Dark Knight= No base class?

They may not say it outright till we are closer to expansion release, but I think they are going to abolish classes and stick with Jobs. I know there will be people that will say " Why did they just put in ROG then for Ninja?"

Well Expansions are where most major changes occurs (Battle system changes/UI/systems etc. So the reason why they are sticking to class/job with NIN is probably because they are not able to do that yet ( get rid of the class system entirely in just a patch). So the "ROG" could simply be temporary.

The DRK Job not having any class attached to it just seems to me that they are abolishing the class system. It be totally strange to have half the jobs have classes and others strictly jobs.

If they 100% do this, I will be all for it (we use our jobs mostly anyways).

Well you're right.

http://kotaku.com/flying-mounts-dark...1650748127/all

The Dark Knight is a tank class, wielding a two-handed sword and the power of dark magic. Unlike other more advanced jobs in the game, the Dark Knight has no prerequisite — one the player purchases Heavensward, they can be a Dark Knight. 2

If they abolish classes completely, I wonder what they're going to do with SMN and SCH. Without a shared class between the two, there is no reason for them to share all but 5 skills, which means they will probably heavily edit one of the two. It's also for this reason that I expect them to not completely abolish the system, just not make any new classes once 3.0 drops.

I look forward to seeing how they will handle this. I without a doubt do not thing they will remove the armory system, but a classless job does raise a few concerns considering job stones we're implemented as simple horizontal growth. GLA, MRD, or LNC could have easily houses this as a class. My question is how can we switch to the job without a class. Obviously Greatswords need to be implemented, but weapons are a part of armory. I really would be happy with a Great sword class, or GLA finally getting 2hnd swords as an alternative to sword and shield. If they were willing to take daggers off of GLA, I wonder how far they will go. Darn you SE and your subtleties.

It is a Advance Job so no class required but if Yoshi-P follows on his original plan for Advance Jobs player will be required to obtain 2 certain Jobs to unlock Dark Knight before they can access it.

They won't be removing Class system since they have set the lore for the classes in the game already.

I won't be surprised if Dark Knight will require Players to complete the lvl 50 Paladin Job Quest and lvl 50 Warrior Job Quest just to unlock Dark Knight.

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

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Well, I expect that there will be an overhaul/replacement of the Armory system, and go with a entirely different system. Heck, I wouldn't rule out Sub Jobs. Subjobs are "kinda" like the Armory system. The only difference is, is that you can't pick and choose the subclasses you want on your job on FFXIV. There is quite a lot they could do if they are to abolish the class system.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

It is a Advance Job so no class required but if Yoshi-P follows on his original plan for Advance Jobs player will be required to obtain 2 certain Jobs to unlock Dark Knight before they can access it.

They won't be removing Class system since they have set the lore for the classes in the game already.

I won't be surprised if Dark Knight will require Players to complete the lvl 50 Paladin Job Quest and lvl 50 Warrior Job Quest just to unlock Dark Knight.

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http://kotaku.com/flying-mounts-dark...1650748127/all

"The Dark Knight is a tank class, wielding a two-handed sword and the power of dark magic. Unlike other more advanced jobs in the game, the Dark Knight has no prerequisite — one the player purchases Heavensward, they can be a Dark Knight."

If they really wanted to they could work it into the lore. ( To get rid of classes). Like, alot of time has past since the defeat of (Final boss), people are studying on their jobs, and people are less and less going to train under the class instructor, because the Job instructors have alot more to offer than classes and Job Instructors can teach basic Technics as well.

If they wanted to get rid of this system, there would be no Rogue coming>
I guess they try to diversify

I'm more concerned over how support skills will work. At lower levels, those skills can be crucial to have, and as we all know jobs are highly restricted in what they can use compared to base classes. For example, I deteste tanking on WAR at anything lower than level 30 (no HP+, no heal+, no defense) , but as a MRD I don't mind as much since I have bonus skills to help out (Second Wind, Convalescence, Flash, Provoke..).

Since DRK is going to be a tank *shudder* hopefully it will get a few more cross-class skills than your average job.

Unlike other more advanced jobs in the game, the Dark Knight has no prerequisite — one the player purchases Heavensward, they can be a Dark Knight.

This can be interpreted as the OP suggests, that there won't be a class for the Drk job.

