Gil buyers

I can't be 100% sure, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that certain people on my server are not buying gil. While on the market boards I will see the same person buy 12+ Ehcathl Sealants at 339,000gil a piece and then turn around and buy the new crafted rogue/ninja gear for 4mil a piece (2 or 3 pieces bought) So, that's roughly....

4,068,000 sealants
+12,000,000 arachne gear of Scouting
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=16,068,000gil spent in less than 3-4 days. (lord know what else they've bought, I'm not exactly tracking them, just notice their names in the history ALOT)

Either these guys are very good at farming money or playing the market or they are buying gil en masse. I cant prove or disprove it, but it does seem fishy.

I spent 20 million in 2 days (mostly on sealants). I make my own gil. It's not impossible with high level crafting. That person most likely crafted 3 and 4 star furniture. Sealants are easy money even for low level crafters. There ought to be a lot of money swishing around. And lots of people, like myself, came into 2.4 with a good amount of gil on hand for the inevitable outlays.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

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Playing the market most likely.
On Hyperion, The Arachne stuff for Ninjas was heading steadily for the 1.5 million mark, then suddenly they were all reposted at 3 million~ each.

Crafters and 'Players' are pricing normal people out of the Markets.
Its funny watching that Demand number get higher and higher and the Items in Demand just stagnate on the boards because people demand far more than the item is worth. Especially as that stuff is virtually vanity.
It's a choice between buying a HOUSE and buying a vanity shirt for ONE job.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Crafters and 'Players' are pricing normal people out of the Markets.

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I agree with this, even if I did have millions of gil on me, I wouldnt buy a single item (or a house) for over a million. No matter how cool that item is right now, I know in 6 weeks it will be half that price or less :P
I have always hated the way XIV's market works anyways. With people able to see the prices of their competitors its very much a sellers market, buyers must either pay insane amounts of money or wait for the sellers to battle it out in undercut hell before they can afford something.
I personally wait for the new hotness to become old news before I buy anything purely because I don't want to support the greedy and ludicrous seller(s) :P

So... the thread is about... people have 16 mil they must be a gil buyer?

A friend of mine spent 100 milish on his personal house, I know he never bought gil, just made a lot crafting. I'm pretty sure he spent 20-30 mil more on sealants recently, some people just enjoy playing mostly to grind out money. It doesn't mean they buy gil.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

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Yeah, these days i don't buy ANYTHING from the markets except Prisms. I glance at the things i want to see if the prices are becoming reasonable, or to Try On the new stuff but thats about it.
Hell, I didn't even bother picking up the Vanya Robes till 2.3.

Well, it's hard to tell who buys gil, but one thing is certain; There definitely ARE people who buy gil/gold, and they're either numerous or they buy a LOT, or goldspam and bots would have died out years ago.

Is RMT a perma ban first time offense? If not, then maybe they should to further discourage it.

Who's to tell who does and who doesn't One thing is a fact, RMT is a serious business and they make tons and tons of money on pathetic people who need some unfair advantage above others.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

Is RMT a perma ban first time offense? If not, then maybe they should to further discourage it.

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Perma bans are only handed out to Gil Sellers/Gil Seller affiliates (Their bots, their shouters, etc.). If you read the ban notices SE puts out around every month the amount of people who are banned for what is presumably gil buying (Participation in RMT activities) is not only incredibly tiny, but it's also only a temporary ban.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

So... the thread is about... people have 16 mil they must be a gil buyer?

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Pretty much. The have not can't believe anyone could make a million without cheating.

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Originally Posted by TimGoodacre

I spent 20 million in 2 days (mostly on sealants). I make my own gil. It's not impossible with high level crafting. That person most likely crafted 3 and 4 star furniture. Sealants are easy money even for low level crafters. There ought to be a lot of money swishing around. And lots of people, like myself, came into 2.4 with a good amount of gil on hand for the inevitable outlays.

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What this guy said. Also I made a buttload of gil on sealants. Used a few for some offhands then sold the rest. They sell/sold for between 400k-300k each on my server. Once the prices crash or dip below 200k or even maybe before that I'll keep them for my omi-gear set for four star crafting.

I know my friend swiftly made 10mil at the start of 2.4. The early release of crafting information made it easy.

10mil gil isn't worth much in this game any more. There's been massive inflation since launch that is showing no signs of stopping. Things are more expensive now in ARR than they were in 1.0, and gil was divided by 10 during the switchover.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Crafters and 'Players' are pricing normal people out of the Markets.
Its funny watching that Demand number get higher and higher and the Items in Demand just stagnate on the boards because people demand far more than the item is worth. Especially as that stuff is virtually vanity.

