Eorzea seems small.....Really it's not that small...but ease of travel makes it seem that way. I was thinking back to other games, and how like in Final Fantasy VII, you would get to a point of no turning back. At least not for a while. Climbing the icy wall and just going up. No going back down now...... After reaching the journey's end, you really felt accomplished. You had to stick it out and just keep pressing forward. So I had a thought.....
Eorzea seems small.....Really it's not that small...but ease of travel makes it seem that way. I was thinking back to other games, and how like in Final Fantasy VII, you would get to a point of no turning back. At least not for a while. Climbing the icy wall and just going up. No going back down now...... After reaching the journey's end, you really felt accomplished. You had to stick it out and just keep pressing forward. So I had a thought.....
What if in the future of FFXIV, we got zones that had conditions for leaving them. Maybe storywise. We'd need to keep moving forward with our goal. I know people probably love the fast traveling everywhere, we've been spoiled for a while. But I would like to see less aetherytes moving forward, and this loss in convenience could leave us vulnerable as we move about possibly giving some really dangerous zone that we can't simply just run to a quiet spot and teleport out of. I don't know...something. I just feel like we get around too easily and we don't stop and appreciate the environment around us in the game. I want that sense of accomplishment for reaching someplace that felt so distant and required effort to get to. Thoughts?
Adding the sense of a larger world with danger
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10-29-2014, 11:50 PModieAdding the sense of a larger world with danger
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10-29-2014, 11:54 PMRecaldy
Heavensward would like to have a word with you.
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10-29-2014, 11:59 PModiewe don't know that much about heavensward yet do we? how do we know its anything like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Recaldy
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10-30-2014, 12:01 AMItaruKarin
I really don't like the idea of being stuck in a zone like you propose. But I do agree that Aetheryte fast travel remove the thrill of travelling and exploring. I guess the fact that the game is split in many instance instead of just being one big world could be part of the reason why, but I did like traveling by foot, before unlocking all the aetheryte.
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10-30-2014, 12:04 AMGhastly
What I see is that mobs loose aggro too easily. If only they could really engage you without letting you go, that would solve a lot of the ease of traveling through places.
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10-30-2014, 12:08 AMkyuvenNO!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
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As someone who came from games where mobs NEVER leashed, let me just say that mob leashing is making the best of a bad situation.
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10-30-2014, 12:16 AMGhastly:DQuote:
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But I mean more like they would cast slow on on you so you can't run away as fast. -
10-30-2014, 12:18 AModiemost of them do, heavy is annoying, but it really is just that. it doesn't seem dangerous....i want to have to really think about traversing through the area before i do it. i'm not afraid of any place in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
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10-30-2014, 12:34 AMKalleraI hate leashing in this game. Its far too short a range for this game and is not varied in its application to open world mobs. I'd rather have the open world contain a variety of mob behaviors. Make some leash and others not, with some more with a provoke or draw-in, and perhaps a few that use a distraction/status effect to run away.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuven
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10-30-2014, 12:45 AModie
what about mobs that didn't have such simple attacks, but could behave more like dungeon bosses or primals?
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10-30-2014, 12:50 AMGarlyle
One thing that's been brought up before that's pretty related: They could pretty easily make the world of Eorzea more dangerous, but it would be pointless without reward as well. Right now there isn't a lot to be gained by wandering the world and exploring other than the knowledge you went and saw the things. (Which okay XIV does have some pretty locations but still)
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10-30-2014, 12:56 AMTeirshin
If you want things to feel "dangerous", go back to the original system used in EverQuest.
If you die, your gear drops at that spot and you are ported to your home point and have to get back to that spot while naked.
Granted, with 15+ gearsets in FFXIV its still only a minor annoyance, unless they also lock you out of changing classes or gear until you get the dropped set back.
Of course, modern MMO players would never accept such a change, they might want it to feel dangerous, but not at the risk of actually losing anything..... :rolleyes:
Pretty sad though that I can make a new character and walk it to Mor Dhona without it getting killed once. -
10-30-2014, 12:58 AModie
i don't think there needs to be a reward....but the world just seems too easily traveled. i'd love to have to brave through a forest full of stuff that could tear my character to bits if i'm not careful. i don't see why everything needs rewards attached to it though
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10-30-2014, 01:03 AMRocco
The problem I have with the game is that it's too closed off, too many invisible walls, and zone lines every where. Would have love a seamless world, but I'm guessing due to PS3 limitations they had to do it like this.
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10-30-2014, 01:11 AMShougunThey said that they made the first overworld easy because they didn't think a large part of their player base was accustomed to mmos and didnt want to scare them away, and that in Heavensward players will be used to it a bit more - so they would like to add a bit more danger to the world. One example was leaving your keyboard to get a drink and turning back around to find you died. How they do that could be by a number of ways though.Quote:
Originally Posted by odie
Would also like to see a bit more danger to the overworld, and more natural transportation with less emphasis on instant descaling transportation (teleports, but I'm not saying 45 FFXI minutes more or less like WoWs 25seconds-5 minutes depending on the distance)*. Anima system in 1.0 was nice because you 'could' fast travel but you'd attempt to measure it out, would have been nice to mix that with some other system (where is my working thanalan train ;_;?). Also talking about overworld, add some AI back - that was really great to watch and be a part of "oh what the, who cured me? /shout thanks!" *looks around some more, sees snurble staring up at you* "C-c-camate?".
