New Hardmode Dungeon Quest Cutscenes

Hello,

Heads up to people.

Just got really upset tonight. I had a group of people who had already done the quests to run through the new hard modes with me. Not wanting to waste their time, I skipped the cutscenes. To my surprise they are NOT watchable later... Whats up with that? Custscenes that are not watchable later should come with a warning or something...

Hope they add them to the journal eventually...

There is a check box in the options, I think it is on "k" keybind on PC. But you can check and un-check to play previously watched cutscenes.

Just watch them anyway next time. It's the same 15 second flyover you get for any dungeon, so it's hardly a time-breaker.

If you want to watch them, go ahead. If you wind up vote-kicked, note their names and report away! Watching a cutscene isn't any of the criteria for being vote-kicked so it'd be an abuse of the mechanic, warranting GM action.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

If you want to watch them, go ahead. If you wind up vote-kicked, note their names and report away! Watching a cutscene isn't any of the criteria for being vote-kicked so it'd be an abuse of the mechanic, warranting GM action.

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Sadly, that is inaccurate. Groups can decide to kick people for watching cutscenes - that would be considered a "player dispute" and GMs would do nothing. GMs also don't lift a finger if people are kicked for being bad, going afk for 2 minutes, or because their gear isn't up to the rest of the party's expectations.

It is only considered vote kick abuse when the reason for kicking somebody is to harass them, as in, kicking them in front of the last boss out of spite to keep them from getting their dungeon clear, or kicking them before a treasure chest to cheat them out of their rightful chance at loot.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Sadly, that is inaccurate. Groups can decide to kick people for watching cutscenes - that would be considered a "player dispute" and GMs would do nothing. GMs also don't lift a finger if people are kicked for being bad, going afk for 2 minutes, or because their gear isn't up to the rest of the party's expectations.

It is only considered vote kick abuse when the reason for kicking somebody is to harass them, as in, kicking them in front of the last boss out of spite to keep them from getting their dungeon clear, or kicking them before a treasure chest to cheat them out of their rightful chance at loot.

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Vote kicking has the following options: Harassment, AFK, Offline, and cheating (i believe)
If it's not for one of those specified reasons, you can petition. If they had a problem with you watching cutscenes, then they should SAY something. If they votekick you, THEY are violating the rules since it's abuse of the votekick feature.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Vote kicking has the following options: Harassment, AFK, Offline, and cheating (i believe)
If it's not for one of those specified reasons, you can petition. If they had a problem with you watching cutscenes, then they should SAY something. If they votekick you, THEY are violating the rules since it's abuse of the votekick feature.

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That is what one would assume, but it is not how SE does things. Ask a GM. The options you are given to select when starting a vote to kick somebody are not the only options you are perfectly allowed to kick people for. I saw a specific case where a DRG was kicked for causing 2 wipes by being inexperienced in a fight in coil 1. The other tank started raging and initiated a kickvote; I pressed no, but the kickvote went through anyway. I wrote up a report detailing the situation and had a conversation with a GM via tickets. Kicking someone for being bad, badly geared, watching cutscenes etc. is not vote kick abuse.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Kicking someone for being bad, badly geared, watching cutscenes etc. is not vote kick abuse.

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this is up to GM discretion, and usually requires a judgement call since being offensively bad at something can qualify as harassment if there is no effort made to adjust the behavior.
But it all boils down to communication. If the group says "We're skipping cutscenes, please skip them too." then sitting and letting the scenes roll constitutes harassment.
It's all about communication and context.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

this is up to GM discretion, and usually requires a judgement call since being offensively bad at something can qualify as harassment if there is no effort made to adjust the behavior.
It's all about communication and context.

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See, the point is, it doesn't have to "qualify as harassment" to work as a valid reason to kick. Disagreement on gameplay choices is all it needs. If the "majority" of the group decides it's a speedrun, people who want a slow run can be kicked. If the majority decides it's a no cutscenes run, cutscene watchers can be kicked. If the majority decides it's a high item level run, lower geared players can be kicked. And the "majority" has, in the GM's eyes, made its decision when the votekick went through. Communication is not a requirement. I wish SE had clearer and stricter rules on what is and what isn't vote kick abuse, I'm just telling you what their current stance seems to be.

Majority rule is fine and dandy, but if someone is kicked without a word edge-wise then it's easily grounds for some GM reports. And while talking about it beforehand is great, I can count the times there have been discussions on the matter with one hand in all my dungeon runs. Tanks rush off thinking everyone is there for a speed run all the time, often to spectacular wipes on the first group of mobs. Did they say anything? Not hardly. In fact, only once, last week, did I ever see a tank give a warning for large pulls. Once. I was taken aback at the thoughtfulness of it. But, again, if you want to watch the cutscenes, go right ahead. Sure, you're not the only person running the dungeon, but the same can be said of everyone else in that dungeon. Don't want to wait a minute for everyone to be ready, then maybe should be playing a different game.

Vote-kicking topic apart, those cutscenes are the same you see in every dungeon, just a quick overview of the dungeon at the start and boss dying at the end, the only exception is when you enter the room with the Kraken at the end of Sastasha HM, the cutscene with Madison and the Kraken is a bit comical.

Thanks for the responses. I was not at risk of being kicked as it was a pre formed group of nice people, I just skipped because I didn't want to waste their time.

I'm not talking about dungeon flyovers, I'm talking about whatever happens to the sister and the twins after the Qarn HM quest. Dungeon flyovers I can see anytime, I know that.

