please remove 4 and 8 man min req for raids

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08-07-2011, 01:58 AM
Irondude

please remove 4 and 8 man min req for raids

Please remove the minimum level requirement for the raids.

I do not know the reasoning behind having a minimum, but it keeps me from logging in every time I think about having to wait to get a party together to enjoy the new content. Give full parties a party bonus or incentive to come together to do raid content (the main one i can think of is actually beating the raid), but don't make 6-7 people wait around for an hour with a search function that's overly complex (ever heard of an ALL category) to find additional people. the shout traffic in Ul'dah alone will cut in half.
08-07-2011, 02:01 AM
SuzakuCMX

"Please remove the minimum level requirements for the raids."

No.

Also, no to removing minimum. Don't want R50's solo-ing through the R25 dungeon and taking spots, don't want R30s whining about how it's too hard to solo ("BUT THEY WON'T" yes they will), don't want solo groups to take up space because there's a limited number of instances the server can handle.
08-07-2011, 02:18 AM
TonyMontana

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

"Please remove the minimum level requirements for the raids."

No.

Also, no to removing minimum. Don't want R50's solo-ing through the R25 dungeon and taking spots, don't want R30s whining about how it's too hard to solo ("BUT THEY WON'T" yes they will), don't want solo groups to take up space because there's a limited number of instances the server can handle.

Why are our instances filling up so easily other games I have played would let you lowman/solo dungeons and almost never had issues with the dungeon being full. Why is SE having trouble with this?
08-07-2011, 02:20 AM
Catapult

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

"Please remove the minimum level requirements for the raids."

No.

Also, no to removing minimum. Don't want R50's solo-ing through the R25 dungeon and taking spots, don't want R30s whining about how it's too hard to solo ("BUT THEY WON'T" yes they will), don't want solo groups to take up space because there's a limited number of instances the server can handle.

This.

The instanced raids have been specifically balanced with parties of 4 or 8 as applicable in mind. If they were to lift that concept, they would no longer have the restraining parameters in which to create these environments, which is what leads to a more favorable design-environment.
If people could solo it, they'd also have to make it solo-able, which would defeat the purpose of having it the way it is.
08-07-2011, 02:22 AM
SuzakuCMX

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

Why are our instances filling up so easily other games I have played would let you lowman/solo dungeons and almost never had issues with the dungeon being full. Why is SE having trouble with this?

Other games I see have more than 2 instances to spread the population between.
08-07-2011, 02:26 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

Why are our instances filling up so easily other games I have played would let you lowman/solo dungeons and almost never had issues with the dungeon being full. Why is SE having trouble with this?

Because its SE.... They have trouble tying their own shoelace.
08-07-2011, 02:39 AM
Fated

Yea, the problem right now is that there are only two dungeons.

I don't think it'd matter much for the R25 because most people don't even run it anymore, but the R45 would end up with some major que times.
08-07-2011, 02:42 AM
Xenor

I agree they should be lowered somewhat but not much. You can beat the R50 dungeon with 7 fine, 6 possibly for a great group. But any lower is going to be a bit too much I'd think. So require a minimum of 6 for that one. The R30 dungeon is irrelevant, it was fail from the moment SE decided rank 50s can enter without being capped at 30.
08-07-2011, 06:16 AM
TonyMontana

Make it where light parties (4-7) can enter. Some people might just wanna low man the mobs for SP, im pretty sure thats supposed to be one of the purposes of the dungeon.
08-07-2011, 06:30 AM
zaviermhigo

Most other games don't like unity and grouping, so its understandable to have these requirements. SE doesn't have Blizzard money, people need to stop acting like they do. Blizzard can always buy a new server to plop their load on, even if there game is currently losing subs rapidly. Now they're going to have sanctioned rmting, its hard to compare a company with so much evil money to a regular gaming company. The only other company that has that kind of money is EA, and thats why SWTOR is a wow clone with a SW skin. If you're game doesn't look like wow you can't attract the masses who play mmos for three months and then hop to a new one lol, and then you also don't make as much money, you can't advertise as much, and then you can't buy as great or as many servers. We actually run this game on multiple servers now almost like what WoW does, but we jut don't have the sheer numbers of servers it takes. This game is also more tasking on servers than most mmos are, so the average mmo (not even wow here just most) can make tons of instances due to how low quality their graphics are. So yes we're stuck with limited instances, due to the company, but if it also fosters grouping a little more i'll take it. I'd like new servers eventually down the road. No reason to solo dungeons, no reason to solo this game. Go watch anime, half of them the reoccurring theme is working together, its kind of a overarching theme is japanese culture as they are collectivist. I know its hard to grasp that for some people, that they're are cultures of people who readily like to help each other.
08-07-2011, 06:35 AM
Crica

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

I know its hard to grasp that for some people, that they're are cultures of people who readily like to help each other.

If you like to help others then you will help others as long as there is an option to do so.

What does that have to do with players who prefer to solo having the option to do so?

Having the option to solo is not going to take away the option to party...
08-07-2011, 06:47 AM
TonyMontana

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

Most other games don't like unity and grouping, so its understandable to have these requirements. SE doesn't have Blizzard money, people need to stop acting like they do. Blizzard can always buy a new server to plop their load on, even if there game is currently losing subs rapidly. Now they're going to have sanctioned rmting, its hard to compare a company with so much evil money to a regular gaming company. The only other company that has that kind of money is EA, and thats why SWTOR is a wow clone with a SW skin. If you're game doesn't look like wow you can't attract the masses who play mmos for three months and then hop to a new one lol, and then you also don't make as much money, you can't advertise as much, and then you can't buy as great or as many servers. We actually run this game on multiple servers now almost like what WoW does, but we jut don't have the sheer numbers of servers it takes. This game is also more tasking on servers than most mmos are, so the average mmo (not even wow here just most) can make tons of instances due to how low quality their graphics are. So yes we're stuck with limited instances, due to the company, but if it also fosters grouping a little more i'll take it. I'd like new servers eventually down the road. No reason to solo dungeons, no reason to solo this game. Go watch anime, half of them the reoccurring theme is working together, its kind of a overarching theme is japanese culture as they are collectivist. I know its hard to grasp that for some people, that they're are cultures of people who readily like to help each other.

Stock holders conference call has them still over 11 million subs, I think it was like 11.4 miilion which would put them at nearly 88% of their highest subscription total. Over half a year into an expansion only being down 12ish % from your highest sub number ever isnt to bad. I wouldnt use the word rapidly when I decribe how they are losing subs. Its more of the normal ups and downs they have seen since late 2006.
08-07-2011, 06:53 AM
Preypacer

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Originally Posted by viion

Because its SE.... They have trouble tying their own shoelace.

Yeah... Huge company. Highly successful. One of the few developers in the world who are in the position of being entirely self-funded and don't rely on outside investors. Several hit game series, including one of the most popular in the world.. A major publisher as well.

But you're right...

They're totally incompetent because they make decisions that certain people disagree with. They couldn't even tie their own shoe-lace.

Of course.

I swear, the amount of ignorant vitriol spewed on these forums sometimes by some people is beyond pathetic.

If they're so incompetent to you, then why are you still around, other than to troll their forums?

Better yet... Instead of spouting off nonsense like you know what the hell you're talking about, perhaps you and the other know-it-alls on this forum (Neptune and co.) could go get yourselves organized and create a MMO of your own, since you all apparently have so much more wisdom and knowledge in how to "correctly" create a MMORPG. Go for it.

Show us how much more "competent" you are than SE in making a game.