However, I see this meaning it won't have a prerequisite like the other jobs, where as you had to have another specific job leveled to 15. Instead Drk doesn't require that to unlock the quest to become a Dark Knight, you can unlock Dark Knight right as soon as you finish installing the update. That is what the text reads like to me. There very well can still be a class associated with Dark Knight from 1-30.

Edit: Nevermind. I just saw the other thread that had this image.
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...ey-d8428qb.png

So.. yeah, no base class. Okay.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

If they abolish classes completely, I wonder what they're going to do with SMN and SCH. Without a shared class between the two, there is no reason for them to share all but 5 skills, which means they will probably heavily edit one of the two. It's also for this reason that I expect them to not completely abolish the system, just not make any new classes once 3.0 drops.

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One class is going to get butchered. Let's flip a coin and see which camp of players have to completely relearn their class.

Just because DRK won't have a base class doesn't mean they will be doing away with the class system.

I assume they are going to go the following route:

1. Singular jobs that don't require a soul crystal and share no abilities, but lack advancement. Requires less work to level up (no requirements)
2. Class -> job entities that allow for multiple jobs to branch off of classes, allowing for specialization as well as shared abilities. Requires more work to level up and more freedom of build (certain class and/or job level requirements).

SE can make both systems work alongside each other.

I wonder if this means for advanced jobs they might let you branch out with different weapons for different setups. In DRK's case they could have 2 handed sword for a defensive setup and a scythe for an offensive setup there fore giving it different ways to play the same job.

They could get rid of the soul stone as a slot idea. Thus... once you finish your lancer quests you go do the first dragoon quest. Which makes you a dragoon... forever.

The toughest would be sch/smn; however they could put a preliminary quest in there where the marauder npc (sch quest line) and the smn npc (smn line) get in to an arguement... they both invite you to come with them for more information which then unlocks smn/sch. They could also each give you a book. One for sch and one for smn. That way when you switch jobs you can use the book.

Ideally though they need to make it so changing jobs isn't based off the weapon you have equipped but some other thing. Like a job crystarium where you open it up hover of the job you want to change and boom... your now ___.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

They could get rid of the soul stone as a slot idea. Thus... once you finish your lancer quests you go do the first dragoon quest. Which makes you a dragoon... forever.

The toughest would be sch/smn; however they could put a preliminary quest in there where the marauder npc (sch quest line) and the smn npc (smn line) get in to an arguement... they both invite you to come with them for more information which then unlocks smn/sch. They could also each give you a book. One for sch and one for smn. That way when you switch jobs you can use the book.

Ideally though they need to make it so changing jobs isn't based off the weapon you have equipped but some other thing. Like a job crystarium where you open it up hover of the job you want to change and boom... your now ___.

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Or they'll just give Dark Knight a soulstone and keep the system in place.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

I wonder if this means for advanced jobs they might let you branch out with different weapons for different setups. In DRK's case they could have 2 handed sword for a defensive setup and a scythe for an offensive setup there fore giving it different ways to play the same job.

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In a game where you can easily switch jobs there's no need to give specs to jobs. Don't count on it.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

In a game where you can easily switch jobs there's no need to give specs to jobs. Don't count on it.

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this... personally i consider my "class" to be an adventurer, i mean every1 calls u that, and the "jobs" are my specs/skill trees

From another thread. Fits here too.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

I don't think they will be removed from the game. Existing classes will still... exist. But being as they are not including a class for Dark Knight, it may very well be that from 3.0 onward future Jobs will not have a class.

Or they may add new classes when they feel the need for new cross class abilities to be necessary.

But judging from their approach to Dark Knight, I think they will likely not be adding any new classes after 3.0.

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Originally Posted by ZReport

Or they'll just give Dark Knight a soulstone and keep the system in place.

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There had to be a reason why they chose no class for dark knight though. This is what is getting many people thinking that we will eventually "get rid of" classes. Like sure they may exist... as a entry but getting rid of the soul stone in an item slot would eventually be a good thing. Why do we need to get some "cross class skills" when usually more than half are useless. May as well get job unique ones so we don't look derpy using internal release while holding an axe.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

From another thread. Fits here too.

