ST till my eyes bleed

So new patch, new gear, new class, everything is awesome right!!??

Well, SE may have overlooked one small thing. With the massive nerfs to hunt rewards, there are only 2 ways left in order to get your characters gear lvl up to 110:

1) Second Coil
2) ST

Everyone knows how painful second coil can be, especially for pugs, so this really only leaves one way to get that 110 gear. ST

ST, ST, ST, ST, ST............. what a snoozefest. The lack of pug friendly ways to get sands/oils is really starting to show. I don't know how many more of these I can run. I still need 3 sands and 3 oils to complete my 110 set........

My solution, make sands/oils accessible through either soldiery tomes or as dungeon drops from the 3 new i80 dungeons. noone really cares how long it takes to get to 110 now anyways, so why not reduce the nonsense factor and make it a little easier to get there.

Square won't do that because people would gear up too fast. People already had a chance to gather oils and sands from hunts and then from ST back when they dropped so little.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Square won't do that because people would gear up too fast. People already had a chance to gather oils and sands from hunts and then from ST back when they dropped so little.

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explain exactly why square would even care about how fast people get to 110..... The new poetics are weekly capped and provide ilvl120 gear.... how long it takes to get to 110 is now irrelevant. Might as well make the content less boring and let sands/oils be acquired through other means besides ST as well

because getting served everything on a silver tray is a fun killer and demotivates really quick

because content is content, just because its outdated to you and I, doesn't mean it is for everyone else. What MilesSaintboroguh said was true, if you wanted to gear up through hunts alone, you had your chance at that, and you still can, its just most people (like you and I) take the easiest path, which happens to be ST. No one is forcing you to do ST.

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With the massive nerfs to hunt rewards, there are only 2 ways left in order to get your characters gear lvl up to 110:

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Last I checked, you get the same Soldiery and Allied Seal rewards from hunts as you did before.

You just don't get to roll in Myth tomes while you do it anymore.

110 stuff isnt that important anymores anyways so dont see what the problem is ;/

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

explain exactly why square would even care about how fast people get to 110..... The new poetics are weekly capped and provide ilvl120 gear.... how long it takes to get to 110 is now irrelevant. Might as well make the content less boring and let sands/oils be acquired through other means besides ST as well

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Because people would leave the game when they have done everything. Gear grind exists to keep people occupied and it's serving that purpose. They already took away the weekly cap so you can spam ST all day and farm sand/oil how much easier do they have to make it for people to get stuff? Too easy = boring and that's how a game dies

Forget st just do second coil

My problem isn't doing ST, I have no problem with ST...it's when you get the really incompetent parties that wipe at Scylla...SCYLLA. And when it happens multiple times, you lose hope in the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

My problem isn't doing ST, I have no problem with ST...it's when you get the really incompetent parties that wipe at Scylla...SCYLLA. And when it happens multiple times, you lose hope in the playerbase.

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Clearly you have not done CT lately.

I got all my sands and oils after some 20+ runs (almost capped poetics). It wasn't always smooth sailing mind you but except for the very last two where we had to votekick MT (he was kiting the bosses. KITING) I found the level of play was quite admirable.

It is a very healer-friendly instance and I hardly had to leave CS as a SCH.

I miss ST prepatch. Now its everyone rolling on everything just because they can.

I've run it 30 times and not one sand or oil. Pain.

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Originally Posted by gehrtalert

I miss ST prepatch. Now its everyone rolling on everything just because they can.

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Clearly CT didn't have this problem!

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Clearly you have not done CT lately.

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Last time I did it there was a 2 hour queue, so no, I haven't done it lately.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

Last I checked, you get the same Soldiery and Allied Seal rewards from hunts as you did before.

You just don't get to roll in Myth tomes while you do it anymore.

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This. The Allied Seals are what matter for Sands/Oils and the Hunts still drop Seals at the same rate. Unless you mean that not as many people are doing Hunts so the A/S Ranks are actually a tiny bit of a challenge and not a 30s faceroll for Seals.

My weekend was spent the same way as the OP. Capped my Poetics besides doing the new dungeons on Tuesday. I'm content with i100 pieces, but my main jobs will be getting the upgraded gear. My lesser-played jobs will be content to have ST gear.