But again, the expansion seems to address the scale and danger feeling - won't be like FFXI but I hope at least on par to WoW. The world (WoW) was open and did have short travel times (longer than FFXIV's), most monsters were easy like FFXIV's but there were a couple that'd wreck you (NMs and Elites) - FFXIV's NMs are now non-aggressive and there are no elite monsters so not comparable, that and world pvp added a bit of edge but FFXIV won't have that... I think.
tl;dr, it appears the devs have made some changes to the expansion areas to have more of this essence but still won't be as punishing as FFXI
*Could get some long travel times if you use a flight path from one side to the other, but with some forethought you generally stayed below those long times and the occasional time you didn't it just reminded you how big the area was. -
10-30-2014, 01:23 AMRayneBoemir
World of Warcraft had a huge machine traveling the landscape when burning crusade came out however if they add something like this they would need to add it to all the zones and not the same mob. Anything else like heavy effects or mobs that don't leash back are an annoyance.
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10-30-2014, 01:32 AMMageBlack
The impression I got from the interviews and such for Heavensward was the area is going to be MUCH larger. There is a big emphasis on flying mounts and I took from that to mean that we would need to fly from island to island, leaving teleport points for major cities instead of every camp or group. This will require you to be using your mounts more. These are previously unpopulated areas so there wont be the types of camps we see in the Eorzea areas we have now, we are essentially the pilgrims exploring NA. As for the danger part, I cant really say much to that. Little was revealed about mobs or behavior and the trailer they showed us of the flying mount looked like a test area and I didnt see any mobs and the islands they landed on were not that large. I can only assume that there will be much larger stretches of land.
Things I am curious about regarding Heavensward are Flying Mobs? Will they be flying between islands? Will they agro? Will it knock you out of the air? Will it cast "heavy" on you as they follow you to land? Will you be able to battle in the air? (I would love intense aerial battles!) Lots of potential, lots of questions. I'm sure they have not even shown us the best parts of 3.0 yet, they will be saving some surprises for December's FanFest. I'm getting really stoked for this expansion! and we still have the Golden Saucer to be released as well as content coming to that with the expansion. -
10-30-2014, 01:34 AMRocco
Are the new areas in the x-pac seamless? I've heard from some people they're not zoned like they are now?
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10-30-2014, 01:40 AMShougunO_o if you fall, do you fall to your doom? That'd would make battles near the edges of islands fairly intense, specially if they had knockback abilities.. xD. Dark and Demon Souls stair fighting ftw lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MageBlack
Imo it would make sense to have flying monsters but I wonder if they will give you any defense to them, Chocobo Scorpion kick to the dragon's face for 1 second combination blitz to praying to the twelve and sprinting. Also bit of an aside but for the December holiday.. Chocobo Sleigh in the sky? :P
Expansion has me pretty excited too, and the Golden Saucer with Chocobo Racing? Farewell job, farewell world - you've been kind but I need to feed, breed, and race my Chocobo now. -
10-30-2014, 01:55 AMMageBlackReally hoping for mounted combat!Quote:
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10-30-2014, 09:27 AMRoccoBumping this.Quote:
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10-30-2014, 10:11 AMKata
<3 ease of travel; if you're in a hurry to get someplace or have limited playtime then the accessibility is a bonus. Just because you can tele virtually everywhere doesn't mean you have to. With the introduction of flying mounts (heck any mount that tickles your fancy) you have the ability to take your time and be engrossed in the journey with your character. Let's call it taking a leisurely Sunday stroll.
On the flipside I do wish for more baddies as evil fearsome roaming death machines. I miss the 1.0 "sacrifice play" with a party member playing martyr for the good of the group to get to the desired location. Wanderer's Shadow is still my fav achievement. Shows how badass I was at walking past crabby crabs and booking it like a bat out of hell near wyverns :p -
10-30-2014, 02:40 PMViolyre
I find the idea of making travel more difficult absurd.
Less Aethyrites? I could go for at least one more in Coerthas and the zone with Camp Bronze Lake.
Adding fake difficulty by adding mobs only there to be hard? I found that dumb in WoW, and I feel the same here. People would do anything to get around the obstacles to not have to deal with pointless death.
They could add in an Easy Travel and Hard Travel mode. Hard travel has less Aethyrites, and a bonus of level 90 mobs going around the zone (I know that wouldn't be practical for the server though.). Easy mode would be like it is now.
I'd only agree to less Aethyrites if chocobos were added to more camps, and they let you go to any zone from any zone (I don't mind the ride from Gridania to Aleport. Gives me time to do something else.). -
10-30-2014, 04:26 PMSylveAt the same time, it does make the world feel more like a 'world'. I mean really, if you needed to be a badass Primal murdering adventurer just to travel between city states, the average NPC citizen would need a small army just to leave home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
Thats kind of an 'RP' point of view i guess (I don't RP at all) but really, Its not that bad. Having roadways that are not frequented by monsters is fine. I'll guarantee you kept to the middle of the roads and sprinted if something looked at you.