing FCoB, why do you even care about BiS. You'll never get it if you're not doing Coil. The gear you get from Raiding, is for Raiding.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I see what he said but neither healer get bis without raiding so I was a bit confused.

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Exactly. With the new Poetics healer gear, three of the six pieces (main body left side) are best suited for WHM and three for SCH. So, I don't really see a problem.

Did ya ever think....maybe....that you don't even need to get rid of your old crit gear? I mean, if dps don't even need much from this patch to meet t10-13 dps checks , what on earth is a healer freaking out for? Anyways, official forum ftw....

I assume ur at t10+ since you're having such a freakout? Just farm coil every week?

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Originally Posted by Noll

as an endgame raider sch from day1 2.0, Crit is a nice bonus, but I rarely use ADLO. Piety is more consistent and scales with my aetherflow. Lets me cover mistakes (various resses) without having to worry about my MPs

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If you dont mind me asking, I'm curious what your gear and bonus stat points look like. Ive always wanted to toy around with piety on sch.

I heal as both a WHM and SCH. Last patch with the i110 and coil gear/accy was better for sch. This patch swings to whm and it is noticable. I am working on farming up gear for both that works with their stats keeping in mind that ilvl matters. You can do the new poetic gear and go very heavy on crit accys for sch. This has been working for me. My whm has a different gear selection. In the end they are about 1 ilvl apart and heal very well. Takes time and a lot of farming to get the right mix of whm and sch gear.
As for dropping sch, I wouldn't do that. In raids, I really like the whm/sch mix more than two of the same. If you do both and keep them current you can be more flexible in parties.