Ninja DoT/Debuff Icon Visuals and Colors

As a ninja, you have to constantly watch for a couple of debuffs and dots being applied to enemies: mutilate, dancing edge, and Shadow Fang.

The problem is, these 3 icons all look alike. They all have similar shapes (the silhouette) and color schemes. This makes it very hard to distinguish one another when they're under the status bar of an enemy.

Hope something can be done to make them more distinct and easily recognizable.

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One is yellow and green
One is purple and blue
One is blue and orange

They're still hard to distinguish regardless once the icons are converted to the tiny status bar size. I don't have any issues with other classes. There's just something about these 3 icons that make them blend together.

mutilate and dancing blade look similar, having similar color schemes at a glance, but shadow fang is completely different.
That said if you wanna talk icons, i'd like something a little more unique for trick attack's debuff :P

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Originally Posted by Zish

wut

One is yellow and green
One is purple and blue
One is blue and orange

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Now we just need a blue and green DoT:p

Also Mutilate is ORANGE and green

I don't have trouble with it, but then i don't go off the colors.
Mutilate runs left, Dancing Edge runs right and Shadow Fang is jumping.

In the beginning I think you will go cross eyed seeing which enfeebs is up and which one is down. When you start playing the job more, it will be easier to pick up your Huton, jutsu, kassatsu, TA, etc. I recommend you play around with your HUD. Moving your target bar, hot bars, and status bar greatly helped me in this.

Another good thing that I saw on reddit was a ninjutsu macro, no not macro'ing in your mudras, but something like /wait19; /echo (soundeffect) Ninjutsu timer is up

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Faleva

In the beginning I think you will go cross eyed seeing which enfeebs is up and which one is down. When you start playing the job more, it will be easier to pick up your Huton, jutsu, kassatsu, TA, etc. I recommend you play around with your HUD. Moving your target bar, hot bars, and status bar greatly helped me in this.

Another good thing that I saw on reddit was a ninjutsu macro, no not macro'ing in your mudras, but something like /wait19; /echo (soundeffect) Ninjutsu timer is up

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Well, to be fair, macroing your Mudra's isn't such a bad idea. Using the /wait1 command will allow people who have trouble remembering the combos to set up mudra combos for the things they need. If you have a modicum of latency though, it breaks the macro regularly lol.

I don't mind so much the colors...

But they need to let us separate out our Debuffs from Allies' Debuffs in the UI.

I know last patch they let us unlink the Buff/Debuff pane...

But it'd be incredible to splice Debuffs into those two categories.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

All of your debuffs have a green countdown instead of white.

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I know.

You can't reposition or resize yours without also doing so to Allies'.

And despite that, it can still be pretty distracting having yours positioned directly in-line with Allies'.

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Originally Posted by Zish

wut

One is yellow and green
One is purple and blue
One is blue and orange

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You do realize, people who may be colourblind may not be able to distinguish the colours well.

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Originally Posted by Toodles

I don't mind so much the colors...

But they need to let us separate out our Debuffs from Allies' Debuffs in the UI.

I know last patch they let us unlink the Buff/Debuff pane...

But it'd be incredible to splice Debuffs into those two categories.

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All of your debuffs have a green countdown instead of white.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

All of your debuffs have a green countdown instead of white.

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And from my experience they seem be on the far left, before allies's debuffs (and maybe the mobs own buffs)

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Originally Posted by Nutz

All of your debuffs have a green countdown instead of white.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

And from my experience they seem be on the far left, before allies's debuffs (and maybe the mobs own buffs)

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It'd still be nice to be able to reposition or resize our own debuffs though. He's got a point.

In regards to the rogue and ninja debuff icons being hard to see, we've been gathering this and other feedback and will use it to consider making adjustments.

I was just about to make a post about this. I find it incredibly disorienting to try to keep track on 3 Damage over Time skills that look almost exactly the same to me.
Perhaps I do suffer from a bit of color blindness after all.

If you could change the colors or silhouettes so they do not look so similar would be great!

Wait! So people really cares about Dancing Edge?!... I... I thought I was only one using it...

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Originally Posted by Nutz

All of your debuffs have a green countdown instead of white.

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That shade of green could really use some tweaking, though. It's difficult to make out at a glance.

And yes, these three skills in particular could use some icon adjustment. SE, y'all need to hire some colorblind QA people.

Why are there apparently a million color blind people playing this game? I get color blind is a thing and I'm not saying we shouldn't have stuff in for them, but I have never seen a game with more people saying "You cannot have any color ever because of colorblind people!" Ignoring that the Rogue debuff icons are actually different visuals if you take the time to learn them, they have very different colors because that's just how things work in life. By default we make the bad guys have red HP bars and your allies Green or Blue, it's just a thing, it makes it easier to associate, but people are constantly calling out SE on things like this over colorblindness. Again, I get it, people are color blind, I'm not saying you shouldn't be or that it's your fault, I'm just curious why in any post like this it seems like ten color blind people are here saying they can't see anything of anything, I have NEVER seen this many people complain about it before in any game, even WoW back at it's peek when it had more then five times the subs..

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Originally Posted by Adrian74

Wait! So people really cares about Dancing Edge?!... I... I thought I was only one using it...

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You and me both. That 10% slashing resistance drop on enemies is too good...too bad it's hard to tell whether it's on sometimes, especially in ST.

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Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

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Answer to that is simple, while there might not be as many subscribers in ff14 as there is in something like wow, because of the name behind it, the simple to learn control scheme, and the proliferation of cheap midtier pcs and online enabled consoles, I wouldn't be surprised if the % of people who play ff14 who haven't played another mmo before is higher than any mmo since ultima online

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Originally Posted by WhiteDragon

but people are constantly calling out SE on things like this over colorblindness.

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Constantly? Here's the list I remember:
-Enmity list back in beta, when the dots for different aggro levels were all the same shape
-AOE indicators*
-Garuda sisters
-Debuff timer number*
-These ROG/NIN debuff icons*

*These weren't/aren't even limited to colorblindness. Plenty of people with normal vision complained/complain about AOE indicators and the debuff timer being hard to distinguish.

That's not exactly an enormous list. Are there more instances you've got in mind?

Blizzard learned how to avoid the issue a long time ago. You don't hear about it as much because they do a better job of designing things so that colorblindness isn't an issue to begin with. And no one really notices. How often do you play a game and think "Man, I wish there were more things that were exactly the same except one was red and one was green?" It's really not that limiting a thing to keep in mind when designing things. The only way anyone ever notices is if it's not designed that way from the start, and then changed later.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

How often do you play a game and think "Man, I wish there were more things that were exactly the same except one was red and one was green?"

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That's how i feel with soe of the mobs here. On the one hand I was kinda spoiled by XII in that regard (except for the crocs, but only because they actually used all the palettes). On the other hand, the Snakes in Mor Dhona, Halatali and Hullbreaker have the exact same color scheme, despite one being in the desert, one being under a winter "wonder"land and one being on an island.

The mantises also have this issue, though I think at least 2 pallettes from XII were used, unlike the snakes. (Incendently, mantises are also on Hullbreaker)

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Originally Posted by Nutz

All of your debuffs have a green countdown instead of white.

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A very pale green that's indistinguishable from white unless you get up, walk over to the TV, and stand there squinting at it for a moment or two trying to make out whether that faintly greenish cast is the color of the number or just an effect of the surrounding colors bleeding into white. Those numbers are far too tiny for such a faint color change to qualify as a distinguishing mark. I wish they'd do something that's actually visible, like a thick dark border around our own debuffs or something.