Please set fights up to always require two tanks. Eliminate the possibility of solo-tank methods altogether. Solo-tanking certain encounters, while duo-tanking other makes building a static near impossible.
As it currently stands, bringing two tanks for T6 and T7 is your best bet, but bringing one tank for T8 and T9 is your best bet. This means that an 8-man static must find a person that can play a tank role half of the time, and a DPS the other half. As someone who plays solely tank jobs, this is a huge issue. With most groups only needing a single tank for an entire static, finding a full-time tank spot is all but impossible.
Please SE, solidify the need for 2 tanks in future encounters.
A plea to SE about future raids.
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10-18-2014, 01:26 PMRaxionA plea to SE about future raids.
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10-18-2014, 01:31 PMNestama
Or, better yet, maybe more than one difficult raid every 6 months?
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10-18-2014, 01:31 PMJohnMccain
But who said you have to do it the 1 tank way?
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10-18-2014, 01:42 PMRaxionPlayers are going to take the path of least resistance. If going single-tank is the easiest way to beat an encounter, than that's how people are going to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnMccain
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10-18-2014, 01:57 PMCynricYes but if it's a static group it shouldn't be a problem running two tanks. Unless of course you lack so much dps you need 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raxion
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10-18-2014, 02:03 PMPArcher
Honestly, in a game like this (with the ability to switch roles and gear/level everything) you should have two roles able to play, if not all three (four if you split mDPS and rDPS).
At the very least, this allows flexibility (like with solo tanking or healing parties) or you can join if the slots for your role are full.
I also feel playing multiple roles allows you to be better at your primary role; for example, many tanks have no idea what melee positionals are and why they need to keep mobs/bosses still, but after playing a melee they (should) understand it.
Now, SE is trying to keep both tanks occupied; so far the only thing that generally works is tank swapping...and to have that every fight can be...boring. So they do try to mix it up (hard hitting adds, high-damage mechanics, etc) but even then those don't always get players to push for two tanks. However, even tank swapping doesn't always do it (I've solo tanked Titan EX several times, and know its possible to solo-tank Ramuh EX with 3 heals. I've also heard of solo tank/heal T6, and solo tank T7. Does it normally require overgearing or a strategy change? Yes. So there is that). Raven's Blight in T9 is supposed to be a tank swap mechanic...as is Infirmary (Death Sentence debuff) in T5. T8 the OT is supposed to be grabbing the Dreads and dealing with mines (otherwise Field wouldn't ignore #2 in aggro, AKA the OT) and probably Brainjack/Homing as well.
Fact is, tanks are in short supply. So players are always trying to lessen the need for them. Is that a good thing? IMO, not really. -
10-18-2014, 02:05 PMRaxionIt's not really a matter of it being a problem. It's the fact that most groups simply refuse to bring two tanks for those fights. When's the last time you saw a group duo-tank T8?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynric
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10-18-2014, 02:09 PMPArcherLast night actually...I didn't switch for T8 so I didn't have to switch back for Savage 9Quote:
Originally Posted by Raxion
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10-18-2014, 02:12 PMCynricMy group runs duo tank, we have a few reasons for this, 1) We have 2 melees pushing high DPS so no reason for 1 more, 2)Things happen, having a second tank makes recovering a run much safer and easier,3) We have a second tank so why not use him as a tank?Content is designed for 2 tanks after all as things are and I personally could care less for the path of least resistance. I'm probably the wrong person to ask with that in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raxion
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10-18-2014, 02:18 PMLum
I'm ok with being able to bring one or two tanks to certain fights but the the issue is it takes months to be able to gear a second job with the current system. There's no reason to be able to play n9 jobs when you ca only gear 2-3 tops in a 6 month period. Why do you think so many people play alts? Maybe this is intentional so more people will pay for character slots?
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10-18-2014, 02:57 PMmero-ix
I've always done T9 with two tanks. Having a back-up tank in the last phase has saved us more than once.
But I agree. If people can't push properly with 4 dps then the dps need to step-up their game, not make their tank level a dps class to carry them along. -
10-18-2014, 02:59 PMZenaku
Simple FFXIV is a game you level more then one job. Then have one of your tank level up a DPS and gear them out. I myself play SMN as my main but for turn 8 i just go BLM due to it being a boring standing around fight.
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10-18-2014, 03:07 PMCynricThis is my line of thinking as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mero-ix
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10-18-2014, 05:17 PMDuelleMore like "multiple bosses in one raid instead of single corridor leading to boss".Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestama
It'd be a different story is turns 6-9 were continuous. That would force the raid comp to adjust and prepare with the whole raid in mind rather than switching jobs between turns. That way fights that require multiple tanks and fights that require one main tank can exist without forcing raid members to do things they don't want to do.
To give a practical example, if you have a raid with 6 bosses and 3 of the fights required multiple tanks, your raid would have to make their group comp with that in mind instead of making people switch between bosses. Which means even the encounters that don't require multiple tanks would have the "extra" tanks doing pseudo DPS. -
10-18-2014, 05:53 PMSapphicSame with us, and OT uses DPS accessories and does some respectable damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by mero-ix
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10-18-2014, 06:07 PMNestamaThat works, too. Though there does need to be more than just one difficult raid every six months (especially since it has a weekly lockout. If a group is good and they finish all Turns on the day lockout is reset... yeah).Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
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10-18-2014, 08:04 PMCanadaneMy group duo-tanks it every week. A PLD OT in shield oath can put out quite a lot of damage if you've got a WAR MT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raxion
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10-18-2014, 08:06 PMEdliI think he was talking about pugs. Of course if you have your own group you're not going to tell your friend to bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
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10-18-2014, 08:14 PMsaeedaisspecial
If you're going to demand that SE makes double tank a requirement for every fight, then please request more interesting tank mechanics along with it.
Every fight being some combination of adds or tank swapping debuffs is incredibly stale. -
10-18-2014, 08:31 PMGrotesque
Duo tanking T8 leads to:
- lol Dread
- lol Mines
- lol Rocket
- lol Brainjack
T8 is much easier and safer with two tanks than one. T9 same, two tanks makes golems and heavensfall a breeze. Given your dds should do their job properly. -
10-18-2014, 09:10 PMSinisterIsBackWe use and have been using 2 tanks in t8/t9 since first clear months ago, don't speak for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raxion
another note for you, level a dps job.... -
10-18-2014, 11:32 PMHavenchild
I'm part of those player groups that one tank all of second coil, granted after heavy gearing is factored in. However, in my server, I say I prefer the opposite since we have a strong lack of end-game tanks overall. Finding a solid tank without a static is a nightmare.
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10-18-2014, 11:38 PMSapphicTry one tanking savage turns 8 and 9 XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Raxion