Atma drop rate Post-2.4 patch

Anyone noticed a significant different yet? I've only done like, 1 atma relic, and didn't bother with anymore because of the annoyance with the 1st. If it's better this time around I'll actually get the other 6 Atma relics I need.

Guildie got 3 different atma's in 15 minutes after the update, but who knows if the RNG demon was just playing games.

Yea I'm super curious because I've been getting mixed messages from my FC mates, some were saying they were getting atma every 3 out of 5 fates, others were saying they were getting literally nothing.

Considering original droprates were ~1%, it's going to be quite some time before we get enough data to determine how much they were increased by.

I discussed this with my FC mates yesterday after one of them mentioned getting an Atma crystal on nigh every FATE that they've done. We've discussed the increased drop rate, as were mentioned in the patch notes. Though the rate has been increased, I'm quite sure that it is still possible to not have the favor of the RNG gods and have zero Atma crystals drop after doing tents of FATEs over the span of ten or more hours.

People lose track of time. The original rate was definitely not 1%. Why? Because people think they are completing 50 fates per hour when in reality most people average 10. Yes 10. That's one fate completed every 6 minutes. Traveling from one fate to another will average you 2 minutes, factor in a couple minutes of actual fate time, waiting for new fates to pop, etc. - you average around 10-15 per hour tops.

The average person finished the atma phase in 20-30 hours. If you do the math - it roughly comes out to a 5% drop rate. If it were a 1% drop rate, this thing would be averaging 100 hours for everybody.

The new drop rate seems to be around 15-20%.

Still at the mercy of RNG - they can make it 80% drop rate and you can still hit a dry spell - just ask any experience crafter in this game about RNG and you'll understand that in this game, unless its literally 100%, your forever at the mercy of RNG.

A classic example is Steady Hands II with Hasty Touch, 80% chance to land the touch, yet every once in awhile you'll fail 5 straight at 80%. Just how this game dick's with you.

yeah RNG rules, so some will get them quickly like after 2.4 and some will take a while

Someone in my FC got 8 atma yesterday. So I guess the rates have gone up significantly.

I finally got my 12th atma from my first FATE after patch. Where I had been spending the last month or so, semi AFK doing FATES if they would spawn on me. I would usually end up only doing 4-8 FATES a night.

Kind of off topic - But I noticed they raised the cost of books for the next part of the quest. My friends bought their books at 1,500Myth before patch and now they are 500Sold. When I Exchanged my myth for soldiery I got 500 Soldiery for my 2,000 Mythology so that's a 4 to 1 exchange rate, which means they upped the cost by 25% :/

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

People lose track of time. .

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People who calculate based on time spent on atmas don't know what they are talking about, amount of fates done are more accurate, before patch those unlucky ones usually took around 100 fates per atma, while most people were sitting around 50 fates per atma, and then there were the lucky ones with less than 10 fates per atma.

If you're wondering how do people know they did 100 fates, there's an achievement that keeps track of all fates you do (up to 3000).

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Originally Posted by Enthy

I finally got my 12th atma from my first FATE after patch. Where I had been spending the last month or so, semi AFK doing FATES if they would spawn on me. I would usually end up only doing 4-8 FATES a night.

Kind of off topic - But I noticed they raised the cost of books for the next part of the quest. My friends bought their books at 1,500Myth before patch and now they are 500Sold. When I Exchanged my myth for soldiery I got 500 Soldiery for my 2,000 Mythology so that's a 4 to 1 exchange rate, which means they upped the cost by 25% :/

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The conversion rate is funky. It should have been 50%. When you run roulettes and dungeons that used to give you 100 myth, they now give you 50 soldiery. So in actuality - books are a little cheaper. It's pretty much the equivalent if the book prices dropped from 1,500 myth to 1,000 myth.

I have farmed all 12 Atma since patch hit, I would guess the drop rate is around 10% now. I kept track of how many fates I did and it came out to be 117 for 12 Atma.

Purely anecdotal evidence here, but I got the 7 Atma I was missing in the span of roughly 3 hours.

Probably..I got two of the same atmas while helping a friend in 30 minutes..