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The sum total of an item's worth isn't just the base material cost. Getting to even three star crafting requires a huge investment of time and/or gil, much less four star. Having the materials doesn't do you much good if all you can do is bang them together. So, people that don't have that level of crafting can either try to farm the materials themselves and find someone willing to put the items together, or they can buy the items.

Basically, the worth of an item is what someone is willing to pay for it.

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It's a choice between buying a HOUSE and buying a vanity shirt for ONE job.

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Some people are just really into vanity, given that these items actually are selling. *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

So... the thread is about... people have 16 mil they must be a gil buyer?

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People have a medium or Large House. They CLEARLY must be a gil buyer. Even thought the only proof I have is an ancedote about then having something I could never usually afford

Yes that was sarcasm

It truly isn't that hard now, especially if you people to help you. You can farm t4 for allagan mats and those sell for 200-300 k gil each and sell really fast in an hr you could have 3 mil worth of mats

I resently found a way to make 400k-1m gil in 2-3 hours. So ya 12m in a weekend would be very easy.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

4,068,000 sealants
+12,000,000 arachne gear of Scouting
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=16,068,000gil spent in less than 3-4 days.

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completely normal, if you can earn more than 2kk/week as which you can, 16kk is not that big deal

I went AFK in May and was back to check my FC during the Free weekend. By the time I left the game I had 52mio Gil (never buy or sell) and the top dog in my server had 160mio. During this weekend I found my old market competator is still top in crafting and selling 4 stars HQ gears for 4mio to 13mio a piece. I won't be suprise to know he's over 300mio now. OP you got to know the world better, lol.

Sealants should have been your first indicator that this person is a 3 Star+ Crafter.

This kind of people have a lot of gil.
Getting to 4 star costs a lot of gil.

A rough estimate of what I had to spend to get to 4 Star crafting a few days ago netted me around 15m investment. DoL is probably a bit higher (18m?). Doing both is well within the realms of my possibilities, and I have never or will ever buy gil.

Numbers seem accurate. The likehood of said person being a Gil buyer (Specially one spending so much) is slim.

It's bot driven and Gil buying which killed the market and players taking advantage of that.

Guy buys Gil to purchase a crafter item that is set at 3.5mil

A regular person would be tired after farming 1000 crystals I got bored at 800 and did something else.

While a bot farms up 10,000 crystals and keeps farming get real.

They make money most will say hey I farm and im legit but bet you anything later down the road when the game gets old those very same people are going to end up on the ban list.

6 sealants 340k just over 2 mil if you buy other mats to make new crafting off-hands say total 2.5m get an hq sell for 5mil + now buy 12 sealants make 2 off-hands make 10 mil ... plus the new gatherer's gear, crafters hands,legs,feet, all the crafters tier 2 .. 4 star new recipe items... gil is easy to make if you took the time or have been around long enough to have leveled gatherer's and crafters....

as for RMT and money transfers... just look at all their /tells and spam messages they send the gil to you through the mail... its not hard to figure out who to ban and who is buying gil and i hope they all get banned for it!!! someone transfers 5-20 million through the mail its not hard to put 2 and 2 together LMAO

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Originally Posted by Vespar

... I will see the same person buy 12+ Ehcathl Sealants at 339,000gil a piece and then turn around and buy the new crafted rogue/ninja gear for 4mil a piece (2 or 3 pieces bought) ....

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IMO the gil spent for sealants was not really odd... same thing happens on det/cri material4 for novus very often. ^^;
But I think most 3star crafters will only use self-crafted gear...

16 mil isn't a strange number. I'm not a big crafter but do the occasional crafting and selling. You can easily, very easily make 150K a day with normal crafts. You can imagine how the real crafters do business.. Selling runs is even faster gil.

However, OP has a point. Sometimes you just know people buy gil. Unfortunately there are lots of them and SE will not permaban them. They can just scan everyone's gil (just like they did to come up with housing prices) and investigate the suspicious activities. If they have to ban 20 people every month, well, that's not worth the subsription loss for them. Sounds harsh, but it's all about the Benjamins.

Okay, making gil as crafter is easy. But what about people who don't have ANY crafting or gathering classes leveled, or even unlocked and still buy things worth 10m+?
Don't tell me they earned it legitly.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Okay, making gil as crafter is easy. But what about people who don't have ANY crafting or gathering classes leveled, or even unlocked and still buy things worth 10m+?
Don't tell me they earned it legitly.

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you don't need super awesome craft to earn gil, all you need is to be able to make some gear to yourself and earn gil from there (depend on what you are after)

What I try to say is you only need craft to lvl 50 to make your own item or if you absolute DON'T play craft, you can still earn gil but less because you have to buy the gear

And yes, I am telling you it is possible

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Okay, making gil as crafter is easy. But what about people who don't have ANY crafting or gathering classes leveled, or even unlocked and still buy things worth 10m+?
Don't tell me they earned it legitly.