110 means absolutely nothing if you're not best in slot, or at least stacking Soldiery and High Allagan gear together in an effort to boost your higher weighed stats. In order to do that, you'd need to complete SCOB anyways, so you might as well do that and get the sands/oils in the process.

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Originally Posted by Cspr_Answrth

110 means absolutely nothing if you're not best in slot, or at least stacking Soldiery and High Allagan gear together in an effort to boost your higher weighed stats. In order to do that, you'd need to complete SCOB anyways, so you might as well do that and get the sands/oils in the process.

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Why would anyone try to achieve iLvl 110 BiS gear, if you could also just go ahead and get your poetics gear?

well for anyone who has all classes unlocked 110 is the achievable immediate goal for all off-classes, and the easiest way to achieve that is st and scob for sure.

poetics will be getting spent on your main class at the rate of 1 item per week/2 weeks. that doesn't help anyone with a ilvl90 drg or mnk or even nin to get to a respectable level.

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Originally Posted by Cspr_Answrth

110 means absolutely nothing if you're not best in slot, or at least stacking Soldiery and High Allagan gear together in an effort to boost your higher weighed stats. In order to do that, you'd need to complete SCOB anyways, so you might as well do that and get the sands/oils in the process.

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You are giving way too much credit to BiS, difference is not that huge. SCoB does not require BiS. It was only after we cleared turn 9 that MNK BiS items deigned to finally drop. Plus we had weeks with exact same drops each week.

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Originally Posted by chidarake

well for anyone who has all classes unlocked 110 is the achievable immediate goal for all off-classes, and the easiest way to achieve that is st and scob for sure.

poetics will be getting spent on your main class at the rate of 1 item per week/2 weeks. that doesn't help anyone with a ilvl90 drg or mnk or even nin to get to a respectable level.

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Everything outside SCoB/FCoB is easily doable in ilvl 90.

It is kind of weird how last patch was very much "catch up" time but now they sort of nerfed it again. I figured Sol would replace Myth in value and it hasn't. It's a bit disappointing. It's also killed Hunts effectively. I suspect Hunts will go through this kind of thing often though. It had its high, now it's low, and then Poe will be added at some point and it'll be high again, rinse and repeat.

Not much incentive for new endgame content when you have to spam SCoB, ST, and hunts for the materials.

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

So new patch, new gear, new class, everything is awesome right!!??

Well, SE may have overlooked one small thing. With the massive nerfs to hunt rewards, there are only 2 ways left in order to get your characters gear lvl up to 110:

1) Second Coil
2) ST

Everyone knows how painful second coil can be, especially for pugs, so this really only leaves one way to get that 110 gear. ST

ST, ST, ST, ST, ST............. what a snoozefest. The lack of pug friendly ways to get sands/oils is really starting to show. I don't know how many more of these I can run. I still need 3 sands and 3 oils to complete my 110 set........

My solution, make sands/oils accessible through either soldiery tomes or as dungeon drops from the 3 new i80 dungeons. noone really cares how long it takes to get to 110 now anyways, so why not reduce the nonsense factor and make it a little easier to get there.

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How about farm t8 for 5-6 min?

I just enjoy the ride of the gear treadmill so I don't have an issue with things taking time in this game. It's easy to heal in ST so I just instant queue as a White Mage and spam cure at people. The only time it isn't fun is when people cause wipes.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Everything outside SCoB/FCoB is easily doable in ilvl 90.

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didn't mean to imply that i90 isn't enough for all that content but its not the max easily achievable goal for alt classes now so most if not all will not settle for i90,

the new respectable level is i109/110 without doing any of coil. and that is what people should be aiming for on their main and alts as time allows.

Gearing up too fast!?!?!!! I just got my 120 WHM head today, barely notice any difference and it only increased by ilvl from 94 to 96, but yet I see several people on Gungnir with their i120 body by the second week...?

This is where my enjoyment of the game becomes trivial, because of the grind, by the time the next patch hits yu do not get to bask in enjoying the current content at your current ilvl, before a whole lot of content makes everything yu have been working towards for 3 months obsolete, not make-do, OBSOLETE. I want to be able to enjoy these new gears in the game's current environment without having to change that plan because there is a race for i135 and yu are left out in the dark as a little i96 noob.