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Originally Posted by Enthy

Kind of off topic - But I noticed they raised the cost of books for the next part of the quest. My friends bought their books at 1,500Myth before patch and now they are 500Sold. When I Exchanged my myth for soldiery I got 500 Soldiery for my 2,000 Mythology so that's a 4 to 1 exchange rate, which means they upped the cost by 25% :/

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They are cheaper than they were after 2.2
The soldiery duty reward is now like the myth duty reward was after 2.2. But the books have already cost 1500 myth after 2.2, so with only 500 sold after 2.4 it is cheaper.
Soldiery duty reward will increase again with 2.5, like it was with myth and 2.3

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

People lose track of time. The original rate was definitely not 1%. Why? Because people think they are completing 50 fates per hour when in reality most people average 10. Yes 10. That's one fate completed every 6 minutes...

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People have been using the FATE achievements to track # completed (minus any they had before starting the Atma quest) and then dividing that out from the number of Atma they had, usually 8-12 to deliver a sufficient sample size, to find the % of FATEs that dropped an Atma for them. These rates were averaged out to roughly 1-2%.

The people doing serious data collection on Atmas were not using their imaginations as a test pool.

A guy in my FC got all 12 in about 5 hours. He estimated no more than 120 fates.

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

People lose track of time. The original rate was definitely not 1%. Why? Because people think they are completing 50 fates per hour when in reality most people average 10. Yes 10. That's one fate completed every 6 minutes. Traveling from one fate to another will average you 2 minutes, factor in a couple minutes of actual fate time, waiting for new fates to pop, etc. - you average around 10-15 per hour tops.

The average person finished the atma phase in 20-30 hours. If you do the math - it roughly comes out to a 5% drop rate. If it were a 1% drop rate, this thing would be averaging 100 hours for everybody.

The new drop rate seems to be around 15-20%.

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The original drop rate definitely was around about 1%. There was a lengthy post here on the forums collating data from many many players to get to that number. This is precisely why it was such a problem; 1% meant it was very possible to never see an atma crystal after weeks of farming...

By the sounds of it the new drop rate is more than substantial.

I farmed all 12 atmas my paladin today in 6 - 7 hours or something like that. Before that take over week get full set of atmas.

It took me little over 200 fates to get all 12 atmas on my bard before the patch. Not sure how many might take after patch when do it for ninja but it will still be very much in the hands of the RNG god.

I clocked in over 600 FATES before the patch and got a grand total of 7 atma out of that. I finished the last 5 in about an hour tonight.

Great that everyone else is having success with the update. I spent 40 hrs getting 5 before the patch and another hour with no drops after the patch. So it's equally shit for me...

Before patch it took me 8 straight days of farming 4 hours per day for all 12. After patch, I got all 12 in a little under 3 hours.

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Originally Posted by Krr

People have been using the FATE achievements to track # completed (minus any they had before starting the Atma quest) and then dividing that out from the number of Atma they had, usually 8-12 to deliver a sufficient sample size, to find the % of FATEs that dropped an Atma for them. These rates were averaged out to roughly 1-2%.

The people doing serious data collection on Atmas were not using their imaginations as a test pool.

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like the guy who opened a god knows how many site thread where he seriously stated that he did 3.000 fates during 1 week and got no atma?

Just after the update I managed to get my final 4 in just under an hour. Maybe 50 mins iirc?

Shortly after, I started collecting a new set and got 2 in 45 mins. It's certainly better as far as I've noticed anyways.

I got the 6 I was missing for a set yesterday in about 2 hours - longest run I spent in a zone was 12 fates - rest were all 3-5 fates.

I spent 3 weeks getting 3 in the weeks leading up to 2.4 and in one night I got 4 including 2 atma of the crab within 15 min from helping someone else in a party after already getting mine. I'd say that the increase is significant.

man i spent like 8 hours today in C.shroud and didnt get a drop. so if everyone is getting better drops. I did all low lvl fates though, 4-10 or so on the east side of bentbranch. I dunno if I should do higher level ones for a better rate... im very frustrated at it though.

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Originally Posted by Golds

man i spent like 8 hours today in C.shroud and didnt get a drop. so if everyone is getting better drops. I did all low lvl fates though, 4-10 or so on the east side of bentbranch. I dunno if I should do higher level ones for a better rate... im very frustrated at it though.

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I was told pre patch the drop rates for atma was 2.5%. Post patch they've been increased five fold to 12.5%. Personally I've noticed a much larger increase in chance of atma dropping, but still if you're in the same area for over 2 hours its probably best to move on to a different zone and and try again later.

They do drop way more often now though, truly.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

like the guy who opened a god knows how many site thread where he seriously stated that he did 3.000 fates during 1 week and got no atma?

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The guy who claimed having done 3,000 fates in a week and not having seen an Atma is what we call an 'outlier'. We cull outliers from statistical data.

He also wasn't doing serious data collection.