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My thoughts exactly. They realized the problems with the armoury/class system. For each Job to be unique they needed to make a new Class. So if expansion had 3 new jobs, that's 3 new classes. It's easier going forward to just implement Jobs. The Class system is tied into the 3 City States, this can easily mean the future of classes is to stay in the past. It's ugly but it's the most viable option. Dark Knight is it's own Job, Samurai it's own Job, etc etc. People want to be the Iconic FF Jobs, not the silly lesser named Classes they have to play until level 30 so they can be the Job. Chances are we're seeing a newly revamped cross class system or the entire do-away-with of it, instead of it being a unique system it was crazy limited it what skills we could cross class so here to the future of opening up everything.

I think it would be more sensible with what others have already said.

That is; keep the current class/job system as it is but just introduce anything new from 3.0 as a stand alone job without a class prerequisite. Simply level 1-60 as a Dark Knight.

Trying to overhaul and change the entire system could just lead to more trouble and bugs than it would be worth. I eventually got tired of trying to keep up with all the changes in WoW.

I too have the feeling that they are going to get rid of the class system (wonder what will happen to DoH and DoL then), or get as far away from it as possible. The introduction of jobs in he first place was a step towards this, what I don't know is if that's the way Yoshi want to do things, why didn't he just did on ARR release.

But if classes are going to stay and they'll add more in the future (I guess we'll know in Dec 20), that the other possibility is that DRK will be like what Death knights were in WoW, some special job that starts at a higher lvl, to encourage new players to jump right into the game on the expansion and have a lvl 50 job to o play with their friends, and a Tank no less, so then alter on when they are already hooked they can go to the old content and unlock all classes and level up 1-60.

I'm thinking you'll need to have at least PLD and WAR to 50 to unlock Dark Knight.

Thank the lord.

The ancient class system was a relic of a system that didn't pan out and clung to the job system draging it down. Hopefully each Job in the game can now be unique and not be tied to a handfull of skills that make it different.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

I'm thinking you'll need to have at least PLD and WAR to 50 to unlock Dark Knight.

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There are no requirements to play dark knight except for buying the expansion.

I think whats happening is

no base class means it has no class, for example rogue/archer/marauder etc..

all of the skills that would of been class skills are turned into job skills.

and possibly they could either give drk cross class equivalent skills for the rest or give it cross class skills like normal jobs.

and while theres no prereq to getting drk, similiar to sub jobs in xi you should try to obtain all skills that drk is able to use if they go cross class skills route.

Personally, I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that if and when Red Mage gets implemented, it won't have a prerequisite class either. I think that would be the easiest way to put it in, TBH.

I think that a major overhaul of the class/Job system is inevitable at some point down the road in any case...

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Originally Posted by AspectOfWinter

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It up to how far they want to push things so players start playing Tank Roles and Healer roles more.

Worst case is that they may go crazy with the new Stand Alone Jobs idea and release a bunch of new Tanks into the game with SAM being one of the Tanks. (and maybe Gunblade Job as a Tank as well due to Gunblade users Tankish appearance so far in FF14)

or they can balance things out and release 1 tank, 1 DD, and 1 Healer per new Job release during 3.X era and beyond.

I'd freaking love it if Heavensward comes with a retool of the battle system, where all classes go away for good.

I don't think they will have a total removal of the class system. Its just that new jobs in 3.0 will not have classes but so they don't have to go back and retool all the old class/jobs they will keep the old system for the other jobs.

Basically
3.0+ job = no class
2.X job = has a class

I am not particularly bothered if they get rid of classes or not. I must admit, I do see them as a rather needles requirement. As long as DRK still gets a story, then I will be happy.

If they are introducing agent like they teased at with the london fan fest. Some people are complaining because its a gun using healer(which is also teased) But whats to stop them from going back to the musketeer route and making it lead into Agent and another dps focused gun class? Much like arcanist leads to summoner and scholar.

They don't have to get rid of or stop making classes at all, especially when they can offshoot new job from it. Sometimes though they can just make the jobs like with DRK

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I think it's odd people are upset a healer would use a gun, some people just straight up saying it's something that never happens.

Alchemist in FFX-2, medic in TF-2, gunners in Monster Hunter, Roland from Borderlands, Sharla in Xenoblade.

But nah, healers with guns never happen.