If you go to sell an item you can also buy from NPC, it will be great you cannot set a price higher than NPC one.
Market board improvements
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10-30-2014, 12:45 AMLalaRuMarket board improvements
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10-30-2014, 01:02 AModie
sometimes people pay for convenience, and some of us would like to profit off of that convenience. the patch notes stated about where the vendors were with the bridesmaid/best man outfits and the emperors new accessories. It sucks if you were one of the people that paid several hundred thousand for it. The NPC sells at a lower price. if you don't like the market board price don't pay it. You have an option.
Some of us are also crafters and gatherers, and we would like to see some profit from the things we make and gather, some of which could also be obtained from NPCs. We provide these things for you so you don't have to track down the NPC. its not fair to us to spend money so you can pay the same price without going to the NPC. -
10-30-2014, 01:07 AMAmenian
If people are unwilling to travel or research where to find something that a vendor sells, that's their problem. Restricting people's ability to sell that item at the going market price, which includes a convenience cost, is asinine.
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10-30-2014, 01:08 AModie....that and we already have to deal with market tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amenian
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10-30-2014, 01:09 AMkidvideoWhy? If you want to buy it from the vendor then go run, tele or airship to the vendor.Quote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
As in real life you can grow your own veggies for pennies (gatherer), pay a little more at a grocery store because someone else did all the work (vendor), or pay even a little bit more at a convenience store because it's closer to your home (marketboard). -
10-30-2014, 01:14 AMLalaRu
So, it isn't that your kind will rip off the player that doesn't knew the item is for sale on NPC, but you are providing a very valuable service because the player hadn't to make a teleport or worse, had also to use a mount for some seconds to get the item, instead. Impressive. Sorry if I got the wrong impression.
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10-30-2014, 01:17 AModieIf you can't take the short amount of time to teleport, use a mount or whatever to pay NPC prices, thats you're deal. I mean, not trying to scam or be mean, but why should I go through any trouble to craft something or go through the trouble for you and not see anything out of it. It's not a charity board.Quote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
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10-30-2014, 01:20 AMNyarukoWThis is not an improvement. You might as well say people should not undercut below NPC prices, so if the NPC sells it, people must sell at NPC prices.... right...Quote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
This totally not how a healthy market should work. Price controls does not work.
The market board is a game in itself, and it is about being empowered through knowledge. There is a transactions history there for you look at too. Make use of that information, learn what the NPCs are selling and you will know when the price is right, too high or too low.
Rip off can happen to both buyer and seller. You are only seeing this from a buyers perspective. There are many lazy seller who don't even look at the vendor price listed on the item and price stuff lower than that all the time. They are getting ripped off because they don't know and are not paying attention. If you set price controls, not only are you destroying the market, you are also taking the fun out of the trading game.Quote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
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10-30-2014, 01:22 AMFornix
It goes both ways at the same time really. Players also purchase overpriced items whilst the vendor is standing right next to the marketboards. Such as low level jewelry, low level crafting/gathering equipment, and a few other items. Literally not even 10 seconds away. That has very little to do with service. Does form an easy income out of those who can't be bothered to check up value of items. And to be fair is not something people ought to feel sorry for players for. It's very easy to check what the value of an item is, for how much it sells, etc. It's not as if third party websites are required in this game. Even the FFXIV lodestone has its own item db which states exactly where items can be found.
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10-30-2014, 01:24 AMkidvideoI'm curious... what is your general understanding of Economics ? Is your local grocery store "ripping you off" because "their kind" charge $1 for an apple?Quote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
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10-30-2014, 01:26 AMTyrn
Baby proofing a game is just sad, let people make mistakes so they learn and don't repeat it, maybe it'll even save them real money if they learn that hastily buying whatever is thrown in their face first might not be the best option.
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10-30-2014, 01:26 AMLalaRu
Oh, well, I know I can put <useless item> on board at 10,000,000 Gil, and if someone buy it, I done legit Gil, right? No RMT involved!
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10-30-2014, 01:28 AModie
I think this thread works better when we explain how the market works and not when we try to see how many pages we can make where we insult them for this. They didn't understand how it works or the value of the market board to us and our enjoyment of the game.
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10-30-2014, 01:29 AMAmenian
To put this in real world terms for you and to show why it's the buyer who is ultimately responsible. I live within 10 miles of the border between my state and another. Gas costs in my state right now are about $2.89/gallon. Gas costs in the state not even 10 miles away are about $2.63/gallon. I choose to pay the higher cost. Why? It's convenient. I know I can get it cheaper elsewhere, and if I didn't the information that I can is easily accessible with a simple google search, yet I still buy it at the higher cost. Take an economics course. One of the very first things you will encounter is opportunity cost, which is all of the non-monetary values associated with a good or service. Convenience IS opportunity cost.
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10-30-2014, 01:29 AMNyarukoWIn the sloppy colloquialism that is imprecise day-to-day language, the fact that a merchant makes a profit selling someone else's product is a rip-off. But that is being blind to the fact that pricing is flexible and it more than just cost (materials + labor).Quote:
Originally Posted by kidvideo
The fact that RMT does impact the market is no justification for price controls. It is irrelevant to this discussion. People that use RMT are not going blow even $1USD on useless items, even if they have more money than brains, they are not that stupid. They value their money more than anyone else actually. Many people put stuff out there for ridiculous prices because it is extra storage, and if it really sells for the ridiculous amount more power to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
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10-30-2014, 01:34 AMkidvideoYes, /sigh, that is a common fallacy born of ignorance & entitlement. There are transportation & storage costs... not to mention rent, electricity & staffing of a business establishment... so many other costs involved. All for a single apple sitting on my desk.Quote:
Originally Posted by NyarukoW
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10-30-2014, 01:47 AMLalaRuUsing market board as an alternative storage is impressive too. But doesn't it being counted as "improper" usage of a game feature?Quote:
Originally Posted by NyarukoW
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10-30-2014, 01:48 AModiei've done it, but also hoped that someone would buy it. i could part with anything for a maxed out gil amount. so technically its for sale? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
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10-30-2014, 02:10 AMShadray
I don't see a problem, I quite often buy things off the MB which I know are available at a vendor, and am happy to pay double the price. The way I see it is I'm paying someone else to to the legwork for me.
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10-30-2014, 02:33 AMzer0patches
Just lookup whatever item you want in the online databases. It will tell you where it can be bought, harvested, craft recipe to make it etc. etc.