remembering mudras?

I am sure I will suck at ninja but is there a way to remember the ninjatsu and put them in certian slot to remember?

Or Macroing ? how will macros work with it?

Ninjutsus are easy, all you have to do is avoid double tapping any one single mudra and simply get the last one correct.

e.g. Suiton can be Ten > Chi > Jin or Chi > Ten > Jin, order for the first two doesn't matter, last one does.

As far as I know, you can't macro ninjutsus, or if you can you would waste so much time that it isn't worth it. You can try turning your mudras into self macros to avoid double tapping though.

e.g. /ac Ten

This will lock the skill out of the action queue so you can mash it as much as you want without activating it twice and messing up your combo.

My personal recommendation is to line them up (on keyboard anyways, not sure with controller). Put your mudras on 1, 2, 3 or something similar (I have mine on ZXC and ninjutsu on V). Then you don't have to worry about which one is which, just think "Ok, 123 is this, 321 is that" etc.).

I use controller so probably will be difficult

321
123
12

Only ones you need to remember for single target.

I was thinking we will get 5 mudras lol that is a relief

Yes you can macro Mudra techniques:

Raiton:

/macroicon "Raiton"
/ac "Ten" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Chi" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>


Huton:

/macroicon "Huton"
/ac "Jin" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Chi" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ten" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ninjutsu" <me>


Suiton:

/macroicon "Suiton"
/ac "Ten" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Chi" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Jin" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>


Doton:

/macroicon "Doton"
/ac "Ten" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Jin" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Chi" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ninjutsu" <me>


Katon:

/macroicon "Katon"
/ac "Chi" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ten" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>


Hyoton:

/macroicon "Hyoton"
/ac "Ten" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Jin" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>


Fuma Shuriken:

/macroicon "Fuma Shuriken"
/ac "Ten" <me>
/wait 1
/ac "Ninjutsu" <t>

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Originally Posted by Skyl1n3

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For the love of god do not do this, mudras are on a 0.5sec cooldown, this is the same as advising people to put combos in macros with <wait.3> between them.

But as it was stated before, 3214 haste, 1234 SUTA, 124 single target nuke. After a while you get it down to muscle memory and you don't even think about the individual actions.

You can do any combination aslong as the final hand sign for the mudra is the one you want. Come up with placing them in an order on your hotbar/controller that works for you and like Cadwgan said, the rest is simply muscle memory after you spend an afternoon casting them.

EDIT: Also dont macro them its going to take you twice aslong to cast them opposed to manual input just for the sake of being lazy.

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Originally Posted by Cadwgan

For the love of god do not do this, mudras are on a 0.5sec cooldown, this is the same as advising people to put combos in macros with <wait.3> between them.

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Even if Macros were able to wait 0.5 I feel like it just goes against the nature of the class to use them

but idk, i kind of chant the mudra in my mind before doing the ability and that helps me. i think hyoton is the only one im not familiar with, but that's because i've never had to use it. i really get more tripped up trying to track dancing edge and dots while remembering which jutsu to use @____@

Using a game pad, you config X(ten) - Y(chi) - B(jin) and A to cast ninjitsu

Do you want Huton? B - Y - X and press A
Raiton? X - Y - A
Suiton? X - Y - B and press A to execute.
Doton? X - B - Y and press A
Hyoton? X - B and A
Katon? Y - X - A

It's like a fight game

Don't try to learn all the combinations. As you can see, less Huton and Katon, all the ninjitsu start with Ten, so learn 6 combs is more better than 12.

Katon is nice because the opener is Chi and his colour is orange.
I want fire? use the orange button and blue :D
I want a lightning? use the yellow button and orange.

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Originally Posted by Cadwgan

For the love of god do not do this, mudras are on a 0.5sec cooldown, this is the same as advising people to put combos in macros with <wait.3> between them.

But as it was stated before, 3214 haste, 1234 SUTA, 124 single target nuke. After a while you get it down to muscle memory and you don't even think about the individual actions.

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Actually, the reason this is done is to account for possible lag. Obviously the macro will still screw up for a crafting macro if you lagspike massively, but with a bit of latency issues a 2 seconds wait on touches/synthesis means you're gonna skip skills when you have latency issues.

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Originally Posted by Delorean

Even if Macros were able to wait 0.5 I feel like it just goes against the nature of the class to use them

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This. Either you're a ninja, or you're not. :mad:

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Originally Posted by aabe

Actually, the reason this is done is to account for possible lag.

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cant say ive ever seen anyone try to macro any type of rotation to be lagproof. trust me, i've played wow for like 7 years. the only people making rotation macros were making them to put their entire rotation on one button and were promptly laughed out of their respective class' forum. =\

i'm pretty sure the intent behind it is to failproof their ninjutsu, even though I could see how it could be used that way if you had a bad connection. but you're probably dealing with much bigger problems than mudra lag if you're trying to play with a connection that bad.

but long story short? macroing rotations is rarely optimal and almost as rarely reasonable in contrast to the drawback

i tried macros just to give it a try......and is a no-go , if u press the macro too soon u are screwed because u will avoid the 1 mudra and u wasted your CD and posible cast a spell u dont want to cast and 20s without huton will hurt your dps , u will need to waste next CD on it ...ect ect

learn to ninja or dont bother playing the job (on party) , we already have enough with drg not jumping (or doing it wrong ) and bards that dont even know what ballad means ....

I am using a controller as well, I placed the mudras on my 2nd crosshotbar right side. B (Ten) A (Chi) X (Jin), Y is Kassatsu, while Y in 1st crosshotbar is Ninjitsu, I found that this works better for me.
Once setup is more in remembering which direction to press the buttons and the final mudra for the Ninjitsu you want to use.

