fate's for relic books

It's got really depressing now for relic books most of the fates barely pop and it's terrible SE should add a timerror to the fates on when they going pop up. I've waited 12 hours on 1 fate and no show on it another was almost 20 hours and no show this is bad please fix it SE

Yeah book fates have always been a nightmare, and chances of book fates being gone if you d'ont camp them is high because of the insane amount of Ninjas leveling up.
Not very well planned out indeed.

Spent 2 hours waiting for Seps last night, and so far today another hour and a half. Seen Svara pop up 2 or 3 times now. I thought they said they were increasing the frequency of these damn fates. It's pretty absurd that people are having to spend their time for fates like these doing nothing but waiting, because of how fast they get burned down. The time I've sat and done nothing but wait today alone, my fiance was able to finish her main scenario, trial AND low level roulettes, as well as her Ixal dailies.

When I did Seps I killed about 10 dragonflies and it popped, not sure if this is a coincidence or not but Reddit suggested that is what to do. Keep in mind as well some of the fates are 2 part fates so if yours doesn't pop (Enmity of my Enemy, Breaching the Tidegate are 2 that come to mind) make sure you are clearing fates in the area.

Regarding Seps: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2000360

Also, I feel that FATEs need to pop based on demand - I am sure it was worse pre-2.4 but to get to the FATE you need, get as much enmity/actions/whatever in and end up with silver is a bit non-sensical because that means casual players will have to do more waiting around and they know it won't pop soon.

Also WTF is this "clear other FATEs first if yours won't pop" BS??? Clearly there is a NEED for these FATES if SE put them in these damned books, but that excuse is laughable...

I feel that if they really have to make fates rarely appear, there must be a kind of forecast npc who will give you some kind of clue as to what hour the monsters are likely to appear. Just let you know if there's no activity any time soon.

With the latest patch and them increasing the drop rate I was really hoping they'd consider doing something about the animus book fates. The atma can drop lickety split now, but when we get the relic atma you are still stuck waiting for endless hours for the book fates. The soldiery grind doesn't bother me. The dungs, enemies, and leves don't bother me either. Fates really wouldn't bother me, but there's only so much sb crafting I can do while I wait 4 or something hours for one of those super rare fates to pop. It's either find something else to do like cleaning or Netflix, or sit and aimlessly watch and wait for hours on end for a single fate to pop up. Relic animus is pretty subpar now anyways with the ease of getting the weathered soldiery weapons that outclass animus by 10 levels, so why does this part of the relic quest still have to be such a time sink, SE?

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

...so why does this part of the relic quest still have to be such a time sink, SE?

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SE have said, they do not want players progressing too fast (too fast=before expan$$$ion!)

Lacking do two books, I gave up. Book of Diamonds is enough for me. Farm Unidentified Allagan Tomestone and Sands of Time is more fast than atma/books.

I am not looking forward to this aspect again. I just got my last bunch of Atmas last night to upgrade my Stardust Rod to begin the books. I don't mind the dungeons, enemies or leves, but I hated waiting for these fates when I did my scholar and white mage relics.

which fates are giving you trouble?
some do have pre req to spawn the next fate, some needs to be spawned via npc.

This is what I generally do

- que up the 3 dungeons (remember to click "in progress")
- teleport to all 3 fate zones to see if you can catch any, usually if no one is at the fate you only need less than 5 minutes to complete a fate
- http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Trials_of_the_Braves this site is awesome I use it to see which leves and fate pos I need and which leves I need in the future books. You can pre complete leves, just dont' accept the completion.
example: you are camping Seps, all your CCH leves/GC leves are at the near by town. You can hold up to 16 leves
- Order of your completion: Fates > Dungeon > 100 enemies > Leves, routine should be the follow: teleport to location of fates x3, if fate is up, go complete, none up? go kill 1 set of your enemies catagory, then repeat. Yes this is more gil spent, but I find this to be the most effecient way on this books, of course luck needs to be on your side

Hope this helps! GL!

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There's absolutely no reason the fates for the books should have 90m+ respawn timers, other than just to screw with the players and make them not want to play this content at all. What is the point of frustrating players? It only causes them to give up and leave so they can better spend their time on something enjoyable.

On top of the horrible timers, the data center is poorly managed and the odds of getting booted the hell off mid fate are higher than they should be. Further, you need gold rank to get a fate complete counted, and for several of the fates, this requirement means you are very likely not going to get it unless you are active enough to screw others out of their completion. Fates seemed like they were meant to be cooperative, so why have the become so competitive?