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Originally Posted by Thig

Thanks for the responses. I was not at risk of being kicked as it was a pre formed group of nice people, I just skipped because I didn't want to waste their time.

I'm not talking about dungeon flyovers, I'm talking about whatever happens to the sister and the twins after the Qarn HM quest. Dungeon flyovers I can see anytime, I know that.

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This cutscene appears after you left the dungeon.
There is no reason to skip it.

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Originally Posted by Felis

This cutscene appears after you left the dungeon.
There is no reason to skip it.

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The reason is that the group was going to go through the other dungeons with me and I didn't want them to wait for me to start the new dungeon... Unimaginative, aren't we?

The cutscenes for dungeons are under the Dungeon Tab of the Journal.

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Originally Posted by dragonflie

The cutscenes for dungeons are under the Dungeon Tab of the Journal.

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That is not what I am talking about, please read the thread.

The cutscenes ARE in the journal, albeit hidden at that so I don't blame you. The cutscenes are hidden under the city state tabs. For example, the Tam Tara Hard cutscenes can be found under Ul'dah sidequests since the Corpse Groom questchain starts there. :)

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Originally Posted by Thig

That is not what I am talking about, please read the thread.

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You never specified which CS you were looking for. If it's the one that shows the dungeon overview and the boss death, they are viewable if you turn off the Cutscene skip and in the Journal.
If it's the Iceheart CS, then it would only be viewable in the Journal.

Also, I think that usually after a patch, people don't mind CS viewers since it's new content after all, so you didn't even had to skip it out of pressure.

You had no need to be rude.

All cutscenes are in the journal. Just have to look harder. $E kinda made the whole thing messy, check all tabs...

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Originally Posted by Riepah

That is what one would assume, but it is not how SE does things. Ask a GM. The options you are given to select when starting a vote to kick somebody are not the only options you are perfectly allowed to kick people for. I saw a specific case where a DRG was kicked for causing 2 wipes by being inexperienced in a fight in coil 1. The other tank started raging and initiated a kickvote; I pressed no, but the kickvote went through anyway. I wrote up a report detailing the situation and had a conversation with a GM via tickets. Kicking someone for being bad, badly geared, watching cutscenes etc. is not vote kick abuse.

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This is because you filed a report for something that happened to someone else, GM's will not take action on reports filled on behalf of someone else as I too experienced something simliar as I was running prae a few days ago and a new bard was being verbally abused for watching the cutscenes to the point he just ended up leaving, after the run I copy pasted my chat log and filed a report about the abuse only to be contacted by a GM who commended me for looking out for my fellow players but stated that unfortunately there was nothing he could do unless the abused player himself filed a report. The only advice he game me was to tell the player to file a report, which did not help as the person was not on my server.

Getting kicked for a Cutscene watching is pretty stupid people play games to enjoy the story and it's apart of it, those who kicked you wanted to watch it first time as well and had no problem waitting people just need to relax and rembmer it's a game.

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Originally Posted by dragonflie

You never specified which CS you were looking for. If it's the one that shows the dungeon overview and the boss death, they are viewable if you turn off the Cutscene skip and in the Journal.
If it's the Iceheart CS, then it would only be viewable in the Journal.

Also, I think that usually after a patch, people don't mind CS viewers since it's new content after all, so you didn't even had to skip it out of pressure.

You had no need to be rude.

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Forgive me if I came across as rude, I was just terse. I have explained it before that what I am referring to are the quest cutscenes and not the dungeon ones.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

All cutscenes are in the journal. Just have to look harder. $E kinda made the whole thing messy, check all tabs...

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I will look more carefully, but my first search was quite thorough already... Nevertheless, not much will be lost by me checking again.

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Originally Posted by Dark_Legacy

This is because you filed a report for something that happened to someone else, ...

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It was the same for me, but I did not give up that easily. As I said, I had a conversation with a GM, it was not just one ticket or two. I had them explain to me what vote kick abuse was in SE's opinion, as they mentioned that the case I specified was not considered as such.
The GM told me that it's only vote kick abuse when the purpose of the kick is an attempt to grief someone - kick them to keep them from getting dungeon completion, kick them to keep them from getting loot. Any gameplay related reason, as in - kicking them for being bad, for wanting a speedrun, for not wanting a speedrun, for having bad gear - is fair game. It's not nice, but it is not punishable.

Just a final post on this, I've checked and with certainty I can say that the cutscenes for "The Wrath of Qarn" are not in the journal, so don't skip them!

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Originally Posted by Thig

Just a final post on this, I've checked and with certainty I can say that the cutscenes for "The Wrath of Qarn" are not in the journal, so don't skip them!

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It's not a cutscene for the quest itself. It is watchable if you look for the dungeon under the category "Duties".

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Originally Posted by Thig

Just a final post on this, I've checked and with certainty I can say that the cutscenes for "The Wrath of Qarn" are not in the journal, so don't skip them!

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I just checked and you're right, the cutscenes for The Wrath of Qarn are not there, nor for any dungeon quest except for Tam Tara HM (Corpse Groom).

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Originally Posted by Mholito

It's not a cutscene for the quest itself. It is watchable if you look for the dungeon under the category "Duties".

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Tried this already, not there.

If you are after the snowclak ending CS you should look under story quest cutscenes in your journal - think might be main story specifically not sure if it's split for the patch stuff but should be able to see it there in thespecific quest for it.