Somehow I think SE is really not enforcing or even cares about their ToS. I'm still seeing RMT bots spamming even with the Friend Request and Bot Farmers that continues staying in the same place farming the same mobs and material 5days straight.
Reported them and what do you know. I'm still seeing them spamming to my other friends and FC members. As for the Bot Farmers. They keep coming back between Monday-Friday with their unresponsive acknowledgement of players around and attacking their own targets.
Also the Bot Farmers are so obvious to see that they are flooding the Market Board doing most of the Undercuts, thus destroying the market value meaning hard earn Gil is just a waste and hard thing to earn now with them selling unlimited 99stacks at the cheapest price.
The Bot farmers come in a party of 4 with all of their Chocobo out and split into 2 areas. You can literally see they are just farming straight by standing at the same location as if they are on Macros which are not.
RMT bots and Farmer Bots
Printable View
-
11-05-2014, 11:45 AMLunarCainRMT bots and Farmer Bots
-
11-05-2014, 11:49 AMCorfish
There's a few reasons for this.
A. They ban in waves, so its hard to notice bannings in the short-term.
B. They purposely let them run around for awhile in the hopes that they can track them to the main account that's dealing with them.
C. There are a lot of them, and they have to personally check to make sure they are bots, they can't just ban all of them based on a few reports. When they happens its a headache for everyone involved. -
11-05-2014, 12:29 PMToffeeCoffeeSorry these are incorrect assumptions. The same bots have been in the game for many months and no bans issued. Perhaps they are catching some who are blantantly teleport hacking for example but the current system is missing most who bot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corfish
-
11-05-2014, 01:33 PMDizzyDragonflyIf this is true why after 1 year of the exact same bot's farming basically the same locations day after day they are still farming, after a year of these supposed "Investigations" you would think they could track who it was.. or else they are the worst investigators on 2 legsQuote:
Originally Posted by Corfish
-
11-05-2014, 02:49 PMLunarCain
Makes me wonder why they can't trace their ISP or something....
-
11-05-2014, 02:50 PMCorfishI just know these are the "official" reasons I've seen/heard. I know on Siren it's honestly not that big of an issue, but I'm fairly certain Siren is smaller too, so I'm not sure just how bad it really is on the large servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee
-
11-05-2014, 03:32 PMHakuroDKIt's not a visible issue on Balmung, to my knowledge, and it's one of the largest servers. The only issue is chat spam, really, and usually there are only 1-2 bots spamming shouts, and once those get blacklisted, then it's usually pretty quiet. But then again, that's just my perception. Someone else may have severe problems instead. Or it could be that my server is nigh impossible to create new characters for. I dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corfish
-
11-05-2014, 03:47 PMKuwagamicheck the MB for elemental shards, grade 4 materias and demimaterias. Here you have usually where RMT hurt the game the most. You can check, there are 8 bots in Balmung who farm materias 100% of the time since the beta, mostly in south shroud or north shroud. When I was in balmung, I was often forming PK parties to get rid of them for the day and ruin their businessQuote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
-
11-05-2014, 03:49 PMHakuroDKMaybe I'm having a hard time understanding some of your terminology, but... you're from Cerberus, and PK (player-killing) isn't a thing in FFXIV. So... I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
-
11-05-2014, 03:56 PMKuwagamiI moved a week ago, I was on Balmung before that. and you can PK... sort of. You can include a player in AoEs and kill them that way. For RMT it's just that simple : wait for them to attack a mob, begin a trade, watch them die. PK in a game without wild PvP. you just have to form a party of 4/5 people to begin trades with all the bots at once and wait 3/4 minutes for them to dieQuote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
-
11-05-2014, 04:07 PMGralnaSE's lead investigator into the RMT/bot IssueQuote:
Originally Posted by DizzyDragonfly
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p....png?16e62dfv1 -
11-05-2014, 04:19 PMLunarCainThat Made Me Laugh and forsee how doom this Great MMO Will lose its TOS if this continues x.XQuote:
Originally Posted by Gralna
-
11-05-2014, 04:37 PMSilentSymphony
if you really want to know how bad it is, check [This] out.