Overall, this aspect reeks of very poor game design. If you want the point of the game to be to have fun and enjoy your time here, get rid of the needless frustration at every step.

book fates appear all the time when not needed but when you need them it takes hrs to spawn, lol.
But yeah the bigger issue has been the influx of Ninjas running to every fate and killing them off so soon.
So if you get a fate done in one area, chances are by the time you get to your fate in the next area and its up it will be too late

I've now watched the Fate in which you escort a flame sergeant to Little Ala Mhigo pop up 9 times, still waiting on Taken to come up, other fates in the area have come up 3-4 times each as well.

Yeah it is really frustrating. I'm waiting on Everything's Better in E. Shroud and TWICE I've taken a quick break to use the bathroom and get a drink and come back and watched it end in like 20 seconds. The first time I was at the Sylph camp and by the time I raced there (keep in mind it JUST spawned) someone had AoE'd it to death.

The second time I was camped just near it in a safe area, got a drink and bio, and came back less than 1 minute into the FATE and someone already had it at 80%. The hell..

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Originally Posted by Maero

book fates appear all the time when not needed but when you need them it takes hrs to spawn, lol.
But yeah the bigger issue has been the influx of Ninjas running to every fate and killing them off so soon.
So if you get a fate done in one area, chances are by the time you get to your fate in the next area and its up it will be too late

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Agree with that,

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Originally Posted by NationOfZealots

SE have said, they do not want players progressing too fast (too fast=before expan$$$ion!)

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Then they should provide more timesinks that involve actually doing something. Of course, some people may still complain if they're really long timesinks, but it's certainly better than timesinks of standing around waiting. Waiting is the most frustrating of all timesinks.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

I've now watched the Fate in which you escort a flame sergeant to Little Ala Mhigo pop up 9 times, still waiting on Taken to come up, other fates in the area have come up 3-4 times each as well.

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This is where I turn my nose up at the response "clear other FATEs in the area first" because you see the same FATE 4 or 5 times and yours still wont pop.

"Taken" seems to be bugged but who the hell knows if it is intended or not. 50 minutes+ so far, and this was after I took care of Archers/Drakes for the atma book also.

Also, on the topic of Atma books, why are none of these FATEs able to be started from an NPC like a lot of others are? This would fix this waiting around for nothing business, involve a couple more steps even just to not make it so easy.... but it is rather silly that I have finished all other book content and can't progress because we have to wait around for nothing...

The system doesn't work -- they stated when they made this game that they were going to try to aim this at both the casual and the hardcore crowd.

THERE IS NOTHING CASUAL ABOUT SITTING IN ONE SPOT FOR 12 HOURS, HOPING ON A SPAWN! This is Final Fantasy XI Notorious Monster camping all over again!

We have to do this then for 2 more FATEs, then how many more books? All for just ONE upgrade?

The rest of the quest is fine, but this isn't fun or worth the effort.

At this point, it would probably be easier for me to do Coil of Bahamut and get a Wyrm Weapon.

I wish SE would put these FATEs on a separate timer and it make it more common -- around 15 - 30 minutes or so.

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Originally Posted by Damanexor

I wish SE would put these FATEs on a separate timer and it make it more common -- around 15 - 30 minutes or so.

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This would be the best solution. I would also like for these fates to be player activated rather than spawning instantly like most are. It would help people call out that they are ready and keep them from tragically timing out because no one needed them at the time.

They cannot be player-activated without heavy restrictions that defeat the purpose. Otherwise, what is to stop someone from activating their FATE, then standing back and letting other players finish it (without being in their party) to reap the rewards?
It would be better if FATEs were simply not a part of the equation at all. Perhaps unique book-activated levequests with no inherent reward or something instead.

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Originally Posted by Verlyn

what is to stop someone from activating their FATE, then standing back and letting other players finish it (without being in their party) to reap the rewards?

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Because simply activating the fate does not count as participation, you have to tag at least one thing before you are credited for it. Am I not getting what you're trying to say here?

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Originally Posted by Verlyn

It would be better if FATEs were simply not a part of the equation at all.

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Agreed. There is no reason to keep this books being this much of a struggle when both Alex and Light parts of the relic chain are both being made easier.

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Originally Posted by Delta041

Because simply activating the fate does not count as participation, you have to tag at least one thing before you are credited for it. Am I not getting what you're trying to say here?