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Price of Acc+ and Crit+ IV Materia, for example, as well as Coil mats are still high enough, on Excal at least, the last time I checked. All of which are just pure grind. Selling runs & drops might also be a way for them to earn Gil. Playing the market (buy low - sell high) as well....

Just saying that it's still very much possible. Thing to remember is, it's not like a big chunk of players is making that much or buying 10+ mil worth of items from the market. It's usually a handful of people who have no life have the time to spend on actively grinding Gil in ways that don't involve gathering or crafting.

Some of them could be Gil buyers, sure. Just no use pointing the finger at everyone who does better than the rest of us.

Heck, I was able to make nice earnings by buying furniture pre-patch for 1k-10k and selling for 100k-150k when the patch went live. Pair that with a few lucky 500-600k IV Materias.... And I was doing it just casually, cause lazy to get more invested in it.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Okay, making gil as crafter is easy. But what about people who don't have ANY crafting or gathering classes leveled, or even unlocked and still buy things worth 10m+?
Don't tell me they earned it legitly.

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And how do you know that the character isn't an alt? Plenty of people have maxed characters and start on a new one to pass the time, or have two different characters leveled up to work around the weekly lockout on new raids.

Check MB for items are sell by NPC, buy items from NPC, put it on MB.
Lazy buyers will buy your mats more expensive than the NPC.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Okay, making gil as crafter is easy. But what about people who don't have ANY crafting or gathering classes leveled, or even unlocked and still buy things worth 10m+?
Don't tell me they earned it legitly.

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There's ample of opportunity outside of crafting and gathering to earn gil and get rich fast in this game. Spiritbonding for starters can make you multiple millions per week with relative ease. Selling T9 runs may make you up to around 3 million per run. And since the introduction of 2.4 some players have made well over 20 million gil per person by selling T9 runs.

Ventures are an easy way to make supplemental gil while doing other things. I hate mining for shards, but with the level my retainer's at I can have her get 60 shards in 40 or 50 min, I forget which, and that's more than enough to keep me in stock since I don't craft constantly. My DoW retainer does the Quick Venure gamble, but I've also had him get snurble tufts and such when I saw the market was right for selling them. Some Quick Venture things are instant discards, but I got a Tonberry chandelier which I sold for several hundred thousand gil. It's not hard to make gil, and what's considered 'a lot' is a matter of perspective.

I have a small house and am satisfied with that, but I know plenty of players with med and large houses and not one of them is selfish or greedy, or buys gil. The way I see it, players who have a net worth of 50 mil gil + earned it doing things I chose not to do, that's not unfair at all it's a matter of choice.

What I don't think you take into account is that some people play the game for different reasons. Some want to be the best raider/geared character they can be, some want to have all crafts leveled to max and make millions. Some just like to gather. It's so easy to make money in this game with crafting and gathering that I'm sure there are people with huge sums of gil. While you're out grinding dungeons coming back and putting that coke you just got up for 3k gil, they're buying that 3k coke and making something with it, then selling the finished product for more than 3k profit. I stopped raiding in 2.4 and am concentrating on crafting/gathering, there is plenty of money to be made.

I've personally given away about 15 mil in sealants away to a friend of mine.

I think you are underestimating how easy it is for some people to make gil. I made my first 10 mil from SB and selling off anything not a Might IV or Aim IV. Hundreds of crafting/gathering materia at 20k, and the occasional IV at 100-200k. At one point, I was selling barding that took about 20k to make (after becoming a 3 star crafter) for about 160k a pop. Not to mention, the stuff that I didn't sell for crafting progression, which included 110 Fieldcraft 3s farmed in 3 weeks while they still sold for 180-200k a piece, 26 mastercraft demis, shards/finish mats, Aim IVs/Might IVs and materia needed for all my DoH/DoL. And all this stuff was gathered while playing casually as a full-time student. If I can raise around 30mil+ while playing in 1-2hours scattered throughout the day, someone with more time could easily go above and beyond that. And it's not just high value items, some people are dedicated enough to fill out each retainer slot daily with something that will sell over night for 5-20k. It really starts to add up in the long haul. You just have to know what to do and be able to get to it before everyone catches on.

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Originally Posted by BillyBones

Okay, making gil as crafter is easy. But what about people who don't have ANY crafting or gathering classes leveled, or even unlocked and still buy things worth 10m+?
Don't tell me they earned it legitly.

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I rarely craft for profit anymore and have made 25mil+ through other methods (mostly selling coil clears). I bought 10mil worth of materia before the 2.4 update.