I officially give up. -
11-05-2014, 07:27 PMLunarCain
SE...you have Disappoint me
-
11-05-2014, 09:48 PMAutumnLeaves
So found this in web: https://www.change.org/p/square-enix...e-farming-bots
-
11-05-2014, 10:26 PMLunarCainFinally someone started a Petition.Quote:
Originally Posted by AutumnLeaves
-
11-05-2014, 10:42 PMRescue78Go pay a visit to north shroud, there's a set of bots always camped by where the tree fate pops.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
-
11-05-2014, 10:45 PMSymbiantUnresponsive does not mean its a bot. I very rarely respond to anyone. Why? Because I could give two cruds about what they want. Everyone I talk to is in my fc / ls or my ts server. If someone attacks my mob once again I am not going to say anything I will just out pull them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarCain
Typically if you say something to someone pulling mobs you are farming they get butthurt and want to argue. So its not worth my time to argue since it is a game and I am not on it to fight w/ people.
Choco farming / lvlin is perfectly fine we do groups of 4 w/ four choco to spirit bind and we sometimes do two groups this way in Urths Gift.
So far the only valid thing I see is them sending tells / inviting people and possibly crashing the market... and even crashing the market is questionable because I have seen a lot of normal players undercut on purpose to crash a specific market. -
11-05-2014, 10:49 PMSymbiantThe problem is that some people get so infatuated w/ them that they can't stop trying to find them. This is also when some innocent people get blamed but, there are some very obvious botting like someone in the post said something about teleporting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corfish
I use to give a crud about it but, since I stopped giving a crud... my game time is far more enjoyable. I use to let this stuff consume me until finally I said screw it I'm not going to let this screw w/ my game time. -
11-05-2014, 10:51 PMSymbiantEven though I do not disagree w/ your tactic. You do realize that you can get banned for this post correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
-
11-05-2014, 10:53 PMStihllodeing
I'm not a fan of open world pvp, but if there was ever a reason.....boy oh boy would I have fun for a day with that :p
-
11-06-2014, 12:01 AMKuwagamiHeh how so ? I did not name shame them, and when I was getting rid of them, there were no problem with ToS as far as I know. A human player would have reacted at least by raising and coming back instead of staying dead in place for more than a week. Can't really say messing with a bot's programm is harassing another player, right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Symbiant
Anyway, I stopped that long ago, if I am to take a warning for it, then so be it, I have no regret about keeping the materia market safe from RMTs for a few days -
11-06-2014, 12:36 AMSadanaThe first rule of MPK is you don't talk about MPK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
-
11-06-2014, 06:16 AMLunarCain
MPK? o.o Whats that?
-
11-06-2014, 06:24 AMSadanaThe second rule of MPK is you don't... oh, fukkit... it's when you use mob aggro to take out another player.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarCain
-
11-06-2014, 06:24 AMAlukahIf GM's don't care about banning them why would they care about people letting bots die? They are just ignoring the bot issue as a whole, so grief them all you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadana
-
11-06-2014, 06:26 AMSadanaQuote:
Originally Posted by Alukah
I would love that this was true... but I readily believe GMs would giveth the proverbial smack-downeth on anyone found MPKing another player, even if it's a bot. :/ -
11-06-2014, 06:28 AMAlukahThey don't even act unless there's a report involved, and bots (or bot owners) wont send reports for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadana
-
11-06-2014, 06:32 AMSadanaActually, this could happen two ways... :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Alukah
1. Some innocent sees what you did thar and reports your ass.
2. We go full-on tin-foil hat and say that SE is behind-the-scenes condoning botting for the $$$ and subscriber numbers (marketers and shareholders find these numbers yummy); so, if the bots DO report this and SE does that whole "oh it's a real player!! /disingenuous", then you'd have the GM po-lice swinging the ban hammer in your direction. -
11-06-2014, 07:42 AMRavnoAs a boxer, a lot of people mistake me as bot and after a polite warning i report every time if they try again to MPK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alukah
Better be 100% sure it's a bot before doing MPK. -
11-06-2014, 08:52 AMLunarCain
Wait so you're telling me SE creates the bot?
-
11-06-2014, 12:58 PMAlukahWorry not, I don't harass suspicious people, only those I'm certain are bots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravno
-
11-06-2014, 02:08 PMSilentSymphony
There is already a thread about this, please take your efforts there so we can make a larger impact: Link
-
11-06-2014, 03:56 PMChiramuNot just RMT use bots. There is a website for FFXIV botting, you can google it and people could set their bot up and still sit at their computers so if a GM sends them a tell they could answer it, or stop their program and take manual control.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentSymphony
I assume this might be how they could do something like that anyway. The most common thing I would assume a GM would do to trick a bot is to spawn a node that is untouchable or unclickable, anyway a node that you can't get anything from or something like that.