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And then what happens if they don't get credit or don't get gold? They need to be able to activate it again so they can complete their book. So they let other people get credit. Free exp, gil and seals for all.
But then we just impose restrictions to prevent them from doing that. But if they cannot simply activate it again, then we're back at square one: Waiting for the rare FATE to spawn. Not to mention, players would easily figure out the hotspots and just camp them, waiting for someone with a book (or better--a party doing the same book!) to each activate their FATEs in succession and reap tons of rewards.

It'd be kind of a mess.

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Originally Posted by Verlyn

what is to stop someone from activating their FATE, then standing back and letting other players finish it (without being in their party) to reap the rewards?
It would be better if FATEs were simply not a part of the equation at all. Perhaps unique book-activated levequests with no inherent reward or something instead.

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FATE failure. Depending on the numbers waiting, if ever I get hate, I do not mind slowing myself so people can at least have a chance of getting gold, even if they do what yu mention, it srsly does not take more effort than summoning a choco if it is just two people. Seeing someone get hate then afk, while it has happened, is the least of concern, as of 2.4 the main concern is over-zealous players who will zerg a FATE as quickly as possible and when there are a LOT of people waiting (due to the poor "wait" design) this compounds the matter because those who could not get gold have to wait until the next FATE pop and the problem accumulates

tl;dr no use being skeptical atm as SE have said 2.5 will separate the mechanics of book FATEs and regular ones

Me personally, I can just fish, mine, or harvest untill a fate spawns >.> Ya know, cause I actually have more stuff to do with my time than battle for no reason.

Pluss while I'm waiting and Gathering I can have my dungeon timer cued so I can do the dungeons. There are always things to do while you wait. Heck a nice chat with your FC can occur while you wait.

I'm also one of the ocational minority that just likes to sit and listen to the BGM in some locations. (Most in my case)

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Originally Posted by NationOfZealots

FATE failure. Depending on the numbers waiting, if ever I get hate, I do not mind slowing myself so people can at least have a chance of getting gold, even if they do what yu mention, it srsly does not take more effort than summoning a choco if it is just two people. Seeing someone get hate then afk, while it has happened, is the least of concern, as of 2.4 the main concern is over-zealous players who will zerg a FATE as quickly as possible and when there are a LOT of people waiting (due to the poor "wait" design) this compounds the matter because those who could not get gold have to wait until the next FATE pop and the problem accumulates

tl;dr no use being skeptical atm as SE have said 2.5 will separate the mechanics of book FATEs and regular ones

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The problem isn't getting gold. The problem is not getting gold and what that means for re-activating the FATE. People would abuse that to get other people free exp or seals or whatever by activating FATEs back-to-back and then failing them.
Please reread what I said in my above posts before you respond, because I am absolutely not interested in arguing in a circle.

FATEs just aren't designed for this process.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Me personally, I can just fish, mine, or harvest untill a fate spawns >.> Ya know, cause I actually have more stuff to do with my time than battle for no reason.

Pluss while I'm waiting and Gathering I can have my dungeon timer cued so I can do the dungeons. There are always things to do while you wait. Heck a nice chat with your FC can occur while you wait.

I'm also one of the ocational minority that just likes to sit and listen to the BGM in some locations. (Most in my case)

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I can find other things to do too. However, the game shouldn't be encouraging me not to play it to progress.
Therein lies the problem.

I really don't see any uniquely Relic related inconveneance my self. When it comes to fates, be it spawn rates or atma drops, they are compleatly governed by the mighty RNGesus and it's ever preasent calculations. Cue times for dungeons are no more inconveniant for relic quests as they are for any thing else I try to DF as a DPS. Leves are boaring, Mob hunting is tedious, and all of this is simply something we as MMO players accept as part of the game or let it ruin the experience by not accepting it then bitching about it on the forums.

In less than 24 hours from now every thing Pre-Nexus relic will be obscianly nerfed to the point that every one should be able to have at least one Zodiac Weapon before Heavensward is realeased. So there's really nothing to bitch about. Unless every thing is level 50 with maxed gear, you already have a privet mansion, and you're pacing around Mor'dohna waiting for new content then there should be pleanty to do for things to not get boaring and tedious.

Let me spell out the best solution for when the grind is feeling to long. Ready? Take a brake and do something else. Level/gear an alt class, do some crafting/gathering, or maybe even log out for a bit to make sure your friends, family, and pets are still alive. Best part of being in an MMORPG is that you have TWO worlds to get entertainment out of, the RW and the VW. Most people only get that first one.