B > A is Raiton, go opposite is Katon
B > A > X is Suiton go opposite is Huton
X > B > A is Doton
A > X is Hyoton

I am only remembering the direction to press rather than what I have on the buttons, as this is faster and I do not have to look at the crosshotbar much.

is there a reasn do all that ninjutsu? I thought huton saiton and ration are the only once worth using? may b the fire AOE one on big pull. so 4 ninjutsu to remember which isn't so bad. doton might b in question since its a Dot move which always a dps increase. I still know nohing about nin so correct me if im wrong.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

is there a reasn do all that ninjutsu? I thought huton saiton and ration are the only once worth using? may b the fire AOE one on big pull. so 4 ninjutsu to remember which isn't so bad. doton might b in question since its a Dot move which always a dps increase. I still know nohing about nin so correct me if im wrong.

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There is no reason to use all since for single target the only one you use is Huton, Suiton and Raiton, Katon and Doton for AOE, Hyoton doesn't seems to have much use, I never actually use it in any dungeon lol. But still it's good to be able to remember them all in the off chance that you might actually need them.

ill prolly stick with huton saiton raiton and doton and figure out how to weave them in a rotation properly. I see this job as becoming hrder than mnk.

I just memorized all of the Ninjutsu's Mudra. Not exactly the names of what order, but the order of which I hit the Mudra to execute whatever Ninjutsu I'm trying to do.

On a controller it may be a bit harder, but to me, the best way to do it is just familiarize yourself with the order you execute them in, and as many have said, never double tap, or double whatever you'd do for the controller. UI delay and lag can easily ruin your Ninjutsu if you do.

/markingforfutureuse

kthanks!

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

This. Either you're a ninja, or you're not. :mad:

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lol, Ninja's been out for not even a week and you're already taking it to heart? xD

Also to those saying not to use those Macros, I don't use them either for reasons stated, but the OP was asking if they can be Macro'd, and they can, but not advisable.

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Originally Posted by Skyl1n3

lol, Ninja's been out for not even a week and you're already taking it to heart? xD

Also to those saying not to use those Macros, I don't use them either for reasons stated, but the OP was asking if they can be Macro'd, and they can, but not advisable.

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Very tongue-in-cheek. I don't care how other people play.

On Controller (Namely, Dualshock 4) I have mine set to L2+ D-Pad. Up is Ten, Right is Chi, Left is Jin, Down is Ninjutsu.
Left>Right>Up Huton
Left>Up>Right Suiton
Up>Right Raiton
Left>Up>Right Doton
Right>Up Katon
Down>Activate Jutsu

It takes practice, but the ninjutsus are really fun to use as well as they offer a lot of versatility. If I ever see myself doing T5, for example. Doton will be up 100% of the time during Dreadknight phase, on top of the point in which they spawn.

Katon is for mobile groups, Doton is for stationary groups (It's potency even as a DoT is lower than Raiton)

Keep up Huton during non-heavy AoE scenarios, Suiton when Trick Attack is off CD, Kassatsu into Raiton. If Huton is up and Trick Attack is not off CD, Raiton.

If you have a point coming up in which the party needs to pass a DPS check, save Suiton and just use Raiton instead (Such as Golem phase t9)

I have mine on L2+D-pad too, except I have my mudras placed in correspondence to their name. So for me lightning would Up+Down+Ninjutsu on the right (Lightning come from the heavens to the earth [up,down])

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Originally Posted by existingdark

On Controller (Namely, Dualshock 4) I have mine set to L2+ D-Pad. Up is Ten, Right is Chi, Left is Jin, Down is Ninjutsu.
Left>Right>Up Huton
Left>Up>Right Suiton
Up>Right Raiton
Left>Up>Right Doton
Right>Up Katon
Down>Activate Jutsu

It takes practice, but the ninjutsus are really fun to use as well as they offer a lot of versatility. If I ever see myself doing T5, for example. Doton will be up 100% of the time during Dreadknight phase, on top of the point in which they spawn.

Katon is for mobile groups, Doton is for stationary groups (It's potency even as a DoT is lower than Raiton)

If you have a point coming up in which the party needs to pass a DPS check, save Suiton and just use Raiton instead (Such as Golem phase t9)

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thats exactly what i did! it just made so much sense.

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Originally Posted by ShaolinMike

I have mine on L2+D-pad too, except I have my mudras placed in correspondence to their name. So for me lightning would Up+Down+Ninjutsu on the right (Lightning come from the heavens to the earth [up,down])

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I'm on PC and use a PS4 controller and mine are set to L2 + Buttons. Allows my thumb to be free to move my character and input Mudra at the same time. AKA Dodge and input.

The order you receive each Mudra is pretty much the easiest way to remember them.

Ten > Chi > Jin = Suiton;
Jin > Chi > Ten = Huton.
Ten > Chi = Raiton,
Ten > Jin = Hyoton
Ten > Jin > Chi = Doton

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

The order you receive each Mudra is pretty much the easiest way to remember them.

Ten > Chi > Jin = Suiton;
Jin > Chi > Ten = Huton.
Ten > Chi = Raiton,
Ten > Jin = Hyoton
Ten > Jin > Chi = Doton

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except you forgot one.
Chi>Ten= Katon

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

321
123
12

Only ones you need to remember for single target.

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That's exactly how I remember it. I just numbers instead of "Ten", "Chi" or whatever the hell. Got it pretty much down.

It's way easier to remember them than you'd think